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Re: Milk trains and cars

drgwrail
 

Back about 30 years ago Bob Mohowski and I did a 3 part article series in Railroad Model Craftsman on milk cars and trains.

We did extensive research on milk cars and  trains on milk cars. While a few railroads outside of the northeast listed a few milk cars, we found no evidence of the volume and devoted trains it is pretty certainn that the solid trains existed only in the Notheast. The huge volume and distances required for the New York City market simply did not exist elsewhere.

The LV, DL&W, Erie, NYOW, etc shipped milk in carloads from as far as 200 miles from NYC. Milk was shpped in alss lined tanks in cars, bottled, ready for home delivery , cans, etc. The milk companies such as Bordens, Dairylea, etc. had a large network of creameries though out NY and eastern PA.
As Tony says, other places simply shipped milk cans in baggage cars. Boston and PhiliCelpia had carload lots shipped but seem to have had no solid trains.
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A very interesting subject with much to be yet researched!

Chuck Yungkurth
Lousville CO


Re: Warpage of Resin Castings (was Virtual RPM Meet?)

Allen Cain
 

I agree that MOST once glued solid will stay flat, maybe even if not flattened prior to assembly.  However, as stated by another, if the sides are “cupped” along the long centerline assembly may not correct the problem.  However, if the assembly process pulls the part straight AND you clamp it while glued AND you leave a filet of glue to create a REALLY STRONG bond, you should be okay.  Now if you want to be even more comfortable, glue a scrap piece of resin along the seam on the inside to strengthen the joint.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

Allen Cain

 

 


New products from Yarmouth Model Works

Pierre Oliver
 

For some this will be old news;
Yarmouth Model Works is pleased to announce 4 new kits, which will be released next weekend at the RPM in Collinsville, IL.
Details of the new kits can be seen here, http://elgincarshops.blogspot.ca/2015/07/new-kits-from-yarmouth-model-works.html
Kits can also be ordered online at, http://yarmouthmodelworks.com/kits.php
Kits ordered online will not be shipped until after the RPM.
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Southern Caboose Restoration

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

A few days ago the Charlottesville DAILY PROGRESS had a feature article on the rescue and restoration of a Virginia Blue Ridge caboose (No. 2, I think). This is an ex-Southern wooden car with a center cupola, and while I'm sure it isn't the last one left, there can't be many of them around.

The article is online at: http://www.dailyprogress.com/it-s-back-on-track/article_76d86347-acb9-50a3-97f8-64cacefc0e4d.html


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Warpage of Resin Castings (was Virtual RPM Meet?)

Walter Cox
 

For what it's worth I have an unbuilt caboose with a rather thin warped floor that I was planning to stiffen by laminating a styrene sheet to the floor to fit inside the ends and sides. Walt
 

In a message dated 7/30/2015 5:49:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Thank you,


I have some rather warped kits I’ve not built and this possible later warping was a concern.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:30 AM, tyesac wrote:


Mike,
 
I've only built around 150 - 200 of them, and so far, I haven't seen that warpage problem reappear.  That includes some of the early resin kits made from the metal filled dark grey resin and a few cast in the early yeloowish aluminite resin.
 
 
Tom Casey


Re: Milk trains and cars

Tony Thompson
 

I recently saw some articles on milk trains in the east and upper mid-west, but there was no mention of milk transportation on the west coast.  How was milk handled in the southwest and CA?


     As Tom VanWormer said, SP operated milk service into both San Francisco and Los Angeles for some years. In the 1930s, the LA service from the west extended as far as Oxnard. I have seen a memo setting aside a certain number of express reefers for that service and for cut flowers, though SP also used baggage cars for short milk movements. The Sacramento Northern carried milk into East Bay points from Walnut Creek and Concord until just after World War II.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Milk trains and cars

Tom Vanwormer
 

Rick,
The Espee had a couple of Milk & Cream cars (Baggage Car) service to both Los Angeles and San Francisco.  These cars were carried in scheduled passenger trains as needed.  The products were carried in five and ten gallon milk cans with the empty cans moving in the reverse direction on passenger trains under waybill to expedite their return.

Between 1877 and 1918 the Colorado Midland moved milk cans from the farms along the route to processing facilities in Colorado Springs, Leadville, Aspen, Glenwood Springs and Grand Junction as waybilled items of express.  The milk cans were expedited from the processing facilities back to the farmer on the next train.  Similar cans were used to transport fish for stocking the rivers and lakes along the line from the State Hatchery in Leadville.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

Rdietrichson@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hi all,

I recently saw some articles on milk trains in the east and upper mid-west, but there was no mention of milk transportation on the west coast.  How was milk handled in the southwest and CA?

Rick Dietrichson

Wilmington, NC



Re: another SOO "1932" ARA/AAR box car

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote :

A 1963 overhead shot of a car with its ORIGINAL roof, but repainted
in the billboard paint scheme! So not all repainted cars got new roofs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371323817355

======================

Nice find, Tim. Shortly after the billboard lettering was introduced, the Wisconsin Central component of CP's little family of US subsidiaries FINALLY emerged from bankruptcy, and while the Soo had never been known to spend money foolishly, they seemed to really want a new image. Color photos of the steel boxcars with the original $ heralds are exceedingly rare, leading me to believe that the older steel cars were given an accelerated painting program. It stands to reason that these cars went through with the rest during the later fifties.

I don't think I've ever seen a photo of one of these cars that was re-roofed that did not also have the side sill reinforcements applied, leading me to believe that both those improvements were done concurrently at some time after the end of our period of interest.

Dennis Storzek


Fun with Terry's NYC data

Allen Rueter
 

Thought I would share some useless data from Terry's massive transcription. THANKS Terry.

out of 25961 entries from 1946-1948 types of loads:
N    %    Load
131 0.50 FEED
131 0.50 LIME
133 0.51 COKE
135 0.52 PLASTERBOARD
138 0.53 WIRE
185 0.71 FLUX STONE  
192 0.73 LIMESTONE
193 0.74 FLOUR
195 0.75 WHEAT
212 0.81 HOGS
215 0.82 OIL
224 0.86 IRON
270 1.04 MACHINERY
292 1.12 FRAMES
316 1.21 CATTLE
327 1.25 LUMBER
351 1.35 AUTOS
412 1.58 PAPER
456 1.75 PIPE
472 1.81 MEAT
486 1.87 STEEL
1277 4.9 STONE
1724 6.64 COAL
2219 8.54 MERCHANDISE
8094 31.17 EMPTY

              Destinations
136 0.52 MILWAUKEE
139 0.53 SYRACUSE
144 0.55 EAST BUFFALO
146 0.56 BOSTON
150 0.57 UTICA
155 0.59 PHILADELPHIA
176 0.67 GYPSUM
176 0.67 SOUTH BEND
188 0.72 EAST DEWITT
193 0.74 WEEHAWKEN
266 1.02 WEIRTON
291 1.12 DETROIT
292 1.12 COLLINWOOD
292 1.12 LOS ANGELES
337 1.29 SANDUSKY
379 1.45 SOUTH LORAIN
498 1.91 TO P&LE
527 2.02 ELYRIA
593 2.28 TOLEDO AIR LINE JCT.
618 2.38 YOUNGSTOWN
626 2.41 BUFFALO
695 2.67 DETROIT - MC
765 2.94 DANBURY
859 3.30 NEW YORK
914 3.52 TOLEDO
1195 4.60 CHICAGO
1484 5.71 CLEVELAND
3021 11.63 ELKHART

 N     %  Mark (all types)
200 0.77 ACL
216 0.83 UTLX
219 0.84 SRLX
231 0.88 MP
236 0.90 B&LE
245 0.94 ARLX
249 0.95 SFRD
253 0.97 SP
270 1.04 L&N
287 1.10 RI
306 1.17 NP
316 1.21 UP
341 1.31 GN
346 1.33 W&LE
365 1.40 ERIE
388 1.49 SOUTHERN
389 1.49 READING
423 1.62 MDT
436 1.67 GATX
456 1.75 C&O
493 1.89 IC
516 1.98 CNW
520 2.00 CB&Q
530 2.04 ATSF
544 2.09 MILW
618 2.38 PFE
681 2.62 P&LE
734 2.82 N&W
953 3.67 B&O
2333 8.98 PRR
4978 19.17 NYC

Allen Rueter


Milk trains and cars

rdietrichson
 

Hi all,

I recently saw some articles on milk trains in the east and upper mid-west, but there was no mention of milk transportation on the west coast.  How was milk handled in the southwest and CA?

Rick Dietrichson

Wilmington, NC


Re: 1954 and 1955 Tank car action on the NP

npin53
 

Still, if you model the NP in
this area and this era, then this could add some fun to your op sessions.

Tim O'Connor

Yes, Tim, I model the NP in this era, and area, Glendive to Mandan, so was very interested when Jim showed me the letters.  I will invite you all over to operate, once I'm ready.  Pictures of Mandan in the early 50's, show the yard full of black tank cars.

Getting ready for my first St. Louis RPM, hope to meet some of you for the first time.

Aaron Gjermundson
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Re: ART ALTERNATE LETTERING SCHEME

asychis@...
 

Thinking on this,  Bill, you might be referring to an article on our website (currently being completely redone and not up and running) that mentioned doing the very short-lived scheme from 1948 by adding a MoPac buzzsaw on one side and a Wabash herald on the other, using the steel ice reefer we brought out that had the original scheme with the single ART herald. The key is the interesting MoPac herald with a blue ring within the buzzsaw.  Yes, unfortunately this was produced by Oddballs Decals prior to that enterprise absconding with many, many of dollars in orders.
 
Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Mueum


Re: ART ALTERNATE LETTERING SCHEME

asychis@...
 

Walt, right now, all we (The Amarillo Railroad Museum and Missouri Pacific Historical Society)  can say is stayed tuned. 
 
Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Re: ART ALTERNATE LETTERING SCHEME

asychis@...
 

Bill, What do you mean by an "alternate" ART scheme?  I might be able to help if you can give me a bit more information.
 
Jerry Michels
Amarillo Railroad Museum


Re: freight car shops

Tim O'Connor
 

Tom Baker asked

   > 1.  M K T

DAL    MKT   Dallas TX
DEN    MKT   Denison TX
GP     MKT   Glen Park Yard MO Kansas City
OC     MKT   Oklahoma City OK
PAR    MKT   Parsons KS
RAY    MKT   Ray Yard

   > 2.  MN&S

GJ MNS Glenwood Junction MN

   > 3.  ERIE

BH     Erie   Brier Hill OH Youngstown
CD     Erie   Cleveland OH
CX     Erie   Croxton NJ
DO     Erie   Dunmore PA
EB     Erie   East Buffalo NY
EE     Erie   ?
HD     Erie   Hammond IN
HL     Erie   Hornell NY
KE     Erie   Kent OH
KY     Erie   ?
MDV    Erie   Meadville PA
PJ     Erie   Port Jervis NY
SO     Erie   ?

   > 4. CNJ

ALL    CNJ    Allentown PA
ARL    CNJ    Arlington Yard
ASH    CNJ    Ashley PA
EP     CNJ    Elizabethport PA

All information above is from Richard Hendrickson's spreadsheet.

Tim O'Connor


Re: 1954 and 1955 Tank car action on the NP

Tim O'Connor
 

Bruce Smith wrote

 > The actual traffic appears to have been between 10 and 20 cars a day, which I
 > would term "modest" and the refinery appears to have been able to unload 13 cars
 > a day ...  These are not oil trains but blocks of cars of crude


Yep. This is consistent with what I've seen in photos etc of the NP. "Very modest"
is more like it. After all, 4800 barrels/day (20 car loads) would be approx 0.07%
of US crude oil production in 1955. Small movements of crude oil in this region
persisted well into the era of the Bakken shale (i.e. the present day) but rarely
amounted to more than about 20 cars/day nationwide. Still, in you model the NP in
this area and this era, then this could add some fun to your op sessions.

Tim O'Connor



another SOO "1932" ARA/AAR box car

Tim O'Connor
 

A 1963 overhead shot of a car with its ORIGINAL roof, but repainted
in the billboard paint scheme! So not all repainted cars got new roofs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371323817355

And for Schuyler -- check out the EL FT locomotive set still wearing
Erie colors, but carefully relettered Erie Lackawanna ! :-)

Can't make out that NYC box car number. Might be NYC 166295 or 164295

Tim O'Connor


Re: freight car shops

Benjamin Hom
 

Tom Baker asked:
"I am trying to find out where the following railroads would have their car repair shops:

1. M K T

2. MN&S

3. ERIE

​4. CNJ

The information will aid in the creation of some S-scale decal sets.  The larger roads cited most likely had more than one location, but one will do."
 
Tom, do you need this for scale marks for reweigh data?  Don't fall into the model railroader trap that the reweigh date is the "shop date"!
 
If you look in the group files section, there's an excel file with scale locations and abbreviations compiled from inputs from the group membership.  It should have what you're looking for.
 
 
Ben Hom


freight car shops

Thomas Baker
 

Group:


I am trying to find out where the following railroads would have their car repair shops:


1.  M K T


2.  MN&S


3.  ERIE


​4. CNJ


The information will aid in the creation of some S-scale decal sets.  The larger roads cited most likely had more than one location, but one will do.


Tom Baker



Re: 1954 and 1955 Tank car action on the NP

al_brown03
 

Yep, and everybody wants to make it clear that it's *someone else* who doesn't understand! If the oil isn't bunching at Glendive or Staples, the finger seems to point to Mandan. :-)

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

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