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Re: Roundhouse 40' wood reefer

Mark Mathu
 

Thanks.  I wasn't sure if there was some other reefer in Roundhouse's old line, or if perhaps Athearn picked up some other wood reefer tooling somewhere along the way.


---In STMFC@..., <markstation01@...> wrote :

Yes it's the old Athearn blue box, MDC roundhouse didn't make a 40' reefer and if it were a new model I'm sure Athearn would have announced it



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Re: Roundhouse 40' wood reefer

markstation01 <markstation01@...>
 

Yes it's the old Athearn blue box, MDC roundhouse didn't make a 40' reefer and if it were a new model I'm sure Athearn would have announced it



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Re: Roundhouse 40' wood reefer

Staffan Ehnbom
 

How can you tell? The "pictures" are so scetchy nowadays one can't see what they are.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 3:30 PM, 'Mark Mathu' mark@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Athearn/Roundhouse has a 40' wood refrigerator car with steel ends in their
product line. This appears to be the old Athearn blue box wood reefer
tooling. Is that assumption correct?
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=RND85627
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Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay Wis.



Roundhouse 40' wood reefer

Mark Mathu
 

Athearn/Roundhouse has a 40' wood refrigerator car with steel ends in their
product line. This appears to be the old Athearn blue box wood reefer
tooling. Is that assumption correct?
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=RND85627
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Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay Wis.


Re: Kadee ACF 11,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car

John Barry
 

Jon,

My clock ran four years longer than yours, but still stopped short of Tangent's Acid Car.  With a planned on-line chemical plant (Dow, Pittsburg, CA) and off-line chemical industries in the area, acid tanks are relevant to my operating scheme.  The pressure tanks present a different visual signature to the liquid tanks with expansion domes that are needed for my traffic mix.  The profile of the Tangent acid tank works, even if it is "too new".  I bought a dozen that will stand in for period acid tanks, a much more realistic solution than more type 21s and 27s.  I will de-accession them when a suitable period car is available in affordable (time and $$) quantities.  

Getting back to the subject line, I've learned that the Kadee car isn't "right" to backdate to my era by applying rivets.  I may still acquire a few as stand ins to increase the visual diversity of the tank car fleet.  


 
John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights

707-490-9696

PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736


From: "Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Kadee ACF 11,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car

 

On 7/24/2015 6:42 AM, randy@... [STMFC] wrote:

I love freight cars. And there are a lot of rare cars that I can legitimately run on the layout, just not all at once.

    Which is why I will buy are good quality cars that fit my era.  Sales will depend on how much I like the cars but I will usually buy at least two.  But if's it's for the Santa Fe the amount will be much higher, IM cabooses (I only need a few but I have at least 10 IM steel ones), Walthers wood ones (same), IM stock cars (same), IM Caswells (a bunch), Athearn reefers (2), etc.
    While I have a few resin Bx-3/6 and Bx-11/12/13 it would break my bank account if they came out in plastic, of the quality of IM and Tangent or who else would equal same.
    And while the Tangent acid tank car is great, the date has eliminated it.  None of these comments are in regards to how a manufacture would fair on making said cars they just reflect my buying.

--
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For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: Spencer Kellogg & Sons tank car

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 7/24/2015 8:11 PM, abrown@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Where'd they ship to? (Florida?)


All over the country. Spencer Kellogg and Sons was one of the largest producers of linseed oil, the basis of paint for the first half of the 20th century. They also produced tung oil, and coconut oil products, livestock feed, and even castor oil. Anything vegetable in a liquid form came out of SK&S plants.  Listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and acquired by Textron in 1961.

Spen Kellogg


Re: Spencer Kellogg & Sons tank car

al_brown03
 

Where'd they ship to? (Florida?)


Best,


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.



Re: Spencer Kellogg & Sons tank car

Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...>
 

On 7/24/2015 11:09 AM, salotti.steve@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

Hello,


I'm in the research stages of a clinic and am trying to find out about the above companies tank car fleet in 1949.  I have the reprint 1953 car owner registry book (OK, the correct name escapes me at the moment and I'm not at home) which does not list Spencer Kellogg at all.  There in a Spencer Chemical Company, but their owned cars do not come at all close to the cars I have at home in number series.  They do show in a register from 1917 but again totally different cars types and numbers.  The cars I have  are from Athearn (bogus, I know), plus several of the cars that I believe were made by Intermountain or Branchline numbered in the low 200.


Does anyone have a book pre 1949 that lists Spencer Kellogg and if so what type car and what number series were the cars.  Spencer Kellogg had plants in both Buffalo and Edgewater New Jersey and were a large producer of Linseed and other oils.


Steve,   

As Ed Hawkins noted in his reply to you, Spencer Kellogg and Sons was leasing their fleet in 1949. Ed gave the reporting marks as GATC. I think this is a typo, as I have a slide of GATX18919 taken in July 1960 (I think). As best as I can determine the entire fleet was sold during WWII, presumably all to GATX, as the company was still growing at that time. I have prints and/or photocopies of SKX361 (single dome AC&F Type 27 car built in 1937), SKX352 (triple dome AC&F Type 27 also built 1937), SKX231 (single dome car, build date about 1925), SKX131 (single dome car build date about 1923), SKX245 (three dome car converted from single dome car, original build date 1928), SKX211 (single dome car, build date about 1924), and SKX65 (10,000 gal. MCB Class II car built 1907, photo in Al Westerfield collection).

I also have photocopies of several ORERs from 1903 up to Jan. 1943, which suggests the fleet was sold in 1943 or 1944. The roster reported in 1943 (if I counted correctly) was 146 cars. The capacities were from 6,000 gals. to 10,000 gals (45,000 to 75,000 pounds).

Incidentally SK&S had 8 processing plants, Bellevue, Ohio; Buffalo, NY; Chicago, Illinois; Decatur, Illinois; Des Moines, Iowa; Edgewater, NJ; Long Beach, California; and Minneapolis, Minnesota. Each site had elevators, and there were also elevators in Superior, Wisconsin. Aerial photos of Chicago, Minneapolis, and Bellevue show tank cars on sidings. Early record indicate that tank cars were assigned to Buffalo, Edgewater, and Minneapolis. There is a small booklet titled "Laboratory Letters," written by Dr. Alexander Schwarcman, chief chemist for the company. The Fourth Edition, sometimes found on eBay and published in 1949 is the most comprehensive. It mostly deals with the products and their chemistry, but it does contain some information about the company's history.

I would be interested in getting a copy of your clinic material, when it is complete.

Spen Kellogg



Re: Southern Boxcar Aluminum Monogram

George Eichelberger
 

David:

Great question!

We know the first version of the SR monogram (to put on freight cars) was drawn in 1938. There simply was no monogram prior to that. In fact, there were no new cars prior to the first all-steel 40 double door auto box cars from MtVCCo in 1935 for many years. Those were delivered with “AUTOMOBILE” stenciled on the side of the car where the monogram would be placed after it was drawn. (See the ’41 Cyc for a photo.)

Then there are older cars! Although no SR drawings show the monogram on SUF box cars, a Bob’s Photo print of SUF double door auto box car 375146 includes the second version of the monogram drawn in 1941. Either the company decided to put it on those cars (not documented but many remained in service until the late 1950s) or Hayne Shop applied it as normal box car practice to shopped cars. (The 36’ SUF cars would have received very little attention when steel car deliveries got started.)

One of my all-time favorite photos is of Sou NW-2 DS-2201 at Inman Yard about 1940 pulling a 36’ SUF boxcar wearing the 1938 version of the monogram. It appears to be stenciled in aluminum. The car is short so the 60 inch monogram looks huge.

Ike

PS The 60 inch monogram on the first SR diesel switch engines was exactly the same as on the box cars. It was changed to 24” in response to a letter from one of the paint shop foreman explaining how difficult it was to apply the stencil on top of all those louvers.


Re: Placarding the Atlas & Kadee tank cars

Guy Wilber
 

Bill wrote,

"Please, what would be the appropriate Placard Decals for the Atlas & Kadee 11K tank cars?"

The Propane and Anhydrous Ammonia placards are featured on Kadee's photo display of their new car beautiful new model.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: Duryea underframe detail parts?

Schleigh Mike
 

Speedwitch P107 is a Duryea underframe kit for the B&O M-(hyphen req'd)26D/E RC boxcar conversions.

Regards----Mike Schleigh



On Friday, July 24, 2015 7:36 PM, "tangentscalemodels@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
---In STMFC@..., wrote :

"Building an HO model of D&RGW 67771, a 1946 Pressed Steel Car 40' XM, starting with a C&BT Shops 12- panel kit I've had in the heap since the kit was introduced. (snip)

Does anyone make HO detail parts reprenting the draft gear ends of a Duryea cushioned underframe? I know that the centersill and thus the crossbearers are deeper to accomodate the sliding sill. Any thought on modeling that short of scratchbuilding the underframe? Not that scratchbuilding is out of the question, but I'm a slow worker...."

Scott, I think that UF matches the parts that Tangent Scale Models offers here (the last two part sprues in the list) http://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product-category/parts-bethlehem-70-ton-riveted-drop-end-gondola/

The Tangent parts were designed from the late 1930s-era Duryea plan as they were applied to the Bethlehem 70-ton gondolas built for B&O and RDG.
 
David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models




 



Re: Duryea underframe detail parts?

Tangent Scale Models
 

---In STMFC@..., <blindog@...> wrote :

"Building an HO model of D&RGW 67771, a 1946 Pressed Steel Car 40' XM, starting with a C&BT Shops 12- panel kit I've had in the heap since the kit was introduced. (snip)

Does anyone make HO detail parts reprenting the draft gear ends of a Duryea cushioned underframe? I know that the centersill and thus the crossbearers are deeper to accomodate the sliding sill. Any thought on modeling that short of scratchbuilding the underframe? Not that scratchbuilding is out of the question, but I'm a slow worker...."

Scott, I think that UF matches the parts that Tangent Scale Models offers here (the last two part sprues in the list) http://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product-category/parts-bethlehem-70-ton-riveted-drop-end-gondola/


The Tangent parts were designed from the late 1930s-era Duryea plan as they were applied to the Bethlehem 70-ton gondolas built for B&O and RDG.

 

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models




 


Re: Placarding the Atlas & Kadee tank cars

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

 
Please, what would be the appropriate Placard Decals for the Atlas & Kadee 11K tank cars?

   From a GATC manual: anhydrous ammonia, Compressed Gas; chlorine, ditto; LPG, Flammable Gas

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Re: Duryea underframe detail parts?

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Sunshine also made parts, although I don't know what they were for."

- RI 145800-145999 and 147549-147749 ("MK.7"; "stock numbers" are Jim Hayes' cataloging)

- CMO - Duryea underframe, 4/4 ends, decals for postwar AAR boxcar ("MK.8")

CMO 37500-38298 10'6" IH boxcar ("MK.26")

- The Duryea underframes cited by Tim:


Ben Hom




Re: Duryea underframe detail parts?

Tony Thompson
 

Jeff Aley wrote:

 
               To the best of my recollection, Richard Hendrickson (who was a professor of linguistics) used the 1st pronunciation.


       Correct. He always said "Dur-yay."


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Re: P&LE 46' Gondola #45470

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott Haycock asked:
"This is an interesting gondola. Anyone know whether it started out as a flatcar? What model might be a good starting point to build one of these?"



P&LE 45000-45999, Lot 326-G built by Standard Steel Car Co. in 1916 as a composite gon, later rebuilt with steel sides.

As for a model, nothing close.  Looks like a scratchbuild/scratchbash using styrene and Archer rivets, unless you want to use a 50 ft flat as a base and live with the difference between that and the 48 ft 4 in length over strikers of the prototype.


Ben Hom 


Placarding the Atlas & Kadee tank cars

Bill Welch
 

Please, what would be the appropriate Placard Decals for the Atlas & Kadee 11K tank cars?


Bill Welch

 


Re: Duryea underframe detail parts?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Scott,

 

               Google is your friend.  Try googling “Duryea Cushion Underframe”.  You’ll find the Patent (w/ drawings).  You’ll also find a nice drawing (as applied to a flat car, IIRC) on the steamerafreightcars website.  [I note that the “all time list” does not list the car series you are modeling.]  You’ll also find the instructions for the Sunshine kit that Tim mentioned.

 

               To the best of my recollection, Richard Hendrickson (who was a professor of linguistics) used the 1st pronounciation.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Duryea underframe detail parts?

 

 

Scott Chatfield wrote

  > First, how do you pronounce Duryea?

Durr-yay?
some say this is right
Durr-yee-ah? some say this is right
Durr-yee? nobody says that's right :-)

  > Does anyone make HO detail parts reprenting the draft gear ends of a
  > Duryea cushioned underframe?

Problem is, there's more than one iteration. Joe Pennington made a nice set
of resin parts for 1937 AAR box cars (e.g. Frisco). Sunshine also made parts,
although I don't know what they were for. The version found on Santa Fe 50 ft
ice reefers looks very different (to me) than either of the box car versions,
or maybe it's just another iteration.

  > It looks like a Duryea centersill is made of two C-beams that are held to
  > the floor by small flanges. Where is the cushioning unit itself?

No idea.

Tim O'


Re: fleet composition (was Kadee ACF 11,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car)

Armand Premo
 

    I don't believe the study included Canadian cars which would really impact especially northern tier road consists.Armand Premo

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: fleet composition (was Kadee ACF 11,000 Gallon Insulated Tank Car)

 


 > I must agree with Dan Holbrook’s comment about people using percentages
 > of car types for anything.
 > Ike

Ike

I don't think that's exactly what Dan meant. Dave Nelson and Tim Gilbert
spent quite a lot of time on BOX CAR distribution research and found that
on almost all class 1 railroads in the STMFC era, the percentages followed
the ORER fleet sizes pretty closely -- excepting home road cars, which are
almost always a higher percentage than their share of the national fleet.
XM box cars in the STMFC era, in other words, were "free roaming" and went
just about anywhere and everywhere.

For other car types, it's a much different story. We've been over this ground
many times. I've got over 100 saved emails from Tim Gilbert on this subject
alone.

Tim O'Connor

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P&LE 46' Gondola #45470

Scott H. Haycock
 

This is an interesting gondola. Anyone know whether it started out as a flatcar? What model might be a good starting point to build one of these?

Pittsburgh & Lake Erie P&LE 45470 46' steel gondola 6x10 photo


Scott Haycock 

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