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Re: Central Valley NP stock car model

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

I noted that the decals for these cars are out of stock.

Does anyone else do decals for these stock cars?

Cheers

Dave North

 

 

Re: Walthers 3 Compartment Car was Type 21 tank car - now the non-insulated ones

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I fully agree that the underframe is from the old “GATX” style tank car, but I don’t recall the 3 compartment tank and did not see any example like it in the three old Walthers catalogs that I still hand onto.  Perhaps that is new(er) tooling?  I don’t get any hits on eBay either for a 3 compartment Walthers tank car.  Perhaps the web site is just a bit ahead of the NMRA train show announcements.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:47 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Type 21 tank car - now the non-insulated ones

 

 

To be 100% clear, since the subject says Type 21, this car is NOT a Type 21, but rather a poor rendition of a GATC underframe and what appears to be a minimally detailed 3 dome body, which are, as noted by others, Walthers old kit now being sold in RTR form.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:55 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Type 21 tank car - now the non-insulated ones



Yes, it appears to be a new, and somewhat large, tank placed on their existing 10000 gallon underframe.

WalthersMainline 1100 - 36' 3-Dome Tank Car - Ready to Run - Undecorated (910-1100) - Walthers Model Railroading

 

 

WalthersMainline 1100 - 36' 3-Dome Tank Car - Ready to Run - Undecorated (910-1100) - Walthe...

© Copyright 2015, Wm. K. Walthers, Inc. -- All Rights Reserved.

 

 

 

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Steve Hile

Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The answer to these questions is somewhat complicated.

 

The Shapeways underframe was (apparently) designed to work with the MDC tank (and it does.)  This represents one of the earlier builds of Class X cars by UTLX circa 1904 with 5 radial courses in the upper portion of the tank and a nominal capacity of 6100 gallons.  Later construction of both Class X and Class V (frameless, Van Dyke cars) appear to be more frequently 6500 gallon capacity and with 3 radial courses, instead of 5.  The Precision Scale tank models this configuration as some of these cars were the ones that were later equipped for use on the D&RGW narrow gauge lines.  This tank is slightly larger in diameter and shorter in length, so it doesn’t really match the Shapeways frame.

 

(At one time, I thought that Bruce Smith was pursuing a modification to that frame to match the Precision Scale tank.  I don’t know what ever came of that possibility.)

 

So, the image of UTLX 58041 is of a car with the three instead of the five course tank.  I don’t have the Classic Freight Cars Vol. 2 to compare, but 57801 falls into the same series in the 1952 roster document recently shared on this list.  So, it is likely similar.  Cars in this series have internal heating coils that reduce their capacity somewhat.

 

Complicating matters is the fact that UTL instituted a general renumbering of cars around the same time as they were separated from Standard Oil, so it is difficult to track cars from older builder’s photos to in service applications.  I could not find any examples of 5 radial course, 6100 gallon cars among the items I have been collecting for research.

 

Using the 1936 tank car tariff document (thanks to Ian Cranstone) I can identify a relatively small number of 6100 gallon nominal capacity cars that were still around in the 1952 listing and are identified as Class X.  They were numbered between 13288 and 14015 (but only 42 car numbers in this series.)  The 52 roster closes the range to 13870 to 13904, but does not really state how many cars fall into that group, only that they all use the same Outage Table and Dome Capacity per inch.  If I were going to do a 1952 version of the MDC tank and Shapeways underframe, I would probably choose a number in this series.

 

I recently complete a long standing project to model one of the 3 course tanks from the Precision Scale kit (tank and details) and a kitbashed underframe using Tichy, Accurail Scale Coupler boxes, and parts of the Precision Sale saddles.  You can see it from Collinsville at

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/35369592@N06/19810674764/in/album-72157656596137919/

 

I certainly hope that we will someday have some more options for UTLX Class X cars (in a variety of sizes) from Resin Car Works.

 

I hope that this helps.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:54 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

 

 

Classic Freight Cars, Vol. 2, Tank cars, has a photo of UTLX 57801. How
close is that?

Or http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=utlx58041
&o=utlx

I also have Ted Culotta's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 2
with photos beginning p. 70.

I am looking for a good ID and number before I order from Shapeways.

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

This is one that I have done. See

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/photos/photostream/lightbox/183619
4381?orderBy=mtime
94381?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL>
&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL

for before painting and

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014/image/157079725

for it at Collinsville, last year. It is an interesting project.

Regards,

Steve Hile

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

It's interesting how someone has answered the questions about the "Old
Timer" model before they could be asked. Has anyone built the model using
the Shapeways frame and walkway? I have too many projects or I'd give it a
go. Looks like it would make into a neat model.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

James SANDIFER
 

Classic Freight Cars, Vol. 2, Tank cars, has a photo of UTLX 57801. How
close is that?

Or http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=utlx58041
<http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=utlx58041&o=utlx> &o=utlx

I also have Ted Culotta's Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, Vol. 2
with photos beginning p. 70.



I am looking for a good ID and number before I order from Shapeways.



__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car





This is one that I have done. See



https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/photos/photostream/lightbox/183619
4381?orderBy=mtime
<https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/photos/photostream/lightbox/18361
94381?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL>
&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL



for before painting and



http://www.pbase.com/golden1014/image/157079725



for it at Collinsville, last year. It is an interesting project.



Regards,

Steve Hile







_____

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car





It's interesting how someone has answered the questions about the "Old
Timer" model before they could be asked. Has anyone built the model using
the Shapeways frame and walkway? I have too many projects or I'd give it a
go. Looks like it would make into a neat model.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: Type 21 tank car - now the non-insulated ones

Bruce Smith
 

To be 100% clear, since the subject says Type 21, this car is NOT a Type 21, but rather a poor rendition of a GATC underframe and what appears to be a minimally detailed 3 dome body, which are, as noted by others, Walthers old kit now being sold in RTR form.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Type 21 tank car - now the non-insulated ones



Yes, it appears to be a new, and somewhat large, tank placed on their existing 10000 gallon underframe.

WalthersMainline 1100 - 36' 3-Dome Tank Car - Ready to Run - Undecorated (910-1100) - Walthers Model Railroading

 

Steve Hile

Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

John
 

I've finished one, except for lettering.  I may do another, but with a tank from a PSC narrow frame HOn3 car.  That tank has three sections, like most of the prototypes I've seen in photos.  The Roundhouse tank has five sections, like the drawing in the 1906 CBD.

John Bopp
Farmington Hills, MI



On Aug 23, 2015, at 3:42 PM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

It’s interesting how someone has answered the questions about the “Old Timer” model before they could be asked. Has anyone built the model using the Shapeways frame and walkway? I have too many projects or I’d give it a go. Looks like it would make into a neat model.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: Central Valley NP stock car model

mopacfirst
 

I just did that too, so since I only need one car I'd probably be willing to part with the others.

Modeling central Kansas, but in stock season anything could show up.....


Ron Merrick

Re: Rattle can boxcar red

mopacfirst
 

Krylon Primer -- that's a good hint.  I'll look for it.

Ron Merrick

Re: Central Valley NP stock car model

Richard Townsend
 

What I bought was one package that had four pairs of ends, so enough to do four cars.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2015 11:03 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Central Valley NP stock car model

 
On 8/23/2015 9:11 AM, rwitt_2000@... [STMFC] wrote:
This topic was discussed several times on the list.

Here's is a comment from Ben Hom and the link to NP Society web page.  The Northern Pacific Railway Historical Association sells replacement ends for the Central Valley model to help correct the width of the model.

     If I were to buy these it would be good to know how many I am getting.  The picture shows a pair, quantity is one which could be a pair or a package.  The text says a package of 4 pairs (do four cars).

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Rattle can boxcar red

Charles Peck
 

I use Krylon and Rustoleum primers for old rust and aged brick colors. Quite flat and
a lot cheaper than most model paints. Not quite as oxide red as some like.
Rustoleum also has a black primer with a flat weathered black look.
Chuck Peck in FL

On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 6:58 PM, ron.merrick@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I have often felt that it's too much trouble to get out the airbrush when I'm painting small detail parts, for instance trucks and couplers.  I may paint, for instance, a dozen Kadee couplers by putting them on masking tape so the business end sticks out, or a couple pairs of trucks for current projects, by whipping out the rattle can. 

Black, no problem.  In the post-Floquil world, I have Testors Model Master and even Krylon flat black that work perfectly well. 

Boxcar red, ummmm.  I have a dwindling supply of a couple of cans of Floquil, but I'd like to convert for future use.  And, even better, would be if there are a couple other reds available.  At least, for a steam-era modeler, those blacks and reds are pretty much the color palette for bulk painting.

All I see in the various paint lines are really red reds, tending toward fire engine red.  Even the military lines don't seem to have much.  And most of these colors are gloss, which I would rather not use.  I've found a couple of Testors colors in a bottle, which suit me pretty well for painting underframe details, lift bars and so on.  And, I'm primarily using Tru-Color for general brush painting.  But couplers and trucks, especially, really need to be sprayed. 

Bear in mind, I can't see reds very well due to my colorblindness, which is a specific type that doesn't pick up reds.  I also can't see pastels and fine color variations very well, so I need more help than average. 

I've read some previous threads on this issue and didn't really find anything that was of much use to me, for the rattle can problem.  Suggestions are welcome.

Ron Merrick



Re: Rattle can boxcar red

Eric Hansmann
 

Ron,

I use a few steps to paint trucks. I've been using craft paint to add color, usually by rolling a Q-Tip with the color onto the surface. More detail can be found here on my blog. 


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Aug 23, 2015, at 4:58 PM, ron.merrick@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I have often felt that it's too much trouble to get out the airbrush when I'm painting small detail parts, for instance trucks and couplers.  I may paint, for instance, a dozen Kadee couplers by putting them on masking tape so the business end sticks out, or a couple pairs of trucks for current projects, by whipping out the rattle can. 

Black, no problem.  In the post-Floquil world, I have Testors Model Master and even Krylon flat black that work perfectly well. 

Boxcar red, ummmm.  I have a dwindling supply of a couple of cans of Floquil, but I'd like to convert for future use.  And, even better, would be if there are a couple other reds available.  At least, for a steam-era modeler, those blacks and reds are pretty much the color palette for bulk painting.

All I see in the various paint lines are really red reds, tending toward fire engine red.  Even the military lines don't seem to have much.  And most of these colors are gloss, which I would rather not use.  I've found a couple of Testors colors in a bottle, which suit me pretty well for painting underframe details, lift bars and so on.  And, I'm primarily using Tru-Color for general brush painting.  But couplers and trucks, especially, really need to be sprayed. 

Bear in mind, I can't see reds very well due to my colorblindness, which is a specific type that doesn't pick up reds.  I also can't see pastels and fine color variations very well, so I need more help than average. 

I've read some previous threads on this issue and didn't really find anything that was of much use to me, for the rattle can problem.  Suggestions are welcome.

Ron Merrick


Re: Rattle can boxcar red

Richard Townsend
 

Krylon makes a "Primer" in a color that looks like a pretty good boxcar red to me. I have used it and am happy with the results.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: ron.merrick@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2015 3:58 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Rattle can boxcar red

 
I have often felt that it's too much trouble to get out the airbrush when I'm painting small detail parts, for instance trucks and couplers.  I may paint, for instance, a dozen Kadee couplers by putting them on masking tape so the business end sticks out, or a couple pairs of trucks for current projects, by whipping out the rattle can. 

Black, no problem.  In the post-Floquil world, I have Testors Model Master and even Krylon flat black that work perfectly well. 

Boxcar red, ummmm.  I have a dwindling supply of a couple of cans of Floquil, but I'd like to convert for future use.  And, even better, would be if there are a couple other reds available.  At least, for a steam-era modeler, those blacks and reds are pretty much the color palette for bulk painting.

All I see in the various paint lines are really red reds, tending toward fire engine red.  Even the military lines don't seem to have much.  And most of these colors are gloss, which I would rather not use.  I've found a couple of Testors colors in a bottle, which suit me pretty well for painting underframe details, lift bars and so on.  And, I'm primarily using Tru-Color for general brush painting.  But couplers and trucks, especially, really need to be sprayed. 

Bear in mind, I can't see reds very well due to my colorblindness, which is a specific type that doesn't pick up reds.  I also can't see pastels and fine color variations very well, so I need more help than average. 

I've read some previous threads on this issue and didn't really find anything that was of much use to me, for the rattle can problem.  Suggestions are welcome.

Ron Merrick

Re: Rattle can boxcar red

al_brown03
 

I use rattle cans whenever I can, due to my utter lack of any skill with an airbrush. I find that Scalecoat II BCR is a similar color to Floquil BCR, but of course Scalecoat is glossy where Floquil was dead flat. (I don't know of a currently-offered flat BCR, so I don't really know whether this post is responsive to Mr Merrick or not.) Anyway, Scalecoat II BCR weathers funny, too: Floquil BCR could be weathered nicely with powdered chalks, but chalks on Scalecoat II BCR disappear when hit with Dullcote. To weather Scalecoat II BCR requires Bragdon powders, which I think of as the cavalry of weathering. :-) (When chalks won't weather, Bragdon to the rescue! <music>)


Once Scalecoat II BCR is weathered, though, it's essentially indistinguishable from Floquil BCR weathered.


Curiously, Scalecoat II *Oxide* Red weathers A-O-K with powdered chalks. I have no idea why the difference.


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: Central Valley NP stock car model

Rufus Cone
 

Bill Welch wrote, asking about the modeling article:
does the magazine article offer any history of the NP's stock cars or prototype photos.

Bill Welch
A separate earlier issue - Volume 6 #2 - of the NPRHA Mainstreeter magazine is available to anyone from the NPRHA company store as a reprint; it features illustrated articles about NP stock cars and stock car operations, loading chutes, etc. Membership is not required to purchase this.
http://www1.storehost.com/stores/xq/xfm/store_id.615/page_id.23/Item_ID.106852/parent_ids.0,0,4/qx/store.htm


An independently maintained 1981-1991 Subject Index of NPRHA articles may be of interest to some, as other STMFC topics are covered
http://pw2.netcom.com/~whstlpnk/stsubject.html

--
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT

--
Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT

Re: Rattle can boxcar red

Pierre Oliver
 

Check out the primer red colours. There seems to be a good variety in that colour
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 8/23/15 6:58 PM, ron.merrick@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I have often felt that it's too much trouble to get out the airbrush when I'm painting small detail parts, for instance trucks and couplers.  I may paint, for instance, a dozen Kadee couplers by putting them on masking tape so the business end sticks out, or a couple pairs of trucks for current projects, by whipping out the rattle can. 

Black, no problem.  In the post-Floquil world, I have Testors Model Master and even Krylon flat black that work perfectly well. 

Boxcar red, ummmm.  I have a dwindling supply of a couple of cans of Floquil, but I'd like to convert for future use.  And, even better, would be if there are a couple other reds available.  At least, for a steam-era modeler, those blacks and reds are pretty much the color palette for bulk painting.

All I see in the various paint lines are really red reds, tending toward fire engine red.  Even the military lines don't seem to have much.  And most of these colors are gloss, which I would rather not use.  I've found a couple of Testors colors in a bottle, which suit me pretty well for painting underframe details, lift bars and so on.  And, I'm primarily using Tru-Color for general brush painting.  But couplers and trucks, especially, really need to be sprayed. 

Bear in mind, I can't see reds very well due to my colorblindness, which is a specific type that doesn't pick up reds.  I also can't see pastels and fine color variations very well, so I need more help than average. 

I've read some previous threads on this issue and didn't really find anything that was of much use to me, for the rattle can problem.  Suggestions are welcome.

Ron Merrick



Rattle can boxcar red

mopacfirst
 

I have often felt that it's too much trouble to get out the airbrush when I'm painting small detail parts, for instance trucks and couplers.  I may paint, for instance, a dozen Kadee couplers by putting them on masking tape so the business end sticks out, or a couple pairs of trucks for current projects, by whipping out the rattle can. 

Black, no problem.  In the post-Floquil world, I have Testors Model Master and even Krylon flat black that work perfectly well. 

Boxcar red, ummmm.  I have a dwindling supply of a couple of cans of Floquil, but I'd like to convert for future use.  And, even better, would be if there are a couple other reds available.  At least, for a steam-era modeler, those blacks and reds are pretty much the color palette for bulk painting.

All I see in the various paint lines are really red reds, tending toward fire engine red.  Even the military lines don't seem to have much.  And most of these colors are gloss, which I would rather not use.  I've found a couple of Testors colors in a bottle, which suit me pretty well for painting underframe details, lift bars and so on.  And, I'm primarily using Tru-Color for general brush painting.  But couplers and trucks, especially, really need to be sprayed. 

Bear in mind, I can't see reds very well due to my colorblindness, which is a specific type that doesn't pick up reds.  I also can't see pastels and fine color variations very well, so I need more help than average. 

I've read some previous threads on this issue and didn't really find anything that was of much use to me, for the rattle can problem.  Suggestions are welcome.

Ron Merrick


Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

This is one that I have done.  See

 

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/photos/photostream/lightbox/1836194381?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL

 

for before painting and

 

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014/image/157079725

 

for it at Collinsville, last year.  It is an interesting project.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

 

 

It’s interesting how someone has answered the questions about the “Old Timer” model before they could be asked. Has anyone built the model using the Shapeways frame and walkway? I have too many projects or I’d give it a go. Looks like it would make into a neat model.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: PFE R-70-2 -> more questions

vapeurchapelon
 

Many thanks for your replies, Mike and Garth. I still hope that somebody else can answer to my other questions which are the very last ones to get the cars done.

Garth, many thanks, too for your nomenclature note. Yes I am living in Germany, so my English sometimes makes some "trouble".
With your hint on Red Caboose I remembered them well since I have built a lot of them - all PFE, different paint schemes. I still have to look for the left-over parts of the kits. Maybe I have luck. Actually there will be 8 of the R70-2 cars, and 3 of them will be of the rebuilt version.
I have had INTERMOUNTAIN to send me replacement parts for about 20 R-40-10 or -23 reefer kits since those parts were all defective. That was no problem. But it was about 7 or 8 years ago. I will try again (and let you know) when I don't have enough Red Caboose parts.

(The close fitting hatch-plugs I think came with the R-40-10 kits - these were grey rectangular blocks. Almost all of my PFE kits I built with open hatch covers. I just looks great to me.)

Thanks again!

Johannes Markwart

Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

Joseph
 


I am part way through mine.  Hope to finifsh before the next millenium...
Joe Binish
No Hope , MN

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 2:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

It’s interesting how someone has answered the questions about the “Old Timer” model before they could be asked. Has anyone built the model using the Shapeways frame and walkway? I have too many projects or I’d give it a go. Looks like it would make into a neat model.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

RPM op session Lisle/Naperville

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello Everyone,

For your planing concerning the upcoming Lisle/Naperville RPM meet on Oct 22 to 24, 2015, I will host a operating session on Sunday Oct 25 from 9 AM to 1 PM.  The prototype based, dual level railroad, has a 900 foot mainline for running freight and passenger trains at a relaxed pace.  No prior experience is necessary.  You will see many scratchbuilt and urethane models of freight cars on the railroad, along with common brass and plastic models.

To sign up, contact me off line and change the subject line to "RPM op session".

Ted Schnepf
railsunl@...