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C&BT Shops Car Wanted

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Does anyone have particular C&BT Shops car in their never-to-be-built pile? I'm looking for a 12-panel, 7' door, straight panel roof car with 4/4 ends. It must be the version with separate ladders and other details. I know of no prototype for this particular car, but I have two lettered for my freelance Virginia Midland, and would like another. They look pretty nice when upgraded.

I am only interested in this combination of features. If anyone has such a car they would like to part with for sale or trade, please contact me OFF-LIST.

Thanks much.


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

Re: Not Just For Automobiles

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Re: Not Just For Automobiles

Mark Stamm
 

I think it is an X32b

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

Sent from my mobile device

On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:51 PM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Hello Group,


I would appreciate if someone could ID the box car. My knowledge base of the PRR is extremely limited. 

Thanks and Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:03 PM, jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Yes, it looks like there's at least one more, with tail visible in the doorway,  nose out of sight to the left. Behind that fuselage, it looks like there's a rack of wings and/ or stabilizers, at least 8 items. That may suggest that there were several planes in the shipment.


I keep thinking Richard Hendrickson would have enjoyed this one!

Jack Mullen


Re: Not Just For Automobiles

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Group,

I would appreciate if someone could ID the box car. My knowledge base of the PRR is extremely limited. 

Thanks and Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Aug 10, 2015, at 5:03 PM, jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Yes, it looks like there's at least one more, with tail visible in the doorway,  nose out of sight to the left. Behind that fuselage, it looks like there's a rack of wings and/ or stabilizers, at least 8 items. That may suggest that there were several planes in the shipment.


I keep thinking Richard Hendrickson would have enjoyed this one!

Jack Mullen


Re: Not Just For Automobiles

Jack Mullen
 

Yes, it looks like there's at least one more, with tail visible in the doorway,  nose out of sight to the left. Behind that fuselage, it looks like there's a rack of wings and/ or stabilizers, at least 8 items. That may suggest that there were several planes in the shipment.

I keep thinking Richard Hendrickson would have enjoyed this one!

Jack Mullen

Re: STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!

Donald B. Valentine
 

   And photos will be posted when John??

Thanks in advance, Don Valentine

British Library maps

Tim O'Connor
 

I don't know if the archive has any freight car photos, but it definitely
has maps showing rail lines ... Anyway the British Library has scanned and
made available over ONE MILLION images that are free for anyone to use as
they wish. There are hundred of albums this is just one image from one album ...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/16403210530/in/album-72157648606505353/

Tim O'Connor

Re: B&O container chassis question

rwitt_2000
 

Tim and others,

Here is a link to the MOPAC COFC information.

MoPac Demountable Intermodal Container Scratch Build - Update 7/19

 

Currently, I can't find any on-line sources for the B&O TOFCEE service using containers.

Bob Witt

Re: vacuum

railsnw@...
 

Or you can have an imploding tank car, slightly off topic.

Railroad tank car vacuum implosion

Richard Wilkens

 

STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!

golden1014
 

On behalf of Lonnie Bathurst, Dan Kohlberg, Dave Roeder and Clark Propst, I’d like to say thank you for a wonderful, crazy, packed, non-stop and thoroughly enjoyable weekend at the 2015 St. Louis RPM meet.  We had a whopper of an event—385 attendees, lots of happy vendors and historical societies, over 2,000 models brought by attendees, and a ton of fun and fellowship.  We are humbled, and grateful, for your participation and we hope that you all had a wonderful time and safe travels.

Everyone made our event a success this year.  To our vendors and manufacturers—thank you for your time and effort and money spent to get here, meet and greet your customers, and make our event a success.  To all the historical society people who came to meet and encouraged greater participation—thanks for flying the flag and being a big part of the show.  To our speakers, who presented a variety of topics to packed audiences—thank you for your tireless effort to educate your fellow modelers and railfans.  And to our friendly exhibitors, like Dave Shroedle and the crew from The Weathering Shop, and Jeff Otto, and Badger and Grex, among many others—thank you for your dedication and loyalty to the community.  Not to be forgotten are the layout owners—thank you for opening your homes and spreading good cheer.  We hope everyone was inspired by meeting new friends and learning new things.

The generosity of our vendors and historical societies and manufacturers humbles us every year.  We were fortunate to give away about 260 door prizes, including locomotives, decoders, freight cars of all types, books, historical society memberships, paint, calendars, and lots of other great stuff.  THANK YOU to our vendor and manufacturer friends—your contributions make RPM meets what they are and keep modelers coming through the doors.   

I’d also like to thank all the folks behind the scenes who helped out all weekend—all the guys that dropped their bags and helped the vendors pack up and move in and out, the folks who worked the front door, and all the guys that helped us move tables around on Friday morning when things got all messed up—and all you others that I am forgetting—thanks to you for your selflessness.  

Also, thanks to everyone that brought models.  The model display is the heart of our meet, and I recognize that it’s tough to pack up and bring things, and recognize the risks involved.  Thanks to each and every one of your for making that special effort and making STL RPM something special.  Without your models, RPM meets would be just another train show.

Our friends at the Gateway NMRA were terrific as always, helping us arrange things and spread the word.  For more information on the NMRA’s Gateway Division, please visit http://www.gatewaynmra.org/default.htm.  They have a neat website and there’s a lot to see and learn there, so check it out when you have the time.

We’re building the “official” STL RPM photo site this week on Flickr.  We need a little time to get captions done and get the site ready for public viewing, and I’ll get that that site to you as soon as I can.  I’m sure other guys will be posting photos around the internet too.  Our old site—with photos from our first eight STL RPM meets—will remain on PBase at http://www.pbase.com/golden1014 .  We’ll slowly transition over to Flickr this year and will keep you informed as we open up new pages and sites.  

Our friends at the Gateway NMRA were terrific as always, helping us arrange things and spread the word.  For more information on the NMRA’s Gateway Division, please visit http://www.gatewaynmra.org/default.htm.  They have a neat website and there’s a lot to see and learn there, so check it out when you have the time.

We’ll host another STL RPM in late July or early August 2016.  As soon as we get the dates set we’ll let you know.  We were bursting at the seams this year so next year we’ll plan to have more room, and more clinics, and make things bigger and better.  If you have some good ideas about making our event better, or need to let me know that something needs to be fixed, give me a shout at Golden1014@....

If you couldn’t attend St. Louis this year, try to make another RPM meet near you.  They’re held all over the country by committed teams of modelers, and they’re a great place to meet and learn.  A good list of all the RPM events can be found on Joe D'elia's RPM Website at http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.com/other.htm.  

Yours Very Truly,
Lon Bathurst
Clark Propst
Dan Kohlberg
Dave Roeder
John Golden

Re: Not Just For Automobiles

al_brown03
 

Is there a second plane, already inside?

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Moloco boxcars

Jon Miller
 

    Just looked at the site and see they have some seconds for $29.  Seem like a bargain for minor work.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Not Just For Automobiles

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

 
This photo link below is from a website (http://dalakarl.com/project00.html)
about the restoration of a Aeronca KCA-14 airplane.
I know very little about airplanes but I can certainly identify a boxcar:


Caption: “The way in which Aeroncas travelled to California in those days was by boxcar. There is a picture of one such sister ship being loaded at the factory in one of the Aeronca books.”

    Terrific photo, Bob, and another reason to operate double-door box cars on one's layout, other than automobiles and lumber .

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




Not Just For Automobiles

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This photo link below is from a website (http://dalakarl.com/project00.html)

about the restoration of a Aeronca KCA-14 airplane.

 

I know very little about airplanes but I can certainly identify a boxcar:

 

http://dalakarl.com/boxcar.jpg

 

Caption: “The way in which Aeroncas travelled to California in those days was by boxcar. There is a picture of one such sister ship being loaded at the factory in one of the Aeronca books.”

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: PRR X29D box car questions (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Mike;

I do not have a photo at hand with that low a car number. If you can share it with me via my email address I can provide any insights I might have. That series is one of those that had a mix of high end tack boards and low door tack boards...

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 11:04 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: PRR X29D box car questions (UNCLASSIFIED)



Thank you for your feedback, Elden----

My statement,


"I have come to suspect (maybe I read it) that at least the last block, perhaps all three blocks, were numbered downward, that is, newer cars were assigned lower numbers."



was based in part by two details, perhaps neither of which proves anything. First, the three blocks of car numbers were assigned in 'reverse' order. Each was the next lower block for each new group. Perhaps this is nothing unusual.

What had caused me to look further however was the discovery of car 23178 in service on March 19, 1956. This would have been perhaps just 8-10 weeks after the start of the program which ran from January to July. Car 23178 is much closer to the top end of the series than to the low end. This too perhaps proves nothing as actual manufacturing production schedules might not always coincide with what are listed as the 'financial' record. Anything you might tell me about X29D's construction timing would be welcome such as completion time, first re-weigh, etc. I have a Wright Trak model I would like to stencil for this car.

Thanks----Mike Schleigh



On Monday, August 10, 2015 10:03 AM, "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:




Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

The X29D are a very complicated class. The X29D had a lot of little detail differences than have been generally discussed, either for the kit research, or in the RPCyc article, IIRC. While some of the standard details have been talked out, there are still things like the "high tackboard/low tackboard" discussion that never made it to press. The brake equipment story also does not have a final answer, but some interesting leads.

I am not sure I understand your question, Mike. Series 25501-26500 were indeed the highest numbered block, but were all produced first, and in sequence, as-built, with stenciling stating "BLT. 8 24" (rebuilt 1952), not "rebuilt" as in the later series. They do all appear to have been numbered upwards in each series.

There is also the issue of which cars got the "Don't Stand Me Still" logo, and in what color.

If you're interested, I can dig up my "to-date" data package.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: PRR X29D box car questions



Hello Group!

There was a difference, a distinctive one, between early and late production X29D cars.

The first group of 1000 cars (25501-26500, 9/1952-4/1953) were built with the "short taper" 1-3-4 ID ends. Groups two and three (23601-25500, 6/1955-1/1956 and 22301-23500, 1/1956-7/1956, 1900 and 1200 cars respectively, were made with the "long taper" 1-3-4 ID ends. The earlier noted F&C model covers the first block of cars. Not mentioned is the Wright Trak model which captured that difference with a nicely done model of the newer two blocks. These X29D distinctions are well covered in RP CYC 26.

I have come to suspect (maybe I read it) that at least the last block, perhaps all three blocks, were numbered downward, that is, newer cars were assigned lower numbers. Can anyone verify this?

Regards to all----Mike Schleigh



On Sunday, August 9, 2015 4:31 PM, "obermeyern@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:




Ben,

Thank you for the information. Any chance that you know the PC number?

Thanks!
Nate





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE








Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: PRR X29D box car questions (UNCLASSIFIED)

Schleigh Mike
 

Thank you for your feedback, Elden----

My statement,

"I have come to suspect (maybe I read it) that at least the last block, perhaps all three blocks, were numbered downward, that is, newer cars were assigned lower numbers."

was based in part by two details, perhaps neither of which proves anything.  First, the three blocks of car numbers were assigned in 'reverse' order.  Each was the next lower block for each new group.  Perhaps this is nothing unusual.

What had caused me to look further however was the discovery of car 23178 in service on March 19, 1956.  This would have been perhaps just 8-10 weeks after the start of the program which ran from January to July.  Car 23178 is much closer to the top end of the series than to the low end.  This too perhaps proves nothing as actual manufacturing production schedules might not always coincide with what are listed as the 'financial' record.  Anything you might tell me about X29D's construction timing would be welcome such as completion time, first re-weigh, etc.  I have a Wright Trak model I would like to stencil for this car.

Thanks----Mike Schleigh



On Monday, August 10, 2015 10:03 AM, "'Gatwood, Elden SAW' elden.j.gatwood@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

The X29D are a very complicated class. The X29D had a lot of little detail differences than have been generally discussed, either for the kit research, or in the RPCyc article, IIRC. While some of the standard details have been talked out, there are still things like the "high tackboard/low tackboard" discussion that never made it to press. The brake equipment story also does not have a final answer, but some interesting leads.

I am not sure I understand your question, Mike. Series 25501-26500 were indeed the highest numbered block, but were all produced first, and in sequence, as-built, with stenciling stating "BLT. 8 24" (rebuilt 1952), not "rebuilt" as in the later series. They do all appear to have been numbered upwards in each series.

There is also the issue of which cars got the "Don't Stand Me Still" logo, and in what color.

If you're interested, I can dig up my "to-date" data package.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: PRR X29D box car questions



Hello Group!

There was a difference, a distinctive one, between early and late production X29D cars.

The first group of 1000 cars (25501-26500, 9/1952-4/1953) were built with the "short taper" 1-3-4 ID ends. Groups two and three (23601-25500, 6/1955-1/1956 and 22301-23500, 1/1956-7/1956, 1900 and 1200 cars respectively, were made with the "long taper" 1-3-4 ID ends. The earlier noted F&C model covers the first block of cars. Not mentioned is the Wright Trak model which captured that difference with a nicely done model of the newer two blocks. These X29D distinctions are well covered in RP CYC 26.

I have come to suspect (maybe I read it) that at least the last block, perhaps all three blocks, were numbered downward, that is, newer cars were assigned lower numbers. Can anyone verify this?

Regards to all----Mike Schleigh



On Sunday, August 9, 2015 4:31 PM, "obermeyern@... [STMFC]" wrote:




Ben,

Thank you for the information. Any chance that you know the PC number?

Thanks!
Nate





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE




Re: vacuum

Jon Miller
 

On 8/10/2015 7:22 AM, 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC] wrote:
How about a pressure cooker?

    Probably work.  You could drill and tap for the connection.  Not sure what their max psi is, probably around 20.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: vacuum

James SANDIFER
 

How about a pressure cooker?

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 9:21 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] vacuum

 

 

On 8/10/2015 6:54 AM, Alfred Westerfield westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] wrote:

Doug - Thanks for the info.  I have several plastic chambers I used initially in the business.  They end to implode with heavy use, something that I don't contemplate. - Al Westerfield


    If you can find an old paint pot you can use a compressor like Tom does.  If I remember correctly you only need about 40/50psi.



-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: vacuum

Jon Miller
 

On 8/10/2015 6:54 AM, Alfred Westerfield westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] wrote:
Doug - Thanks for the info.  I have several plastic chambers I used initially in the business.  They end to implode with heavy use, something that I don't contemplate. - Al Westerfield

    If you can find an old paint pot you can use a compressor like Tom does.  If I remember correctly you only need about 40/50psi.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: PRR X29D box car questions (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

The X29D are a very complicated class. The X29D had a lot of little detail differences than have been generally discussed, either for the kit research, or in the RPCyc article, IIRC. While some of the standard details have been talked out, there are still things like the "high tackboard/low tackboard" discussion that never made it to press. The brake equipment story also does not have a final answer, but some interesting leads.

I am not sure I understand your question, Mike. Series 25501-26500 were indeed the highest numbered block, but were all produced first, and in sequence, as-built, with stenciling stating "BLT. 8 24" (rebuilt 1952), not "rebuilt" as in the later series. They do all appear to have been numbered upwards in each series.

There is also the issue of which cars got the "Don't Stand Me Still" logo, and in what color.

If you're interested, I can dig up my "to-date" data package.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:10 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: PRR X29D box car questions



Hello Group!

There was a difference, a distinctive one, between early and late production X29D cars.

The first group of 1000 cars (25501-26500, 9/1952-4/1953) were built with the "short taper" 1-3-4 ID ends. Groups two and three (23601-25500, 6/1955-1/1956 and 22301-23500, 1/1956-7/1956, 1900 and 1200 cars respectively, were made with the "long taper" 1-3-4 ID ends. The earlier noted F&C model covers the first block of cars. Not mentioned is the Wright Trak model which captured that difference with a nicely done model of the newer two blocks. These X29D distinctions are well covered in RP CYC 26.

I have come to suspect (maybe I read it) that at least the last block, perhaps all three blocks, were numbered downward, that is, newer cars were assigned lower numbers. Can anyone verify this?

Regards to all----Mike Schleigh



On Sunday, August 9, 2015 4:31 PM, "obermeyern@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:




Ben,

Thank you for the information. Any chance that you know the PC number?

Thanks!
Nate





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE