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Re: St Louis RPM & RPM Status—Play It Forward

Bill Welch
 

Regarding RPM's lets not forget the meets that alternate between the Philadelphia area and the Pittsburg area in March usually I think. I agree with Tony about Joe's passive recruiting style. Martin was really good at recruiting people none of us knew plus he clearly created something that spawned the other events like Cocoa Beach and the Collinsvilles.

I would add that Pierre Oliver's observation earlier today about complaints about the decline in the quality of content or words to that effect if I understood Pierre's comments correctly is so on target. I have to believe that there are several people on this list are capable of doing a presentation or at least making a contribution to a Blog like on Resin Car Works website. Imagine that if half of the people that had models at Collinsville wrote up something about what they did, how much richer we would be and multiply that by Cocoa Beach, Lisle, Collinsville, CT, Pittsburg/Philadelphia.

What I am saying is please start "Playing it Forward." Please somebody start with "Northeastern Boxcars Beyond NYC/B&O/PRR: All Those Other RR's"

Bill Welch


Re: St Louis RPM

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug Harding wrote

> Tony I concur on Cocoa Beach ... locals ... make up a significant portion of
> the Naperville crowd ... It is no longer necessary to go to Naperville.

Hmmm... The only reason I originally met Richard Hendrickson, Tony Thompson, Tom Madden,
Bill Welch, Frank Hodina, Jerry Stewart, Andy Carlson, Dave Hussey, David Lehlbach, and
MANY other people -- many people who I now consider to be friends and not just pen pals,
is because I met them all at Naperville! I've gone to Cocoa and Timonium and Collinsville
(Connecticut!) and those are great places to meet people too.

I guess my point is that for me the big attraction is fellowship, not just information
sharing or show-and-tell and definitely not just a local swap meet. Heck, I met Staffan
Ehnbom at Naperville and he's from where, Sweden?

Anyway, let's not kill off having a Chicago-area national RPM meet. Chicago is a fantastic
railroad town and there are a LOT of attractions in the area as well as some of the world's
greatest model railroads -- Dan Holbrook's and Bill Darnaby's to name just two. I know that
several post-STMFC modelers stopped going to Naperville because they felt excluded when
Martin was running it, and that's not good for RPM. But the point about having the show be
run by someone local is a good one, I think. Mike Brock anchors Cocoa, John Golden has made
St Louis into a great event, David Owens is the energy behind Collinsville CT, and so on.
Hopefully someone in Chicago/Midwest will step up and put the energy back into that venue.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Collinsville, IL RPM Report

Bill Welch
 

They are from the Microscale CofG boxcar decal set.

Bill


Re: St Louis RPM

Douglas Harding
 

Tony I concur on Cocoa Beach, having attended several times. Clinics are equivalent to Naperville, if not getting better. Plus for a mid-westerner, Florida in January just has a certain appeal. I think Martin’s connection with clinicians was because he was selling a product they desired, ie highly detailed resin freight cars. That gave him a list of contacts, and often via word of mouth from his customers, he got a line on great clinics. Joe’s business, while also model railroad supplies, caters to a different crowd (ie I can’t recall purchasing anything from Joe’s business in a long, long time.) And Joe is far removed from the mid-west modeling scene, and the locals who do make up a significant portion of the Naperville crowd.

 

I attend Naperville and St Louis because I can drive there in a few hours. Florida means at least half a day in airports and airplanes, as you well know. One of the great attractions of so many RPM now taking place is that more “locals” can attend one near them. It is no longer necessary to go to Naperville.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Collinsville, IL RPM Report

Tim O'Connor
 


Bill whose reweigh stencils did you use?


I thought I would try to tell interested modelers about my experience at the recent RPM event at Collinsville, IL  co-ordinated by John Golden and his Posse. Since it was my first time, I was intrigued that there was only one Clinic going on at a time and thought perhaps the facility did not have enough room for more than one. As it turns out unlike Naperville/Lisle and Cocoa Beach, Collinsville intentionally only offers one Clinic at a time so that people have more time to look at models, shop, talk to each other or do like I did and spend much of Friday weathering a Central of Georgia 50-ft PS-1 CofG 5509 weathering


Re: New Upcoming InterMountain 1937 AAR Box Car Variations

rwitt_2000
 

The on-line photos I found were Rich Yoder's web site.

RY Models - C&O Boxcar

 



On the B&O, as Ben stated, they came secondhand from the C&O after they took control of the B&O. They were assigned B&O class M-25e. I assume they came with the doors applied by the C&O. The class M-25 (2nd) apparently served as a catch-all for various secondhand box cars that the B&O purchased or more likely leased starting ~1963 beyond the cut-off date for this list. So this discussion should move to the bbfcl Yahoo Group.

Regards,

Bob Witt


Collinsville, IL RPM Report

Bill Welch
 

I thought I would try to tell interested modelers about my experience at the recent RPM event at Collinsville, IL  co-ordinated by John Golden and his Posse. Since it was my first time, I was intrigued that there was only one Clinic going on at a time and thought perhaps the facility did not have enough room for more than one. As it turns out unlike Naperville/Lisle and Cocoa Beach, Collinsville intentionally only offers one Clinic at a time so that people have more time to look at models, shop, talk to each other or do like I did and spend much of Friday weathering a Central of Georgia 50-ft PS-1 CofG 5509 weathering



 with the guidance of Dave Schroedle. I also made a connection with fellow Dodgers fan Gary Christensen from the Weathering Shop. 


There were many beautiful models as John Golden has shared with us. It was especially nice to see more of Jack Spencer's incredible skills at super detailing freight car models, and someone's A-B-A set of M&StL FTs realistically weathered. Bob's, Mainline, and Big-Four were selling photos and I dropped some coins there. Resinators were pleased with Chad Boas, Resin Car Works/Frank Hodina, Yarmouth Model Works/Pierre Oliver, and Funaro & Camerlengo all selling our favored medium. I purchased  7K and 8k Acid Tank car kits from RCW (the 8K kit has three different domes) and parts for a Charleston & Western Carolina autocar based on a steel rebuild of a SS car from Chad. I started working on the C&WC casting Monday morning. I also bought the decals for the car done by Musk Island, the first of his product I have purchased. Chad is working on three flats I think he said, one of which represents a short steel cast flat. I decided to wait until October and N/L to purchased one of YMW's ATSF 12-panel ATSF post-WWII steel boxcars. The patterns for these cars were done by Aaron Gjermundson and he has captured the look of these cars beautifully. Particularly notable to me is how he captured the variations of the tabs along the sill. The kits cover Bx-48, -50, -51, -53, -60, -62 and -63 classes. One thing to be aware of is that RCW kits are very much Limited Production. If you want one, you better order it soon!

Much to the amusement (and undoubtedly to the mystification) of my friends at Collinsville I did purchase yet another Airbrush. I had been hearing the GREX "Siren's Song" from afar for awhile now but when I was in the same room with them it was hard to resist, especially when I got the "pistol gripped" Tritium.TG in my hand. It was very impressive that GREX's national Sales Representative Bryant Dunbar was there supporting their dealer Chris Merseal/CRM Hobbies (http://www.crmhobbies.com/). I was not the only one seduced as Mr. Merseal sold out of his pistol grip models and took at least two orders for them. One modeling friend was right behind me to buy one and later I saw another friend trying one out after i showed him mine. I tried to keep Badger's John Lee from pouting by reassuring him my Badger 155 Anthem will still be my workhorse. CRM is primarily a Military Model hobby shop but they carry all of the Tru-Color line of paints. My GREX came with a .3mm needle/nozzle set up and I purchased .2mm, .5mm, and .7mm needle/nozzle set ups and a Quick Disconnect fitting. I purchased it for slightly less than the best price I have found online. Here is a photo of my GREX: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n2rwos5dhjwej2e/GREX%20Tritium.TG%20.JPG?dl=0
 
Back to the format of the meet. It really works. There were at least 300 people on Friday which meant if the clinic room was at its capacity of 80 that well over 200 people were shopping, looking, and talking to each other. Personally I was not impressed with the offerings of the Small Tool dealer. Tangent offered no hints on upcoming releases but many were thinking it will be another tank car. I did see the new Kadee 11k tank car and I learned that Broadway Limited has wisely engaged a well known Freight Car historian to consult for their announced tank car project.

Finally towards the end of the event, several of us were wondering where the heck is Frank Peacock?!

Bill Welch



Re: St Louis RPM

Tony Thompson
 

Doug Harding wrote:

 
One of the big draws for attending Naperville was the opportunity to purchase Sunshine Kits and carry them home, esp when there was such a long waiting list for mail order and the frustration that Martin did not have an online presence for his business. I know I always went home with half a dozen or so and I saw others walk out with far more. With Martin’s death and the subsequent end of Sunshine Models, that attraction did not just diminished, it ended completely. Couple that with the higher costs, ie registration and possibly hotel, vs other locations, and it is easy to see why attendance has dropped. Of course today there are many RPMs offered around the country, so one no longer has to journey to Chicagoland to get their fix. Often they can get it much closer to home.

    Very true, Doug, on both points. I believe that, compared to Martin, Joe D'elia has been much less proactive in finding new clinic presenters and also in broadening the program. My own impression is that overall Naperville clinic quality and diversity has diminished since he took over. Martin definitely did spend some effort in getting recommendations for new speakers, and did put on a very good program every year. Last year someone said they thought Joe was in "caretaker mode," and though I suspect Joe would be outraged at that, people within earshot were nodding.
     My own counterexample to Naperville would be Cocoa Beach. Consistently good program, strong attendance, strong model display, very good management so that everything runs smoothly. I wasn't at St. Louis RPM a week ago, so can't compare to that, but certainly in my mind, between Naperville and Cocoa, the Cocoa meeting has overtaken and passed Naperville.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Paint color on aluminum PFE #45698

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Stanton wrote:

 
Does anyone know if the UP shield on the aluminum PFE #45698 was originally black and white or colored? (I have t he old metal athearn model says "LA 9-46" and is black and white along with correct (God bless 'em) rivet pattern).

       When built, that car certainly had a red-white-blue UP emblem. Though nominally a member of PFE Class R-40-20, both aluminum cars had Improved Dreadnaught ends like the following Class R-40-23 and the new 1946 paint scheme with both SP and UP emblems on each side. The black-white UP emblem was not introduced until 1950, by which time a 9-46 reweigh date would have expired and been replaced with something more recent. So you need to change either the reweigh date or the UP emblem. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: St Louis RPM

Douglas Harding
 

One of the big draws for attending Naperville was the opportunity to purchase Sunshine Kits and carry them home, esp when there was such a long waiting list for mail order and the frustration that Martin did not have an online presence for his business. I know I always went home with half a dozen or so and I saw others walk out with far more. With Martin’s death and the subsequent end of Sunshine Models, that attraction did not just diminished, it ended completely. Couple that with the higher costs, ie registration and possibly hotel, vs other locations, and it is easy to see why attendance has dropped. Of course today there are many RPMs offered around the country, so one no longer has to journey to Chicagoland to get their fix. Often they can get it much closer to home.

 

On a different note, it still amazes me that those who cannot or will not attend a RPM, still ask for copies of clinic presentations, ie they want a copy of my PowerPoint, the handout or the article. I just had such a request yesterday for an article published over 10 years ago. I try to accommodate when copyright, etc. allows, after all I have learned so much from many others.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


IHB / PLE colors

Dave Nelson
 

Was the late steam era “boxcar car red” used on IHB and PLE equipment the same color as used on NYC equipment?

 

WRT to the date ranges for using brown or black overall on gondolas, did the dates for those paint specs for IHB and PLE gondolas the same as the NYC?

 

I’m assuming the answer to both are yes but I figure it’s always best to ask this group before assuming anything.

 

Dave Nelson


Paint color on aluminum PFE #45698

bill stanton
 

Does anyone know if the UP shield on the aluminum PFE #45698 was originally black and white or colored? (I have t he old metal athearn model says "LA 9-46" and is black and white along with correct (God bless 'em) rivet pattern).


Re: St Louis RPM

Tim O'Connor
 

Pierre

I'm not sure why, but attendance at Naperville last year was the lowest
I've ever experienced -- just over 200 people. I thought it might be the
economy, and also we had recently lost Richard Hendrickson, but it was
still a good meet with good clinics -- some definitely very good. But it
does seem like St Louis is attracting a higher energy crowd -- and it is
more centrally located. (I think the geographical "center" of the 48 states
is somewhere in Missouri.) And I like the August - January separation of
the St Louis from Cocoa Beach. Not to mention that October often has other
events in conflict with Naperville.

Food for thought...

Tim O'Connor

This was my second time in St Louis.
Indeed a different event than Naperville. It's clear that Collinsville is growing and will be successful for some time to come. And it will no doubt evolve.
Will it supplant Naperville? There's the question for me. I heard a lot of rumour/fearmongering about the demise of Naperville.
To which I have to comment.
The RPMs are like RMC, they are contributor driven. The meets are only as good as the effort put forth and the energy of the speakers. If you're not seeing the kind of things you want to see, do a clinic, or find someone who can/will.
Constantly having the same core group of speakers is boring for the participants and the speakers suffer from burnout.
It's your hobby too. Get involved.

Pierre Oliver


Re: STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!

Tim O'Connor
 


Oh great, now I'm REALLY bummed out that I couldn't go! What a
great display of models. Nice to see all the truck models too.
Thanks for posting so many pictures !

Tim O'



https://www.flickr.com/photos/35369592@N06/sets/72157656596137919

Brian Ehni

 

They're posted right now on Flickr.  I don't have a link handy but you might
be able to see them by searching for Golden1014 or STL RPM 2015. I am new to
Flickr and don't know if the photos are publicly viewable yet, and have a
lot of captions finished and organization to complete.


John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: New Upcoming InterMountain 1937 AAR Box Car Variations

Tim O'Connor
 

The only B&O photo I've seen shows a car with a very unusual 3-panel door.
Did the B&O cars use any other doors, and are there online photos of them?

I would be more excited over Buckeye ends. Then I could do an NP rebuild.
Assuming that any of these parts are available in kit form.

Tim O'Connor

Todd Horton asked:
"How many roads had the Deco ends?"

One original owner (C&O) and one secondhand owner (B&O).

Ben Hom


Re: New Upcoming InterMountain 1937 AAR Box Car Variations

Benjamin Hom
 


Todd Horton asked:
"How many roads had the Deco ends?"
 
One original owner (C&O) and one secondhand owner (B&O).
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: St Louis RPM-Get Involved

Eric Hansmann
 

Easy it is! And we have a peek at one of the St Louis RPM activities on the RCW blog now.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] St Louis RPM-Get Involved

 



Amen Pierre, very well said. One easy way is to contribute to the Resin Car Works Blog. Do something, photograph it, write it up, submit it. Easy peasy.

 

Bill Welch


Re: New Upcoming InterMountain 1937 AAR Box Car Variations

Todd Horton
 

Ed, How many roads had the Deco ends?

Todd Horton


--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 8/11/15, Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] New Upcoming InterMountain 1937 AAR Box Car Variations
To: "STMFC Discussion Group" <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2015, 11:30 AM


 









STMFC members,

Just passing some new information from InterMountain's
web site per an

Aug. 7 update.



http://www.intermountain-railway.com/currentflyers.html



The announcement includes two new variations of their HO and
N 1937 AAR

box car.



1. "NSC-2" ends used by Canadian National Railway
on nearly 5,000 cars.

Listed in the flyer are cars numbered CN 520000-521499 built
in 1945 by

the National Steel Car Co. with Serves All Canada monogram
and green

maple leaf.



2. Deco ends and 3-panel Creco doors used on C&O
5400-5499 built by

GATC in 1937. These C&O cars came with Viking roofs.
Shown are two

schemes, as-built with black doors and 1949 repaint with
C&O for

Progress steam trail. The 3-panel Creco doors also applied
to C&O

5250-5399 having 4-5 Dreadnaught ends.



Several other cars are new paint schemes on the IM 1937 AAR
model

having 4-5 Dreadnaught ends. Reservations by Sept. 30 and an
ETA of

March/April 2016.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins













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Re: St Louis RPM-Get Involved

Bill Welch
 

Amen Pierre, very well said. One easy way is to contribute to the Resin Car Works Blog. Do something, photograph it, write it up, submit it. Easy peasy.

Bill Welch


New Upcoming InterMountain 1937 AAR Box Car Variations

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC members,
Just passing some new information from InterMountain's web site per an Aug. 7 update.

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/currentflyers.html

The announcement includes two new variations of their HO and N 1937 AAR box car.

1. "NSC-2" ends used by Canadian National Railway on nearly 5,000 cars. Listed in the flyer are cars numbered CN 520000-521499 built in 1945 by the National Steel Car Co. with Serves All Canada monogram and green maple leaf.

2. Deco ends and 3-panel Creco doors used on C&O 5400-5499 built by GATC in 1937. These C&O cars came with Viking roofs. Shown are two schemes, as-built with black doors and 1949 repaint with C&O for Progress steam trail. The 3-panel Creco doors also applied to C&O 5250-5399 having 4-5 Dreadnaught ends.

Several other cars are new paint schemes on the IM 1937 AAR model having 4-5 Dreadnaught ends. Reservations by Sept. 30 and an ETA of March/April 2016.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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