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Brian Ehni


Re: Attending RPM meets

Charles Hladik
 

    It seems to me that almost all RPM's and most other gatherings are going modern because we (steam era folks) as a group are falling by the roadside due to health issues and even death. I don't give a hoot about the modern stuff but it is bringing a new generation to the hobby. They can go trackside and see their desires. Not sure why we go trackside and watch trains, but we do. Then go home and model REAL trains.
 
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA Lifer   
 

In a message dated 8/11/2015 11:40:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

It is VERY interesting to read the comments abou the various RPM meetings.

I would be very surprised if the leaders of other RPM meetings are not taking notes.  I know that I am.

Regards,

-Jeff Al

Clinic Chairman

Prototype Rails [Cocoa Beach] 2016


Re: St Louis RPM

Bill Welch
 

So, Tim have you got a tentative title for your presentation?

Bill Welch


Re: Walthers "Gold Line" meat reefer

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Walt,

IIRC, the URTX reefers had Duryea cushion underframes. See RMJ January 2002, page 59 for an example of how this underframe could be added.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/12/15 1:34 AM, WaltGCox@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

 I was looking for a use for a couple of the approximately 15 year old horizontal panel side cars. They look quite close to a URTX reefer in the 37000-37974 series leased to the Milwaukee Road shown in the Morning Sun color guide. Would anyone happen to know if any cars of this type were leased to the Soo Line and whether the diagonal panel roof is correct for either road. Any comments on the type of ends  used on these models would also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Walt


Walthers "Gold Line" meat reefer

Walter Cox
 

 I was looking for a use for a couple of the approximately 15 year old horizontal panel side cars. They look quite close to a URTX reefer in the 37000-37974 series leased to the Milwaukee Road shown in the Morning Sun color guide. Would anyone happen to know if any cars of this type were leased to the Soo Line and whether the diagonal panel roof is correct for either road. Any comments on the type of ends  used on these models would also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Walt 


Re: St Louis RPM

Mikebrock
 

Tim O'Connor writes:

"But it's been what, almost 20 years, the world moves on. Lots of young modelers
who are as old NOW and we were THEN so they want to model what they saw with their
own eyes.. which means 1970+/- instead of 1950+/-"

Perhaps...and certainly I have no clue what someone is selling. However, don't sell steam TOO short. Apparently the recent reincarnation of ex-N&W 611 attracted an estimated 40,000 people to trackside in VA...very similar to what we saw when it first came out under steam. Add the similar reincarnation soon of the Santa Fe 2900 class and 4449's return not to mention others such as SR's 4501. And, of course, the totally unexpected return of Big Boy 4014 and you have to wonder. Me? I'm already reserving a room in Cheyenne for 2019.

Mike Brock

As Bill says it's incumbent on steam era guys to pay it forward -- If you have
an amazing photo collection, lots of data, or just want to talk about modeling
something you love, we've got to do it -- the clock is ticking.

Tim O'


Re: Attending RPM meets

Aley, Jeff A
 

It is VERY interesting to read the comments abou the various RPM meetings.

 

I would be very surprised if the leaders of other RPM meetings are not taking notes.  I know that I am.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff Aley

Clinic Chairman

Prototype Rails [Cocoa Beach] 2016

 


Re: St Louis RPM

Tim O'Connor
 

Before, I met Richard, Tony, Mont, Clark or anyone besides Bruce Smith, Larry Kline, and Ben Hom, my original purpose of going to Naperville was to purchase Sunshine kits.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


lol -- to be sure -- Martin would bring thousands of kits and get cleaned
out in no time. Al Westerfield was also very active in the 1990's and early
2000's, and then Bob purchased the McCoy collection OMG !! there was a real
feeding frenzy. Not to mention our "clown car" trips to Des Plaines Hobbies.

But it's been what, almost 20 years, the world moves on. Lots of young modelers
who are as old NOW and we were THEN so they want to model what they saw with their
own eyes.. which means 1970+/- instead of 1950+/-

As Bill says it's incumbent on steam era guys to pay it forward -- If you have
an amazing photo collection, lots of data, or just want to talk about modeling
something you love, we've got to do it -- the clock is ticking.

Tim O'



Re: Attending RPM meets

Tom Madden
 

I can't imagine going to a meet and not presenting a clinic. In the give and take and Q&A of a clinic I usually learn more than I deliver. It also forces me to interact with people, which doesn't come naturally. Put me in a room full of strangers and I'll either have an anxiety attack or go off in a corner and mull projects and problems over in my mind. Drives my wife crazy.


This year I plan on being at Naperville/Lisle, mainly so I can spend a few days at the Newberry Library beforehand and then get together with (hopefully) Frank H., Pierre and Aaron, who can't make it to Cocoa Beach but with whom I'm involved in several projects. Like others, I sense the meet will eventually morph into more modern topics than I'm interested in, but that's Joe's thing. I first met him back in the 1980s when I was totally involved in Colorado narrow gauge and he was Mr. Intermodal. We had nothing in common, and (because of my reticence) nothing to talk about.


I was part of Martin's traveling circus of clinicians, presenting regularly at Naperville and at his two March meets in California (Monrovia and Pleasanton). In the course of that I met and came to know many of you. Great times. Joe has never contacted me about presenting, but I recently contacted him and asked if he'd be interested in my 'Designing for 3D Printing" clinic at N/L. He accepted with enthusiasm.


So we can't hold Joe completely responsible for the lack of steam/transition era presentations. If we all hold back our prophecies about the future of  Naperville/Lisle will be self-fulfilling.


See you there...


Tom Madden


Re: St Louis RPM

Brian Carlson
 

Before, I met Richard, Tony, Mont, Clark or anyone besides Bruce Smith, Larry Kline, and Ben Hom, my original purpose of going to Naperville was to purchase Sunshine kits.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 

Pierre

I'm not sure why, but attendance at Naperville last year was the lowest
I've ever experienced -- just over 200 people. I thought it might be the
economy, and also we had recently lost Richard Hendrickson, but it was
still a good meet with good clinics -- some definitely very good. But it
does seem like St Louis is attracting a higher energy crowd -- and it is
more centrally


Re: Attending RPM meets

Dave Owens
 

Andy, et al:

I'm one of the guys who organizes the meet in Connecticut each spring. We do not intentionally focusing on modern modeling. We value all eras and would be very happy to present steam era clinics as well as modern.

If anyone has a steam-era clinic and would like to come to our meet in 2016, we'd love to have you. We thank our presenters by giving them free admission and an honorarium.

Our meet, as always, is scheduled for the weekend after Memorial Day, which in 2016 is June 3-4.

All the best,

Dave Owens


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Stuff does not happen in a vacuum: why is attendance down for consecutive years at Naperville? I, like many others, valued Naperville for the schmoozing of a great many fellow modelers, with attending featured clinics on an available time basis.

My last visit to Naperville I saw a clinic listing as "Santa Fe into Chicago". I thought this was worth attending. Imagine my dismay when the presenter was showing an in-cab ride from Central Illinois into Chicago, complete with the pictures and narration of each train encountered, IN 2004! There wasn't even a Santa Fe at that late date. Martin would have NEVER let that occur at one of his meets. Maybe I should have read the clinic listing which had not been as important years earlier.

People generally like to go where they are comfortable. I get less and less comfortable at each succeeding  Naperville event. I believe that Joe is cool with the idea that Martin's event is morphing into a modern RPM, and as stated earlier, there are TONS of modern RPM meets across the country, which is why for every single STMFC loss at Naperville, there is less than one (modern) replacment.

I don't believe that I have any special ability to read the future, but the current eroding lower turnout for Naperville was easily predicted 4-5 years ago.

I am grateful that the spirit of Martin (and Naperville) survives in Cocoa Beach. I just wish C.B. was more centrally located. I look forward to attending my 1st St Louis meet.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:21 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Attending RPM meets

 
I have to say that is not my experience at all at Lisle, formerly Naperville in terms of seeing more modern topics and models. As Tony and I have noted Joe does not seem to be recruiting new people of any era. That does not mean there is mediocre content, it just means it is often the "usual suspects." Hence my plea for "P(l)aying it Forward. Frankly I miss the Freight Car Content of the olden days.

I am sorry people feel driven away but then again maybe some of them could contact Joe about doing a presentation and be part of the solution.

Bill Welch






Attending RPM meets

Andy Carlson
 

Stuff does not happen in a vacuum: why is attendance down for consecutive years at Naperville? I, like many others, valued Naperville for the schmoozing of a great many fellow modelers, with attending featured clinics on an available time basis.

My last visit to Naperville I saw a clinic listing as "Santa Fe into Chicago". I thought this was worth attending. Imagine my dismay when the presenter was showing an in-cab ride from Central Illinois into Chicago, complete with the pictures and narration of each train encountered, IN 2004! There wasn't even a Santa Fe at that late date. Martin would have NEVER let that occur at one of his meets. Maybe I should have read the clinic listing which had not been as important years earlier.

People generally like to go where they are comfortable. I get less and less comfortable at each succeeding  Naperville event. I believe that Joe is cool with the idea that Martin's event is morphing into a modern RPM, and as stated earlier, there are TONS of modern RPM meets across the country, which is why for every single STMFC loss at Naperville, there is less than one (modern) replacment.

I don't believe that I have any special ability to read the future, but the current eroding lower turnout for Naperville was easily predicted 4-5 years ago.

I am grateful that the spirit of Martin (and Naperville) survives in Cocoa Beach. I just wish C.B. was more centrally located. I look forward to attending my 1st St Louis meet.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 6:21 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Attending RPM meets

 
I have to say that is not my experience at all at Lisle, formerly Naperville in terms of seeing more modern topics and models. As Tony and I have noted Joe does not seem to be recruiting new people of any era. That does not mean there is mediocre content, it just means it is often the "usual suspects." Hence my plea for "P(l)aying it Forward. Frankly I miss the Freight Car Content of the olden days.

I am sorry people feel driven away but then again maybe some of them could contact Joe about doing a presentation and be part of the solution.

Bill Welch



Re: Attending RPM meets

Bill Welch
 

I have to say that is not my experience at all at Lisle, formerly Naperville in terms of seeing more modern topics and models. As Tony and I have noted Joe does not seem to be recruiting new people of any era. That does not mean there is mediocre content, it just means it is often the "usual suspects." Hence my plea for "P(l)aying it Forward. Frankly I miss the Freight Car Content of the olden days.

I am sorry people feel driven away but then again maybe some of them could contact Joe about doing a presentation and be part of the solution.

Bill Welch


Re: St Louis RPM

riverman_vt@...
 

Actually Tim the geographical center of the lower 48 is somewhere in Kansas
but you are, as we used to say, close enough for highway, err make that railroad, 
work. And cheer up as I couldn't make St. Louis/Collinsville either. Sort of like 
the Boston Red Flops.....Wait until next year!

My best, Don Valentine


Re: STL RPM 2015 - Thanks!

dh30973
 

Having been to many RPM Meets; Naperville, Cocoa Beach, WPM, BAPM etc, this years St Louis meet has to be at or near the the top of the list. Granted there is only clinic going on at a time, BUT, everything is in ONE big room, vendors, historical societies, manufacturers, photo sellers, weathering, N Scale Module and 1950 plus models and food outside.. It gives people a chance to interact that didn't go off to a clinic. Two days for $25 plus one door prize ticket. They said they gave away 260 items to the 385 attendees. Pretty good odds.

 

The recent Naperville hotel is a hike from the clinic rooms to the almost empty Vendor room or Model room. You never see anyone. Cocoa Beach is better in that respect, but the model /vendor room is much smaller. Tim points out the social aspect of these meeets, and St Louis really accomplishes it.

 

Dave Hussey

No pictures from me this year


Attending RPM meets

Andy Carlson
 

I have attended many RPM meets, and it takes more than a short-drive local event to encourage me to attend. After being royally spoiled by the many Naperville events I have attended, I earlier tried a Pacific Northwest and SF bay area RPMs, and the Western RPM meet (formerly a WP modeling event). I will not make any efforts to return to any of them.

Unlike Naperville (And thankfully Cocoa Beach) all of the other RPMs seem to attract modern modelers. I am not against modern modeling intrinsically, just like it in moderate doses. Martin's Naperville had by far a greater percentage of STMFC stuff than modern. After Joe took over the reins, I see the event morphing into something like all of the other RPMs--modern to the near-exclusion of steam-era stuff. While some may note that it is up to the modelers to bring stuff, but I see the emphasis/promotion of modern era representation to the point that I don't really expect to attend another Naperville.

Fortunately, as the Naperville meet declines, Cocoa Beach is on the ascendency and it reminds me of Naperville of a decade ago. I do feel that the great Naperville event was sort of an equivalent of a hostage takeover. With so many RPMs being so tilted towards more modern stuff, I can see that the folks driven away from Naperville are not being replaced on a one-on-one basis, hence the decline in attendance. I actually feel anger at what has happened to Naperville. I wish that Martin had selected another promoter to replace himself.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
 


One of the great attractions of so many RPM now taking place is that more “locals” can attend one near them. It is no longer necessary to go to Naperville.
 
Doug Harding

 



Collinsville, IL RPM Report

Andy Carlson
 

Bill-
You wrote about purchasing a GREX air brush.

I have used my Paasche V-1(3) single action AB since the 1970s and I have been pleased for the most part with it. I had purchased a double action/internal mix Badger sometime in the early 1990s and never felt comfortable with it, so it was rarely used after my 1st experience with it.

A few years ago, there was a Great Train Show type of event at our local fairgrounds. GREX was an exhibitor there, and they had an artist's tear-off page easel which was used for demos of their airbrushes. I was encouraged to give one a try, and lo and behold--it was so intuitive and smooth that I purchased right there on the spot.I too, purchased a quick disconnect and several other accessories. I have never tried an Iwatta, and it seems to be a favorite of many, but like a Highliners F unit is so good, I have no need to try something else. Thats what I feel about the GREX.
-Andy


From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 1:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Collinsville, IL RPM Report

 
I thought I would try to tell interested modelers about my experience at the recent RPM event at Collinsville, IL  co-ordinated by John Golden and his Posse. Since it was my first time, I was intrigued that there was only one Clinic going on at a time and thought perhaps the facility did not have enough room for more than one. As it turns out unlike Naperville/Lisle and Cocoa Beach, Collinsville intentionally only offers one Clinic at a time so that people have more time to look at models, shop, talk to each other or do like I did and spend much of Friday weathering a Central of Georgia 50-ft PS-1 CofG 5509 weathering


 with the guidance of Dave Schroedle. I also made a connection with fellow Dodgers fan Gary Christensen from the Weathering Shop. 

There were many beautiful models as John Golden has shared with us. It was especially nice to see more of Jack Spencer's incredible skills at super detailing freight car models, and someone's A-B-A set of M&StL FTs realistically weathered. Bob's, Mainline, and Big-Four were selling photos and I dropped some coins there. Resinators were pleased with Chad Boas, Resin Car Works/Frank Hodina, Yarmouth Model Works/Pierre Oliver, and Funaro & Camerlengo all selling our favored medium. I purchased  7K and 8k Acid Tank car kits from RCW (the 8K kit has three different domes) and parts fo! r a Charleston & Western Carolina autocar based on a steel rebuild of a SS car from Chad. I started working on the C&WC casting Monday morning. I also bought the decals for the car done by Musk Island, the first of his product I have purchased. Chad is working on three flats I think he said, one of which represents a short steel cast flat. I decided to wait until October and N/L to purchased one of YMW's ATSF 12-panel ATSF post-WWII steel boxcars. The patterns for these cars were done by Aaron Gjermundson and he has captured the look of these cars beautifully. Particularly notable to me is how he captured the variations of the tabs along the sill. The kits cover Bx-48, -50, -51, -53, -60, -62 and -63 classes. One thing to be aware of is that RCW kits are very much Limited Production. If you want one, you better order it soon!

Much to the amusement (and undoubtedly to the mystification) of my friends at Collinsville I did purchase yet another Airbrush. I had been hearing the GREX "Siren's Song" from afar for awhile now but when I was in the same room with them it was hard to resist, especially when I got the "pistol gripped" Tritium.TG in my hand. It was very impressive that GREX's national Sales Representative Bryant Dunbar was there supporting their dealer Chris Merseal/CRM Hobbies (http://www.crmhobbies.com/). I was not the only one seduced as Mr. Merseal sold out of his pistol grip models and took at least two orders for them. One modeling friend was right behind me to buy one and later I saw another friend trying one out after i showed him mine. I tried to keep Badger's John Lee from pouting by reassuring him my Badger 155 Anthem will still be my workhorse. CRM is primarily a Military Model hobby shop but they carry all of the Tru-Color line of paints. My GREX came with a .3mm needle/nozzle set up and I purchased .2mm, .5mm, and .7mm needle/nozzle set ups and a Quick Disconnect fitting. I purchased it for slightly less than t! he best price I have found online. Here is a photo of my GREX: https://www.dropbox.com/s/n2rwos5dhjwej2e/GREX%20Tritium.TG%20.JPG?dl=0
 
Back to the format of the meet. It really works. There were at least 300 people on Friday which meant if the clinic room was at its capacity of 80 that well over 200 people were shopping, looking, and talking to each other. Personally I was not impressed with the offerings of the Small Tool dealer. Tangent offered no hints on upcoming releases but many were thinking it will be another tank car. I did see the new Kadee 11k tank car and I learned that Broadway Limited has wisely engaged a well known Freight Car historian to consult for their announced tank car project.

Finally towards the end of the event, several of us were wondering where the heck is Frank Peacock?!

Bill Welch




Re: St Louis RPM & RPM Status—Play It Forward

Bill Welch
 

Regarding RPM's lets not forget the meets that alternate between the Philadelphia area and the Pittsburg area in March usually I think. I agree with Tony about Joe's passive recruiting style. Martin was really good at recruiting people none of us knew plus he clearly created something that spawned the other events like Cocoa Beach and the Collinsvilles.

I would add that Pierre Oliver's observation earlier today about complaints about the decline in the quality of content or words to that effect if I understood Pierre's comments correctly is so on target. I have to believe that there are several people on this list are capable of doing a presentation or at least making a contribution to a Blog like on Resin Car Works website. Imagine that if half of the people that had models at Collinsville wrote up something about what they did, how much richer we would be and multiply that by Cocoa Beach, Lisle, Collinsville, CT, Pittsburg/Philadelphia.

What I am saying is please start "Playing it Forward." Please somebody start with "Northeastern Boxcars Beyond NYC/B&O/PRR: All Those Other RR's"

Bill Welch


Re: St Louis RPM

Tim O'Connor
 

Doug Harding wrote

> Tony I concur on Cocoa Beach ... locals ... make up a significant portion of
> the Naperville crowd ... It is no longer necessary to go to Naperville.

Hmmm... The only reason I originally met Richard Hendrickson, Tony Thompson, Tom Madden,
Bill Welch, Frank Hodina, Jerry Stewart, Andy Carlson, Dave Hussey, David Lehlbach, and
MANY other people -- many people who I now consider to be friends and not just pen pals,
is because I met them all at Naperville! I've gone to Cocoa and Timonium and Collinsville
(Connecticut!) and those are great places to meet people too.

I guess my point is that for me the big attraction is fellowship, not just information
sharing or show-and-tell and definitely not just a local swap meet. Heck, I met Staffan
Ehnbom at Naperville and he's from where, Sweden?

Anyway, let's not kill off having a Chicago-area national RPM meet. Chicago is a fantastic
railroad town and there are a LOT of attractions in the area as well as some of the world's
greatest model railroads -- Dan Holbrook's and Bill Darnaby's to name just two. I know that
several post-STMFC modelers stopped going to Naperville because they felt excluded when
Martin was running it, and that's not good for RPM. But the point about having the show be
run by someone local is a good one, I think. Mike Brock anchors Cocoa, John Golden has made
St Louis into a great event, David Owens is the energy behind Collinsville CT, and so on.
Hopefully someone in Chicago/Midwest will step up and put the energy back into that venue.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Collinsville, IL RPM Report

Bill Welch
 

They are from the Microscale CofG boxcar decal set.

Bill

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