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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Ed Hawkins
 


On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:48 AM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.
Here is a link to a model photo:

                    

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

Bob,
I covered all of these cars in RP CYC Volume 27. Per the caption on page 92, SHPX 25472 was one of 45 cars in series 25433-25477 built in 1948 and leased to the Kimberly-Clark Corporation (photo of SHPX 24448 shown as an example). 

Westvaco Chemical Division leased SHPX 25478-25480, 3 cars built 9-50 painted black with white stencils per the photo of SHPX 25478 shown on page 93. It should be noted these cars were of a different roof/hatch arrangement with Murphy twin-panel welded roofs and equally-spaced square hatches. So the Bowser model has a correct paint scheme on a car of a different roof/hatch configuration. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Super Glue

thetrainman00@...
 

I was in need of more "super glue" and I remebered this posting.  I did purchse some of the gel and was very much impreesed by it.  I have to agrre with you it has become my "new" favorite glue for all my model building.

Happy Model Railroading,
J.E. Krapf


Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Allen Montgomery
 

I finally found a proto photo of their cars in a UP book. Of course it was an engine shot, so you can only see two thirds of the hopper in the back ground(no reporting marks). It too was grey.
There was a Westvaco plant was 25 miles west of Green River,Wyoming. My Grandfather was the manager of the Tri-state lumber yard in Green River from the late 40's through the 50's. Dad used to help make deliveries of lumber all over southwestern Wyoming when not in school. He distinctly remembers delivering some of the first truckloads of lumber to Westvaco around 1952. Before that there wasn't much out there. He says that most of their production went to the midwest for automobile glass, as is still the case today. So if you can track down the glass manufacturers for Ford, there's your destination.
Allen Montgomery
Wyoming Division Historical Society



On Monday, July 20, 2015 10:19 AM, "'Paul Koehler' koehlers@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bob:
 
I recall seeing many “Westvaco” covered hoppers in LA but they were grey not black.
 
Paul C. Koehler
 

From: STMFC@... [mailto: STMFC@... ]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:49 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division
 
 
In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.
 
Here is a link to a model photo:
                       
 
The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).
 
My questions are:
 
  1. Did Westvaco have prototype covered hoppers such as the model?
  2. Where would the prototype cars have been seen?
 
Thank you.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



Re: B&O Modeler

hayden_tom@...
 

Ed,   Try clicking on the Feb 20, 2006 link.   That worked for me,

Tom Hayden 


Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Koehler wrote:

 
I recall seeing many “Westvaco” covered hoppers in LA but they were grey not black.


      Didn't InterMountain offer their square-hatch car in gray with the Westvaco decoration?

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

Paul Koehler
 

Bob:

 

I recall seeing many “Westvaco” covered hoppers in LA but they were grey not black.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:49 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

 

 

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.

 

Here is a link to a model photo:

                       

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BOW-55821-25472-2.jpg

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

 

My questions are:

 

  1. Did Westvaco have prototype covered hoppers such as the model?
  2. Where would the prototype cars have been seen?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: B&O Modeler

mwbauers
 

Thank you for posting this link.

It worked very well for me once I explored the earlier dates of the archive.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jul 20, 2015, at 6:14 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


Never fear folks -- the WAYBACK machine can get you the issues you missed.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.borhs.org/modelermag/index.html


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Re: Stock car identity sought

Richard Townsend
 

I agree. Thanks to both of you.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2015 9:07 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Stock car identity sought

 


Doug I think you nailed it -- the UP S-40-14

>Richard, that sounds like a UP stockcar. I have a photo of UP 48975 with a 4/5 end, 12 slats made of a metal channel, the angle braces and the truss as you describe. The car was built in 1952.
>
>Doug Harding


Re: B&O Modeler

Edward
 

I tried that link.

The Web Crawler notice there last visited the B&O Modeler page on Feb 3 2015.

Clicking on that date leads to a page not found notice.


I also had an article submitted to the B&O Modeler in July 2012. It was about building an O scale model of B&O diner 1035.  The article materials became lost and in December 2014 I was asked I could replace them, which I did. This article was to appear in a later 2015 issue. 


Mention of this diner was made in the last issue of the B&O Modeler, as it had been seen at a prototype modelers meet at Malvern PA.


I was asked if I built it, (I did) but an incorrect class designation was given for it. I was advised this error would be corrected when my article about the model was to appear.


Ed Bommer


Covered Hopper - Westvaco Chemical Division

thecitrusbelt@...
 

In HO scale Bowser offers a 70-ton covered hopper, kit # 55821, decorated for the Westvaco Chemical Division of the Food Machinery & Chemical Corporation. The reporting marks are SHPX 25472.

 

Here is a link to a model photo:

                       

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BOW-55821-25472-2.jpg

 

The Westvaco Chemical Corporation became a division of FMC after it was purchased in 1948. Westvaco produced chlorine and caustic soda used to produce organic insecticides and pesticides and had huge deposits of phosphorus (used in synthetic detergents) and trona (used to make glass and other products).

 

My questions are:

 

  1. Did Westvaco have prototype covered hoppers such as the model?
  2. Where would the prototype cars have been seen?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Stock car identity sought

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug I think you nailed it -- the UP S-40-14

Richard, that sounds like a UP stockcar. I have a photo of UP 48975 with a 4/5 end, 12 slats made of a metal channel, the angle braces and the truss as you describe. The car was built in 1952.

Doug Harding


Re: NYC train consists

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote :

I suppose another way of looking at it is this:  were the meaning of the car initials matched someplace by a the same name on a locomotive? If yes, don’t consolidate them with their parent roadname; If no, think about the specific issues for a while.

 

Dave Nelson

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The best source for determination of this might be the ORER. In any given issue, each road's listing will state in the header, "Cars of this company are marked..." and will list all the reporting marks then in use by that road. This automatically adjusts for fallen flags, as the road will continue to list the old mark as long as they still have cars that have not been re-lettered.


Dennis Storzek


Re: B&O Modeler

Tim O'Connor
 

Never fear folks -- the WAYBACK machine can get you the issues you missed.

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.borhs.org/modelermag/index.html


Tim O'Connor


Re: NYC train consists

Scott H. Haycock
 

Something I've noticed as I go through these consists is, every box car listed as "merchandise" has a 10 ton load weight. Considering that almost all of the other box cars have a more specific description of their lading, would it be safe to assume that these cars carry l.c.l. loads? Is the 10 ton listing just a shortcut to actually weighing these cars, as the nature of l.c.l. would almost never approach the load limit of the car? 

Scott Haycock




Re: Algoma Central boxcar

Walter Cox
 

With apologies to the list, I would like to correct some incorrect information in my previous email concerning Algoma Central box car no. 2901. I originally counted the end ribs from a faded sketch and later located a model of the original GTW car and discovered that the end panels were actually 7/2/8. Sorry for the error. Walt
 
 

In a message dated 7/15/2015 2:48:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, WaltGCox@... writes:
Hi Lester,
A. C. 2901 was originally a Grand Trunk Western 1921 series single sheathed boxcar rebuilt by GTW in 1937. It was later damaged and written off while on A .C. rails.  A. C. kept the car and repaired it. The GTW rebuild had   given it new steel 10' 4" sides so the Athearn length and height are ok and                        
the roof should be ok as GTW switched to raised panel roofs halfway through a previous rebuild.
 The 2/5/7 ends, the fishbelly underframe and the end sill projection along the bottom of the sides would all be missing from the Athearn model. 2901 was obviously one of a kind and I believe it was A. C'.s only steel boxcar for quite some time.
I hope this helps, Walt
 
 

 



Re: NYC train consists

richard haave
 

Milw may be "High" due to their part ownership (with NYC and CNW) of IHB.


Dick Haave


Re: NYC train consists

Dave Nelson
 

It’s been so long I don’t recall exactly what rule Tim and I followed.  I do know I always recorded the car initial and not the corporate name.   I always recorded the initials in the book as-is and later on entered a second column with what I thought the initials meant.  More than a few times I came to realize early conclusions could be wrong).

 

What I was always trying to do is cull out the excess result of cars that might be sitting around somewhere in protective service – that is to say not circulating in the national pool – that could get a load at any time, as well as purely local traffic.  To do that I suspect I did not ever consolidate by corporate identity when I was aware that the “sub-road” reported to the ICC on their own – so if I could see that, oh, the P&LE did their own reporting to ICC I would not have considered a consolidation of PLE with NYC, but looking instead at the Cincinnati Northern… weren’t they gone as a legal entity by 1948? Might the reported cars in this list simply be wandering souls not yet redeemed and repainted?  If so then adding their numbers into NYC is an arguable case.

 

I suppose another way of looking at it is this:  were the meaning of the car initials matched someplace by a the same name on a locomotive? If yes, don’t consolidate them with their parent roadname; If no, think about the specific issues for a while.

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 7:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC train consists

 




Dave,

 

I noticed a few car listings on your data that are NYC System affiliates; PLE, BA, CCCSTL, CNOR, MC, and PMKY. These account for 20 cars but I'm uncertain how much independence these lines had at the time of these lists. I had thought the CNOR and CCCSTL were fully merged into the NYCS. 



I guess this becomes a question of where do you draw the line. 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 


Re: NYC train consists

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Thanks,

Cyril Durrenberger
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On Sun, 7/19/15, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@att.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC train consists
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2015, 8:50 PM


 









IIRC it was a tiny bit below 23% Cyril.



Given the NYC was so big it is certainly plausible that
variation away from

that number would occur elsewhere. ... again, IIRC the ICC
data averaged out

at around 20-21% across all roads.



Dave Nelson



-----Original Message-----

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]


Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:32 PM

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC train consists



Thanks for doing this. I would like to see the percent from
NYC as that

would give us the amount from the home road.



Cyril Durrenberger



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Re: NYC train consists

Eric Hansmann
 

Dave,

I noticed a few car listings on your data that are NYC System affiliates; PLE, BA, CCCSTL, CNOR, MC, and PMKY. These account for 20 cars but I'm uncertain how much independence these lines had at the time of these lists. I had thought the CNOR and CCCSTL were fully merged into the NYCS. 

I guess this becomes a question of where do you draw the line. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jul 19, 2015, at 7:50 PM, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

IIRC it was a tiny bit below 23% Cyril.  

Given the NYC was so big it is certainly plausible that variation away from
that number would occur elsewhere. ... again, IIRC the ICC data averaged out
at around 20-21% across all roads.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC train consists

Thanks for doing this.  I would like to see the percent from NYC as that
would give us the amount from the home road.

Cyril Durrenberger


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Re: NYC train consists

Dave Nelson
 

IIRC it was a tiny bit below 23% Cyril.

Given the NYC was so big it is certainly plausible that variation away from
that number would occur elsewhere. ... again, IIRC the ICC data averaged out
at around 20-21% across all roads.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:32 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC train consists

Thanks for doing this. I would like to see the percent from NYC as that
would give us the amount from the home road.

Cyril Durrenberger


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