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Re: freight car shops

Benjamin Hom
 

Tom Baker asked:
"I am trying to find out where the following railroads would have their car repair shops:

1. M K T

2. MN&S

3. ERIE

​4. CNJ

The information will aid in the creation of some S-scale decal sets.  The larger roads cited most likely had more than one location, but one will do."
 
Tom, do you need this for scale marks for reweigh data?  Don't fall into the model railroader trap that the reweigh date is the "shop date"!
 
If you look in the group files section, there's an excel file with scale locations and abbreviations compiled from inputs from the group membership.  It should have what you're looking for.
 
 
Ben Hom


freight car shops

Thomas Baker
 

Group:


I am trying to find out where the following railroads would have their car repair shops:


1.  M K T


2.  MN&S


3.  ERIE


​4. CNJ


The information will aid in the creation of some S-scale decal sets.  The larger roads cited most likely had more than one location, but one will do.


Tom Baker



Re: 1954 and 1955 Tank car action on the NP

al_brown03
 

Yep, and everybody wants to make it clear that it's *someone else* who doesn't understand! If the oil isn't bunching at Glendive or Staples, the finger seems to point to Mandan. :-)

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: 1954 and 1955 Tank car action on the NP

Bruce Smith
 

Jim,

They are there now, and I can now see why you thought that they were so interesting - I completely agree!  It is a great vignette of the trials of railroad traffic management.  The actual traffic appears to have been between 10 and 20 cars a day, which I would term “modest" and the refinery appears to have been able to unload 13 cars a day.  Really, this is what will be called, in the future, Just in Time delivery… only the letters make it pretty clear that it isn’t working very well!  These are not “oil trains” but blocks of cars of crude that are being handled in the NP’s regular arranged freight schedule as tonnage allows and just as clearly, not everybody seems to understand the orders to expedite the cars.

thanks for posting the letters!
  

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jul 30, 2015, at 12:28 PM, jcdworkingonthenp@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Bruce,

 I checked the folder and you had a right to complain, it was empty and I just re-reloaded the images.

If they are not found now, please tell me. I had checked after loading them Tuesday evening as I had just gotten the permissions signed off and they were there.    Sorry guys. 

   Second - Why do I find this significant?  Because the letters show a decently large movement of crude in 1954/1955 from Montana to a refinery in Wrenshall, MN.  Quite a bit after pipelines were put in place. The original poster(?) I believe had asked about tank car movements after pipelines were in place and I have found a few. Hope to post more.

   And - these tank cars are GATX, not the UTLX that I have been purchasing as I can for a Roseville, MN to Wrenshall movement.  Rich Ramirez had commented on this traffic (Roseport to Wrenshall) to me also and I think he is a m! ember here.

Photos of the NP Carlton yard seem to always show some tank cars.  Carlton, MN is a few miles west of the former refinery (which was closed in 1960's).

Look also at the photos Aaron Gjermanson has posted in the photo section (under Aaron's handle of npin53). 

Lots of tank cars there. Mandan, ND yard if I am correct Aaron? 

Of Frank's response. Beats me! I asked him to expand on that and he just smiled.   Of Frank, he is working to get an ISP to his new home so I hope he rejoins us.     

                                                            !                                      Jim Dick - Roseville, MN. 


Re: 1954 and 1955 Tank car action on the NP

np328
 

Bruce,

   I checked the folder and you had a right to complain, it was empty and I just re-reloaded the images.

If they are not found now, please tell me. I had checked after loading them Tuesday evening as I had just gotten the permissions signed off and they were there.    Sorry guys.


   Second - Why do I find this significant?  Because the letters show a decently large movement of crude in 1954/1955 from Montana to a refinery in Wrenshall, MN.  Quite a bit after pipelines were put in place. The original poster(?) I believe had asked about tank car movements after pipelines were in place and I have found a few. Hope to post more.


   And - these tank cars are GATX, not the UTLX that I have been purchasing as I can for a Roseville, MN to Wrenshall movement.  Rich Ramirez had commented on this traffic (Roseport to Wrenshall) to me also and I think he is a member here.

Photos of the NP Carlton yard seem to always show some tank cars.  Carlton, MN is a few miles west of the former refinery (which was closed in 1960's).


Look also at the photos Aaron Gjermanson has posted in the photo section (under Aaron's handle of npin53). 

Lots of tank cars there. Mandan, ND yard if I am correct Aaron?


Of Frank's response. Beats me! I asked him to expand on that and he just smiled.   Of Frank, he is working to get an ISP to his new home so I hope he rejoins us.     

                                                                                                 Jim Dick - Roseville, MN.


Re: NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?

bill stanton
 

thanks andy...


what I'm really trying to get at more broadly is the operational use of the stock pens at the B yard and at Colton...




From: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 9:33 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?
 
 

Hello Bill,

I don't know about LA itself, unless this was handled in the stockyards south of the central industrial district. However, one of the main reasons the UP began running the Daylight Live Stock (DLS) trains was to eliminate Las Vegas as a stock-watering stop.

So long,

Andy


Re: NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hello Bill,

I don't know about LA itself, unless this was handled in the stockyards south of the central industrial district. However, one of the main reasons the UP began running the Daylight Live Stock (DLS) trains was to eliminate Las Vegas as a stock-watering stop.

So long,

Andy


Re: Warpage of Resin Castings (was Virtual RPM Meet?)

Pierre Oliver
 

For the most part, no. But in some cases, yes.
In my experience,(almost 2000 models built), flat cast kits that warped and were then flattened tend to stay flat if assembled straight away. With one major caveat, there are some cast sides out there that have cupped or dished. They can be very challenging to flatten and will return to the undesired shape. It seems to be an issue with the type of resin used.
There are a few one piece body castings out there that will never be able to be corrected. They are a certain vintage of passenger body� castings and flat car castings. There seems to be a stability issue with the thin sides and very thick roofs or floors. Again , I believe it's an issue of the material used for the casting.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 7/30/15 10:16 AM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] wrote:

�

Once the warpage is corrected and after the model has been built....... Do some models warp eventually again???

Mike Bauers


> On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:39 AM, "Andy Carlson wrote:
>
> Though JP's post seems to be a BCC to this group, resin casting warpage is certainly a common problem among STMFC'ers.



Re: Warpage of Resin Castings (was Virtual RPM Meet?)

mwbauers
 

Thank you,

I have some rather warped kits I’ve not built and this possible later warping was a concern.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:30 AM, tyesac wrote:


Mike,
 
I've only built around 150 - 200 of them, and so far, I haven't seen that warpage problem reappear.  That includes some of the early resin kits made from the metal filled dark grey resin and a few cast in the early yeloowish aluminite resin.
 
 
Tom Casey


Re: Warpage of Resin Castings (was Virtual RPM Meet?)

tyesac@...
 

Mike,
 
I've only built around 150 - 200 of them, and so far, I haven't seen that warpage problem reappear.  That includes some of the early resin kits made from the metal filled dark grey resin and a few cast in the early yeloowish aluminite resin.
 
 
Tom Casey
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2015 9:43 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Warpage of Resin Castings (was Virtual RPM Meet?)

 
Once the warpage is corrected and after the model has been built....... Do some models warp eventually again???

Mike Bauers


> On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:39 AM, "Andy Carlson wrote:
>
> Though JP's post seems to be a BCC to this group, resin casting warpage is certainly a common problem among STMFC'ers.


Re: Warpage of Resin Castings (was Virtual RPM Meet?)

mwbauers
 

Once the warpage is corrected and after the model has been built....... Do some models warp eventually again???

Mike Bauers

On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:39 AM, "Andy Carlson wrote:

Though JP's post seems to be a BCC to this group, resin casting warpage is certainly a common problem among STMFC'ers.


Re: ART ALTERNATE LETTERING SCHEME

Charlie Duckworth
 

Yes, we'll get an announcement out when we get a delivery date from InterMountain.  We (ARM/MPHS) are doing two cars the original ART scheme and the 1951 scheme.  Both runs will have six different numbers.  

Charlie Duckworth


Re: ART ALTERNATE LETTERING SCHEME

WaltGCox@...
 

Does this mean that a new run of the MPSH ART cars is on the horizon?
Walt
 

In a message dated 7/29/2015 4:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Contact MPHS art decals should be arriving soon.  

Mask Island Decals is offering these sets to them

Hubert Mask


On Jul 29, 2015, at 3:48 PM, billnlargo@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Oddballs?  Tom Stoltz did a lot of MP stuff, including almost a dozen different ART reefer configurations...

Regards,
Bill Adam


Re: NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?

Bill Vaughn
 

Did Yermo have a feeding lot?

Bill Vaughn



On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:56 PM, "bill stanton bill_stanton60@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
does anyone know where incoming UP trains with stock cars would usually rest and water stock?

San Bernardino B yard? Colton? East LA.?

(I'm assuming Las Vegas would customarily be the prior stop for watering).

For that matter, what about eastbound trains? Were they fed and watered to start with in East LA?, Colton?, San Bernardino?

Any info much appreciated

(My time frame is late forties, approximately)

thanks
bill



From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?
 
 
53085 and 82833 arrived Oct. 5 loaded with horses for Clyde Miller in Pico. From Brockway, MT, on the UP, fed and watered at Vegas the night before.
83361 arrived Oct 6 with more horses for Clyde Miller, from Circle, MT, fed and watered at Vegas the night before on the UP.
83750 arrived Oct. 8 with steers for George Hastkings in National City. From Dixon, MT, fed and watered at Vegas the night before.
 
 
__________________________________________________
J. Stephen Sandifer
Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ
Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society
 
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:01 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?
 
 
do you have any indication of what trains and/or railroads (UP?,ATSF?) brought these into San Bernardino?
 

From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:38 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?
 
 
I have records of 263 cars that were unloaded at the San Bernardino feeding station of the ATSF in October/November 1945. Included in that were 4 NP cars:
 
53085 and 82833 arrived Oct. 5 loaded with horses for Clyde Miller in Pico.
83361 arrived Oct 6 with more horses for Clyde Miller
83750 arrived Oct. 8 with steers for George Hastkings in National City.
 
This does not answer your 1947 question.
__________________________________________________
J. Stephen Sandifer
Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ
Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society
 
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 11:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?
 
 
Were Northern Pacific stock cars ever seen in the Los Angeles area circa 1947-48?



Re: NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?

bill stanton
 

does anyone know where incoming UP trains with stock cars would usually rest and water stock?


San Bernardino B yard? Colton? East LA.?


(I'm assuming Las Vegas would customarily be the prior stop for watering).


For that matter, what about eastbound trains? Were they fed and watered to start with in East LA?, Colton?, San Bernardino?


Any info much appreciated


(My time frame is late forties, approximately)


thanks

bill




From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?
 
 

53085 and 82833 arrived Oct. 5 loaded with horses for Clyde Miller in Pico. From Brockway, MT, on the UP, fed and watered at Vegas the night before.

83361 arrived Oct 6 with more horses for Clyde Miller, from Circle, MT, fed and watered at Vegas the night before on the UP.

83750 arrived Oct. 8 with steers for George Hastkings in National City. From Dixon, MT, fed and watered at Vegas the night before.

 

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:01 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?

 

 

do you have any indication of what trains and/or railroads (UP?,ATSF?) brought these into San Bernardino?

 


From: STMFC@... <STMFC@...> on behalf of 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 10:38 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?

 

 

I have records of 263 cars that were unloaded at the San Bernardino feeding station of the ATSF in October/November 1945. Included in that were 4 NP cars:

 

53085 and 82833 arrived Oct. 5 loaded with horses for Clyde Miller in Pico.

83361 arrived Oct 6 with more horses for Clyde Miller

83750 arrived Oct. 8 with steers for George Hastkings in National City.

 

This does not answer your 1947 question.

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 11:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] NP stock cars in L.A. ca. 1947-48?

 

 

Were Northern Pacific stock cars ever seen in the Los Angeles area circa 1947-48?


Re: ART ALTERNATE LETTERING SCHEME

hubert mask
 

Contact MPHS art decals should be arriving soon.  

Mask Island Decals is offering these sets to them

Hubert Mask


On Jul 29, 2015, at 3:48 PM, billnlargo@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Oddballs?  Tom Stoltz did a lot of MP stuff, including almost a dozen different ART reefer configurations...

Regards,
Bill Adam


Re: ART ALTERNATE LETTERING SCHEME

Bill Adam
 

Oddballs?  Tom Stoltz did a lot of MP stuff, including almost a dozen different ART reefer configurations...
Regards,
Bill Adam


ART ALTERNATE LETTERING SCHEME

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

A few years ago an additional Buzz Saw decal was offered in order to create
an alternate lettering scheme for the Amarillo Railroad Museum ART refrigerator
car. Does anyhone remember who offeed this decal? I know that I bought it
but can't seem to oocate it.

Thanks for any help.

Bill Pardie


Re: Southern Boxcar Aluminum Monogram

O Fenton Wells
 

Ted Culotta has the aluminum monogram in his set No.100 I think the number is.


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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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Re: Southern Boxcar Herald Laments

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Craig (aka Zman) Yes Hubert has done an excellent set with both monograms and will do all SR boxcars from 1930's through the early 60's. The set is Mask Island No.87-168.
Sorry this took so long to reply but I have just had eye surgery, last Tuesday and have been not allowed to use the phone or computer until today.
Fenton


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Craig Zeni clzeni@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:30 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

> 4a. Southern Boxcar Herald Laments
> Posted by: "Garth Groff" sarahsan@... ggg9y
> Date: Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:22 pm ((PDT))
>
> Friends,
>
> I picked up copy of Jim Kincaid's SOUTHERN RAILWAY COLOR GUIDE at the
> Virginia Museum of Transportation this morning. I went to Roanoke to see
> the Y-6a which is on loan from St. Louis. Impressive. Very hard to
> photograph with their narrow grounds. Rods all missing. But back to the
> book. I was pleased to see that there were a number of 1950s-era cars shown.
>
> On thing stood out right away to me. The herald on 10048 built in 1938
> and photographed in 1945 (page [33]) is quite different from the others.
> The slogan "The Southern serves the South" is of a large style and
> nearly fills the entire space between the two rings. The slogans on
> 22423 on the same page, 27000 (page [34]) and 30579 (page [35]) are in
> much smaller style and do not fill the rings. 30579 was built in 1951/52
> and appears in original paint. 27000 was repainted circa 1958. Another
> car, 330219, a 1946-built car shown in 1953 also has the smaller lettering.
>
> I just checked my dwindling stock of Champ decals, and all that I have
> of the large size are the older type shown on 10048 measure 5' across. I
> do have one pair of a 4' herald with the smaller slogan, maker unknown.
>
> I have a pair of unbuilt 50' P2K auto cars, both with a "New 1944" date.
> One has a 4' 3" herald with the smaller lettering. The second has a 5'
> herald with the slogan filling the ring, but lettering style doesn't
> look like 10048. Oh, poop!
>
> Where can I get the more modern herald decals? When did the heralds
> change? And how large (always 5'?) were these on boxcars ? Inquiring
> minds want to know.
>
> Maybe I shouldn't have bought the book. But then the prototype police
> would eventually have noticed. But now I know the 50' PS-1 I lettered up
> a few years ago is WRONG!

Also check the Mask Island decals...Hubert Mask worked with Fenton Wells etc and makes an excellent steam era set.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC




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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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