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Is this Prototypical

rob.mclear3@...
 

Hello

For some time I have wanted to get hold of a yellow MKT car for my 1947 Cajon Pass freights.   Intermountain have released a double door boxcar which I found listed on ebay recently here InterMountain HO RR-38580 MKT Yellow 1937 AAR Double Door Boxcar

 

My question is is this anywhere near prototypical or a wanna be.   It doesn't have to be 100% (can't believe I'm saying that) but is it anywhere near close.   Not being an MKT modeller my knowledge of their cars and paint schemes is limited.   Any help would be appreciated.


Rob McLear

Australia.


Re: Books for CP Boxcars

WaltGCox@...
 

I just pulled my copy of the Morning  Sun Canadian Pacific color guide to freight and passenger equipment and it has a photo of  191220 from the same 170069-193121 series as 176743. These were six panel 36' foot Dominion or Fowler cars.
Walt
 

In a message dated 8/26/2015 10:22:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

 There any "go to" books or magazine articles for CP cars Single sheathed box cars?  Looking for information on car number 176743 I found a picture of surfing around the internet.

 

Thanks

Scott McDonald


Some nice images of IC steam era freight cars...

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Re: DL&W 51000 Series Boxcars

MDelvec952
 


Roofage was brown; Glidden No.204 standard brown according to the bill of materials records via Ed Hawkins.

IMWX offered the DL&W cars in the as-delivered 49000-series. I have a couple of sets of each number, and a bunch of undecs that I painted using the same Dupont Centari paint we mixed to match original fabric while restoring our DL&W caboose. The best decals for DL&W at the time were the CDS try transfers, which are opaque and look great. Prime Mover Decals has (or will have) good decals.

The IMWX cars out of the box are only correct for the 49000-series. The 51000-series cars did not have poling pockets, though they were the first cars to wear the Phoebe billboard.

I have duplicate numbers and won't build them all. But if you want one send me your address off list and I'll mail you one.

               ....Mike Del Vecchio



-----Original Message-----
From: johnsykesiii@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2015 10:05 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: DL&W 51000 Series Boxcars

 
Mike:

Then it is safe to assume that the roofs were brown too (no black roof cement)?  I think I could see from some of the pics that galvanized roofs (later) were left unpainted.

--John

P.S.  IMWX made some nice cars, but all mine are undec's.  Or did you decal yours?  If so, where the heck did you get DL&W boxcar decals??? Champs (I have some) were the 1955 scheme.

P.P.S.  I've had lots of parts broken off by the ham-fister members of the RR club down here, they do not appreciate prototype models.


Re: DL&W 51000 Series Boxcars

John Sykes III
 

Mike:

Then it is safe to assume that the roofs were brown too (no black roof cement)?  I think I could see from some of the pics that galvanized roofs (later) were left unpainted.

--John

P.S.  IMWX made some nice cars, but all mine are undec's.  Or did you decal yours?  If so, where the heck did you get DL&W boxcar decals??? Champs (I have some) were the 1955 scheme.

P.P.S.  I've had lots of parts broken off by the ham-fister members of the RR club down here, they do not appreciate prototype models.


Re: PS PS-3 open top hoppers

Justin May <jmay59@...>
 

I'm looking for an ownership list of the 3 pocket 70 ton version of the Pullman Standard PS-3 16 rib open top hopper. I know the L&N had large fleets of both this car and the 2 pocket version.
Bill,
The following roads and successors rostered the 2750 cubic foot 70-77 ton and 2960 85 ton variants:

Atlantic Coast Line (SCL)
Alaska Railroad
Boston and Maine
DT&I
Great Northern (BN)
L&N
Rock Island (ROCK)
Southern Railway (ACF built clones)
Utah Railway


Justin May


Re: Books for CP Boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Here’s another article to add to the list.

 

Swain, Stafford, “CP Dominion Car Modeling: Westerfield tips”

Mainline Modeler August 1985, p. 68

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Books for CP Boxcars

 



Scot,

Don't know of any books, though I'm sure there are some someplace. But articles I've got:

Hendrickson, Richard. "40-Foot Single-Sheathed Z-Braced Box Cars, Part I: The Single-Door Cars."
RAILMODEL JOURNAL, February 1993. Richard's article covers more than just Canadian cars, and is largely about cars that can be converted using Accurail kits.

Hendrickson, Richard. "40-Foot Single-Sheathed Z-Braced Box Cars, Part II: The 1 1/2-Door Cars . . . ," RAILMODEL JOURNAL, April 1993. This is about GTW cars.

Swain, Stafford. "Canadian National 1929 Standard 40-Foot Box Car from Steam Shack's HO Scale Kit," RAILMODEL JOURNAL, June 1994.

Swain, Stafford. "Modeling 40-foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part I: Type A and Type B Cars in HO scale from Accurail, Des Plaines Hobbies & Sylvan Scale Models Kits," RAILMODEL JOURNAL , October 2000.

Swain, Stafford. "Modeling 40-foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part II: Type C and Type D Cars in HO Scale from Accurail Kits," RAILMODEL JOURNAL, January 2001.

Swain, Stafford. "Modeling 40-foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III: Type E Cars in HO Scale from Steam Shack Kits," RAILMODEL JOURNAL, February 2001.

Chambers, J.A. "Back-dating a CN 60-ton single-sheathed Boxcar," RAILROAD MODEL CRAFTSMAN, September 1998. This article is about reworking an Accurail model.

Culotta, Ted. "Essential Freight Cars:8; CN's 1929 Single-Sheathed Boxcars," RAILROAD MODEL CRAFTSMAN, November 2003.

Hendrickson, Richard. "USRA Single-Sheathed 40-Foot Box Cars," MODEL RAILROADING, date unknown. This is the only article I have which discusses CP single-sheathed boxcars. It includes a photo of a 1921 USRA clone with 7/8 ends.

Nobody talked about F&C kits, but they have some Canadian or US subsidiary single-sheathed cars. I think these were originally made for Steam Shack by F&C. According to a discussion we had here a few weeks ago, Sylvan's cars are now out of production.

I've also got an even bigger pile of articles on CN, CP and shortline Canadian steel boxcars. Let's save that for later.

See what happens when you ask a librarian?


Garth Groff

On 8/26/15 10:22 AM, repairman87@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

 There any "go to" books or magazine articles for CP cars Single sheathed box cars?  Looking for information on car number 176743 I found a picture of surfing around the internet.

 

Thanks

Scott McDonald




Re: Books for CP Boxcars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Scot,

Don't know of any books, though I'm sure there are some someplace. But articles I've got:

Hendrickson, Richard. "40-Foot Single-Sheathed Z-Braced Box Cars, Part I: The Single-Door Cars."
RAILMODEL JOURNAL, February 1993. Richard's article covers more than just Canadian cars, and is largely about cars that can be converted using Accurail kits.

Hendrickson, Richard. "40-Foot Single-Sheathed Z-Braced Box Cars, Part II: The 1 1/2-Door Cars . . . ," RAILMODEL JOURNAL, April 1993. This is about GTW cars.

Swain, Stafford. "Canadian National 1929 Standard 40-Foot Box Car from Steam Shack's HO Scale Kit," RAILMODEL JOURNAL, June 1994.

Swain, Stafford. "Modeling 40-foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part I: Type A and Type B Cars in HO scale from Accurail, Des Plaines Hobbies & Sylvan Scale Models Kits," RAILMODEL JOURNAL , October 2000.

Swain, Stafford. "Modeling 40-foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part II: Type C and Type D Cars in HO Scale from Accurail Kits," RAILMODEL JOURNAL, January 2001.

Swain, Stafford. "Modeling 40-foot CN Steel-Frame Box Cars, Part III: Type E Cars in HO Scale from Steam Shack Kits," RAILMODEL JOURNAL, February 2001.

Chambers, J.A. "Back-dating a CN 60-ton single-sheathed Boxcar," RAILROAD MODEL CRAFTSMAN, September 1998. This article is about reworking an Accurail model.

Culotta, Ted. "Essential Freight Cars:8; CN's 1929 Single-Sheathed Boxcars," RAILROAD MODEL CRAFTSMAN, November 2003.

Hendrickson, Richard. "USRA Single-Sheathed 40-Foot Box Cars," MODEL RAILROADING, date unknown. This is the only article I have which discusses CP single-sheathed boxcars. It includes a photo of a 1921 USRA clone with 7/8 ends.

Nobody talked about F&C kits, but they have some Canadian or US subsidiary single-sheathed cars. I think these were originally made for Steam Shack by F&C. According to a discussion we had here a few weeks ago, Sylvan's cars are now out of production.

I've also got an even bigger pile of articles on CN, CP and shortline Canadian steel boxcars. Let's save that for later.

See what happens when you ask a librarian?


Garth Groff

On 8/26/15 10:22 AM, repairman87@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

 There any "go to" books or magazine articles for CP cars Single sheathed box cars?  Looking for information on car number 176743 I found a picture of surfing around the internet.

 

Thanks

Scott McDonald



Re: Bondic Adhesive

jeralbin@...
 

 I do not use UV cure adhesive for bonding large flat parts. Other adhesives are better suited for that. I only use UV for tiny fussy parts like retainer valves, running board end supports, brake platform supports, etc. It takes me forever to get those tiny parts in correct alignment. At my age, I tend to shake. The UV resin waits till I’m ready, then I zap it with the UV light. I also use the hard thick resin to make convex fiber optic signal lenses.   Regards...Jerry Albin Homer Glen, Illinois


Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

Tony Thompson
 

I’m at NMRA in Portland so can’t look at my photo files, but I do have images of this car. It is definitely NOT the Roundhouse old-time car, and the paint scheme includes the Richfield emblem of the stylized eagle, never applied to tank cars in service.

Tony Thompson

On Aug 26, 2015, at 8:55 AM, timken2626@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I remember seeing a tank car similar to the Roundhouse one some 30 years ago at the railroad museum in MacArthur Park in Los Angeles.  As I recall, it was painted for Richfield Oil Co.  Does anyone know if this is a UTL "X" car as being discussed, and is the paint scheme authentic?

Chuck Soule



Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

Chuck Soule
 

I remember seeing a tank car similar to the Roundhouse one some 30 years ago at the railroad museum in MacArthur Park in Los Angeles.  As I recall, it was painted for Richfield Oil Co.  Does anyone know if this is a UTL "X" car as being discussed, and is the paint scheme authentic?

Chuck Soule


Re: Bondic Adhesive

Charles Peck
 

When adhering one opaque piece to another opaque piece, how can the center area
become hardened when the UV light cannot reach it?
Chuck Peck in FL 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 5:52 AM, jeralbin@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I have been using, when the need arises, Solarez UV-cure Fly Tying Resins. One three pack comes in thin hard, thick hard and flex grades in 5 gram tubes. This brand and type resin cures hard, not sticky like some I have tried. For the UV source, I picked up a cheap dental 5 watt wireless LED curing light 2000mw on Amazon. I also have a different wavelength UV flashlight. Regards...Jerry Albin, Homer Glen, Illinois




Milwaukee Road Ribside Box Car

gtws00
 

Hello, I am looking for information on Brakes as used on the various Milwaukee Ribside Cars and the correct type of slack adjuster. I read that the slack adjusters where Royal, is this correct and how are they mounted?  Are there any  drawings or photos available of the underside showing the Brake Components and Slack Adjuster?
Thanks
George Toman



Books for CP Boxcars

Scott
 

 There any "go to" books or magazine articles for CP cars Single sheathed box cars?  Looking for information on car number 176743 I found a picture of surfing around the internet.

 

Thanks

Scott McDonald


Re: Bondic Adhesive

jeralbin@...
 

I have been using, when the need arises, Solarez UV-cure Fly Tying Resins. One three pack comes in thin hard, thick hard and flex grades in 5 gram tubes. This brand and type resin cures hard, not sticky like some I have tried. For the UV source, I picked up a cheap dental 5 watt wireless LED curing light 2000mw on Amazon. I also have a different wavelength UV flashlight. Regards...Jerry Albin, Homer Glen, Illinois



Re: Branchline reefer kit/ART

ed_mines
 

thanks; yup, outside metal roof


advice well taken


ed mines


Re: Roundhouse 25' tank car

John Hile
 

Steve,

Thanks for this nice info summary.  I appreciate it.

John Hile
Blacksburg VA


Looking for weathering article

Richard Stern
 

My memory is failing me - I am looking for an article on weathering a silver, outside braced wood Georgia RR box car.  I think it was in Model Railroad Hobbyist (but not sure) about a year ago.  I have done web searches but haven't come up with anything.  Thanks for your help.  

Rick 


Re: DL&W 51000 Series Boxcars

MDelvec952
 


The ends on this series of car were brown. The black ends didn't start until the 54000-series.  The running boards should be wood.

The years 1953-1955 were squarely in the Phoebe Snow billboard era and non-billboard cars then were old and rare. Mid-1955 began the bigger bolder billboard

I wasn't crazy about the artwork or paint on the Branchline cars, so I never bought one, favoring the many IMWX cars that were already in my collection at the time.

Happy modeling, John,                    ....Mike Del Vecchio


-----Original Message-----
From: johnsykesiii@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 25, 2015 7:01 pm
Subject: [STMFC] DL&W 51000 Series Boxcars

 
OK, let me try this here (cross-posted from DL&W Modeling site).

I have a pair of 51000 series AAR 1937 DL&W boxcars (Yardmaster -- layout quality).  They both came with black ends and roofs.  The second one, I just got today (51326) hasn't been built yet and I have spare Branchline/ Yardmaster ends and roofs that are unpainted.  I also squirreled away some Champ DL&W decals as they were closing up shop a few years ago.

The question is, for the 1953 -- 1955 time period that I model (pre-Lackawanna billboard) are the black ends and roofs correct?  Since I have spares and decals I can at least correct the second car and make it all brown.  Mike Del Vecchio, what sayest you?

Also, I think these cars had wood running boards, but the 1952 diagram book doesn't say (it does say they had diamond-plate metal brake platforms).

If the answer is brown, I will do this one right and then might go back and mask the roof and ends on the other one and try to correct it -- assuming they were not supposed to be black.

-- John


Bondic Adhesive

Paul Hillman
 

Saw today for the first time an ad for Bondic Adhesive. Sounds possibly amazing for model work. Stays fluid until set with UV light. Void-filling, sandable, etc. Checked it out a little. Not sure about all that it bonds with other than plastics ??? Looks expensive.

I'm sure someone on this group is familiar with it.

Paul Hillman

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