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Re: Bowser 40962 PRR H30 254300

 

PRR H30 has been sold.  HTG


Re: Rapido announced a NP 10000 series boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Fred (no last name) wrote:
"Still my Q to Rapido remains: please make the illustrations on the website more redable so I can see what the repack date on a certain car with era-correct lettering is."

Journal REPACK, or car REWEIGH date?  Even if the manufacturer provides a largre illustration, the REPACK date would be hard to see as its typically pretty small.  Don't you mean REWEIGH date?


Ben Hom


Re: Rapido announced a NP 10000 series boxcar

Fred Jansz
 

Could very well be the case. Still my Q to Rapido remains: please make the illustrations on the website more redable so I can see what the repack date on a certain car with era-correct lettering is. 


Re: Rapido NP 10000 series box car

Mikebrock
 

Tim O'Connor writes:

"The 14000-14499 series cars had Dreadnaught ends, but were otherwise more
or less identical to 10000-13999. Is Rapido going to produce both versions
of the ends?"

Good question. Photos in the Mainstreeter show these ends, 3-5 top to bottom. BTW, photos show the small lumber door on one end of both the 3-5 and 7-8 ends.

Mike Brock



The Mainstreeter article indicates that the trucks were "Bettendorf" [ "C.S.
Sideframe trucks ] with the exception that "some" of the last series [14000-14499]
had Andrews trucks.

Mike Brock...a frt train without an NP box car ain't a frt train...


MRS 5500-5600 series box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

I have a bunch of photos (post-STMFC) of MRS 40 foot box cars
that have built date of 1949 or earlier. All of them have overhanging
(ZU eave) diagonal panel roofs. My question to STMFC experts is whether
the cars could have been built that way as early as 1949, or is this
proof that the cars must have been rebuilt with new roofs?

Thanks!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Rapido TH&B gondola

Tim O'Connor
 


Armand, some doubt my unwavering fealty to
Rapido , so let me say this -- the Rapido gondola
is a very, very nice model. A notable bit of prototype fidelity not found on ANY other HO gondolas
to my knowledge, is the separately applied vertical "rib" stiffeners on the sides. They were made
that way so they could accurately represent the angle cross-section. If only more HO scale single
sheathed box cars were made that way, huh?

Tim O'Connor



  >>  Are you familiar with the True Line Trains products? They are superior. Armand Premo


  Thank you for info re build date on TH&B gon.  Cutoff date for my layout is
  1953 so will not buy the TH&B gon after all.  H.T. Guillaume


Re: Rapido TH&B gondola

Armand Premo
 


    Are you familiar with the True Line Trains products?They are superior.Armand Premo

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Thank you for info re build date on TH&B gon.  Cutoff date for my layout is 1953 so will not buy the TH&B gon after all.  H.T. Guillaume

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Bowser 40962 PRR H30 254300

 

This HO model is available from me.  I ended up with two but need only one for my layout.  Bought it from Nicholas Smith Trains.  Paid $23 plus postage.  Hugh T. Guillaume


Re: Rapido TH&B gondola

 

Thank you for info re build date on TH&B gon.  Cutoff date for my layout is 1953 so will not buy the TH&B gon after all.  H.T. Guillaume


Re: Rapido announced a NP 10000 series boxcar

Chuck Soule
 

> Don Valentine wrote:

> Every freight train on mainline, Class I railroads may have contained at least one
> NP boxcar but that is about as far as tings went. One certainly cannot make such a 
> broad statement when it comes to peddlar freights or shortlines.

If your peddler or short line will be delivering lumber to a local building materials  business, then there is a high likelihood that they received NP box cars, at least periodically. 

Regarding the era, Rapido's flyer indicates 5 lettering and detail styles:

NP Pre-War 1923-1938 (K-brakes, red ends/roof)

NP 36" Monad 1940-1944 (AB-brakes, red ends/roof)

NP 36" Monad 1945-1950 (AB-brakes, black ends/roof)

NP "Main Street..."  1951+  (AB-brakes, red ends/roof)

NP Company Service 1956-1952

Plus an undecorated version. They are supposed to come in multiple numbers. Four numbers are supposed to be available for the 1923-1938 scheme, and up to 12 numbers for the other schemes (not sure about the company service one...probably 4).  I think you can estimate that from the number of 4-packs being offered for each style.

Dean O'Neill and Rick Leach from NPRHA coordinated extensively with Rapido regarding both the lettering schemes and the car details.  I understand the lettering uses material drafted by Rick to ensure the correct fonts and placement.

Chuck Soule




Re: Rapido NP 10000 series box car

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

The 14000-14499 series cars had Dreadnaught ends, but were otherwise more
or less identical to 10000-13999. Is Rapido going to produce both versions
of the ends?

Tim O'Connor


  The Mainstreeter article indicates that the trucks were "Bettendorf" [ "C.S.
  Sideframe trucks ] with the exception that "some" of the last series [14000-14499]
  had Andrews trucks.

  Mike Brock...a frt train without an NP box car ain't a frt train...


Re: Tri...What?

Charles Peck
 

According to the article "History of Upper Pacific Motive Power"  in the 1941 Colliers Encyclopedia,
Readers Digest condensed edition,  the railroad insisted on running 4 mile long freight trains behind their 
coal fired steam era locomotives. This often resulted in the caboose being stopped under a coaling 
tower.  After several accidental discharges of more coal than the caboose could hold, the Order of
Railway Conductors filed protests and threatened to strike.  This motivated the railroad to reduce the
length of trains to only 3.9 miles and the need for triplex locomotives went away.  They also started putting 
roofs on cabooses.
Chuck Peck (on the run)

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 1:47 PM, 'Mike Brock' brockm@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


Schuyler Laramie...Oooops, Larrabee...says:

"Yeah, Chuck, that “someone” has an incredibly provincial point of view . .
. insists that the ERIE Triplexes were failures. What does he know??"

It is little known that UP considered a Triplex for use on Sherman Hill.
However, test data from the Erie engines indicated that UP would have to
build a series of coaling towers placed every 4 miles apart to provide fuel
OR carry it with them using an elaborate flexible screw to move the coal to
the tender from the coal carrying cars [ did they actually consider them to
be tenders? ]. Final analysis showed that just to get the engine to Buford
would require 35 car's of coal and that plus the impending law suits
regarding laundry in Cheyenne turned black from coal smoke led UP to
reconsider. Some believe the laundry issue to be a big factor in developing
the electric dryer.

Mike Triplex Brock...Wish UP had them...



Tri...What?

Mikebrock
 

Schuyler Laramie...Oooops, Larrabee...says:


"Yeah, Chuck, that “someone” has an incredibly provincial point of view . . . insists that the ERIE Triplexes were failures. What does he know??"

It is little known that UP considered a Triplex for use on Sherman Hill. However, test data from the Erie engines indicated that UP would have to build a series of coaling towers placed every 4 miles apart to provide fuel OR carry it with them using an elaborate flexible screw to move the coal to the tender from the coal carrying cars [ did they actually consider them to be tenders? ]. Final analysis showed that just to get the engine to Buford would require 35 car's of coal and that plus the impending law suits regarding laundry in Cheyenne turned black from coal smoke led UP to reconsider. Some believe the laundry issue to be a big factor in developing the electric dryer.

Mike Triplex Brock...Wish UP had them...


Rapido NP 10000 series box car

Mikebrock
 

It is a pleasure to see that Rapido has expanded their horizon [ only Bill will understand ] to include the historically very important NP 10000 series box car. Three excellent sources of information about these cars are: The Mainstreeter, Summer 1994 by the NPRHS, Essential Freight Cars by Ted Culotta, RMC, July 2003, and the Sunshine kit 52.3 for the car.

All of those souces contain the excellent photo of car 12855, reweighed 10-52 with the second, larger sized monad and the slogan "Main Street of the Northwest". There is a photo of a car in the 11000 series, renumbered to 200343 by June 1972, still sporting the first and smaller monad without mainstreet slogan. The RMC article includes 2 photos of cars with the smaller monad without slogan. I understand that Richard indicated that the first and smaller monad existed with the slogan. I modeled a Sunshine car with slogan and smaller monad.

The Mainstreeter article indicates that the trucks were "Bettendorf" [ "C.S. Sideframe trucks ] with the exception that "some" of the last series [ 14000-14499 ] had Andrews trucks.

Mike Brock...a frt train without an NP box car ain't a frt train...


Re: Rapido TH&B gondola

William Sharpe <wsharpe1@...>
 

Please be aware that there is an error on the Rapido website regarding these cars.  As stated on the site it indicates that these cars were first produced in 10/53 which is incorrect.  The gondola cars in series 2400 and 2500 were built in 1956 and 1957 so if you model a date prior to that, these cars are beyond your needs.

 

William H. Sharpe

Hamilton, Ontario

Canada

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 12:03 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rapido TH&B gondola

 

 

Armand Premo asked:

"Unfamiliar with this model. For which era is it appropriate?"

 

http://www.rapidotrains.com/gon.html

 

 

Ben Hom

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Re: Rapido TH&B gondola

Benjamin Hom
 

Armand Premo asked:
"Unfamiliar with this model. For which era is it appropriate?"

http://www.rapidotrains.com/gon.html


Ben Hom


Re: Rapido announced a NP 10000 series boxcar

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yeah, Chuck, that “someone” has an incredibly provincial point of view . . . insists that the ERIE Triplexes were failures.  What does he know??

 

But at least we’re talking about a STEAM ERA BOX CAR!  Hi, Sheriff!  How you doin’ today???

 

Schuyler

 

Doug, As I recall, that "someone" models some little mountain railroad out west somewhere. If you model BAR, East Broad Top,

or some such, you might be able to get by without one in every train.  Just have one on the shelf in case Mel Brooks or whoever

comes visiting.

Chuck Peck in FL

 

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 12:05 AM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

  

Isn’t there someone on the list who proclaims every freight train contains an NP boxcar? If this is indeed true, then it would appear all of us may need at least one of these cars.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 


Re: Rapido announced a NP 10000 series boxcar

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Dennis,

Thank you for the NP box car information and adding to my knowledge base. Much appreciated.

It would be nice to have one of these cars on the layout. But, personally, I do not see any need for the undec version. Unless… 

Cheers, 
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Aug 30, 2015, at 7:58 AM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:




---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Hello Group,

The RapidoTrains web site notes that there will also be available undecorated. Are there examples of other railroads that had these, or similar, cars? 
=================

Because of the roof, it's NP only. The Soo Line was the only other road that used the Robertson patent "circular" roof, and not on double sheathed boxcars.

As to similar cars, the car looks to be basically a USRA double sheathed car, with a unique roof and that A end with the tiny lumber door.

It is what it is.

Dennis Storzek



Re: Rapido announced a NP 10000 series boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <wakeene@...> wrote :

Hello Group,

The RapidoTrains web site notes that there will also be available undecorated. Are there examples of other railroads that had these, or similar, cars? 
=================

Because of the roof, it's NP only. The Soo Line was the only other road that used the Robertson patent "circular" roof, and not on double sheathed boxcars.

As to similar cars, the car looks to be basically a USRA double sheathed car, with a unique roof and that A end with the tiny lumber door.

It is what it is.

Dennis Storzek


My Chinese Airbrush Swag

Bill Welch
 

CHINESE AIRBRUSH SWAG

Recently I shared details of some recent Chinese made Airbrush purchases on my Facebook page and a member of this Yahoo Group encouraged me to share my news here. As I thought about the subject matter it occurred to me that there may people who do yet have an airbrush and/or may be on a budget and are looking for an inexpensive entry into airbrushing. Notice that I did not say “cheap” because for me cheap connotes something shoddy and from my perspective neither of the airbrushes I mention are shoddy, but in fact they are just the opposite.

Close friends know that recently I been quite obsessed with airbrushes and what I describe here is part of my interest in this tool. There are several reviews of various Chinese made airbrushes on You Tube with a mix of opinions. Among the brands I have seen are Veda and Royalmax. Also reviewed are Master airbrushes sold by TCP Global, an American seller of airbrush supplies.

Here is a link to photos to explain what follows: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/sn80tunbcc6ul1o/AAAEzPEeOeopcZXCL8EKftFca?dl=0

Out of curiosity through eBay I decided to order a brand I had not seen reviewed so that I could draw my own conclusions and was drawn to a model offered as the X3 series from Abest that sold for $26.99 including shipping (photo #1). Included were 0.2mm, 0.3mm, and 0.5mm needle/nozzle combinations, a small wrench for changing the nozzles, and a Quick release adapter for the air-hose. The airbrush also features a trigger limiter on the rear of the handle. In transit only eight days from the Shanghai area to my mailbox the airbrush was nicely protected for its long trip to me. The metal case features a snug fitting lid and good protection for the airbrush and its accessories. The airbrush is all-metal and is well finished with no visible machining marks. The dual action trigger is smooth and positive in both its paint and air functions. A problem often mentioned with Chinese AB’s is that the needle is not centered in the nozzle when it is pulled back. In my Abest the needle stays centered when the trigger is pulled back. As to it job of spraying paint it does a good job. Further down I will explain what kind of media I am spraying.

With this positive shipping experience plus my positive impression of the quality of an inexpensive airbrush, I placed a bid of $32.99 on an Abest Q5 Series airbrush with .2mm, .25mm, and .3mm needle/nozzle combos, wrench, and a quick release hose connector. (The seller does both auctions and outright sales.). No one else placed a bid and after payment it was shipped immediately and arrived with other merchandise after eight days. This inexpensive AB  (photo #2) performed flawlessly in my first trial and appears to be very well made. The plated finish is perfect and I cannot see any machining marks anywhere meaning to me that the manufacturer is taking care with quality control. The trigger pull feels really good to me but pushing down on the trigger for air is a little heavy. I can live with this. However although I am not by nature a tinkerer I am going to try to get some extra springs and then see if I can disassemble the air-valve and clip the spring to try to lighten the tension. The knob in front of the air-connection under the paint cup is a built-in MAC (micro-air control) valve. I closed this all the way and pulling back for paint and pressing down for air I slowly opened the MAC valve until I began to see paint. My compressor is set at 20 PSI and I would estimate I began to see paint at 8-10 PSI. The knob on the rear of the handle is a trigger limiter and I used this to help me control the paint flow of the weathering concoction I was experimenting and between the MAC valve and the Limiter I was able to get repeatable and predicable results. SWEET! Over the last several days I have been spraying more paint and it continues to perform well.

I only paint with Acrylics and the Badger 155 “Anthem” I use to paint freight cars has a 0.75mm needle/nozzle combination that is perfect for spraying Acrylics. Both of my Chinese ABs feature needle/nozzle combos that are too small to spray Acrylics reliably, so why did I purchase these ABs? (I have not tried spraying with the 0.5mm yet. Eventually I will.) As I have said I was interested to see what quality I would get for what I saw as a small amount of money. But further I am experimenting with Iwata “Com-Art” Acrylic paints and something called Airbrush Medium that helps to thin the paint without affecting the chemistry of the paint because basically it is the Acrylic carrier without any color. (Water can be used to thin Acrylic paint only to point. If too much is used it effects the paint chemistry). I also add “Flow Improver” that is similar to Photoflo or detergent in that it helps break the surface tension of the paint. By thinning the paint in this manner it can be sprayed through both the 0.25mm and 0.3mm nozzles. Because the nozzles are so small, a smaller paint pattern is sprayed. The bottom line is that I am hoping I can use this kind of paint mix for some weathering, freight car underframes for example. The small nozzles, being able to limit the amount of paint and the ability to spray at a very low pressure permit the paint to be misted on in a very controllable manner.

With my "Airbrush Family" ballooning, I needed more storage capacity. I already have a Dual AB Holder mounted on the edge of my painting table next to my paint booth to hold whatever I am painting with and the stand I purchased for $15.88 (photo #3) was ideal as it is free standing with little suction cups to keep it in place. From the left the ABs are a Passche “Talon,” the Abest “Q5,” Badger 155 “Anthem,” and a GREX Tritium TG. The GREX does not really seem secure but the other AB family members seem to rest securely.

Since shipping is free from Ediyworld's eBay store, I added the painting fixture (photo #4) for $12.88. I am not sure how this might be needed for my Railroad models but if I ever actually build my Italeri 1/35 scale ELCO PT Boat it will come in very handy. While I was at it I also ordered some extra needles and nozzles.

Here is Ediyworld's web address:http://www.ebay.com/sch/ediyworld/m.html…

I have communicated with them a couple of times and they have been responsive.

Currently I am bidding on a Siphon Feed AB that includes a 0.8mm needle/nozzle combo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/271967683997?_trksid=p2055359.m1431.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Here are some other links that might be helpful:

Badger Modelflex Paint Railroad Colors: http://www.badgerairbrush.com/library/Paint%20Chart%20Images/Railroad%20Colors.gif

Iwata “Com-Art” paint colors: http://www.dickblick.com/products/iwata-com-art-airbrush-colors/

Liquitex Airbrush Medium: http://www.liquitex.com/airbrushmedium/

and: http://www.dickblick.com/products/liquitex-airbrush-medium/

Winsor & Newton Flow Improver: http://www.winsornewton.com/na/shop/oils-mediums-varnishes-and-solvents/acrylic-colour/mediums/professional-acrylic-flow-improver-4-22-us-fl-oz-125ml-bottle-3030937

Don’s Airbrush Tips: Mr. Wheeler is a modeler, retired engineer and tinkerer and offers multiple reviews and tips. I highly recommend this resource: https://sites.google.com/site/donsairbrushtips/home

Bill Welch


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