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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?
I wonder if the graying of the hobby was part of it. There are exceptions to be sure, but I'm thinking that by the time most of us average Joes have saved enough to make such an investment, retirement is too close to put that money into buying another job. Especially one with only hope, not certainty, of being rebuilt into something that will pay a good return. I see folks as getting risk-adverse as they age. Chuck Peck in FL
On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: Portland Car & Foundry Decalss
I've had similar problems with decals from Kadee and others. White really needs to
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be printed on a darker background! And it helps a lot if the white ink is opaque! :-) Tim O' P.S. I like the flatbed scanning suggestion... I'll have to try that.
What about telling the printer about the difficulties you are having and asking for a paper copy of the artwork to serve a map?
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Re: Portland Car & Foundry Decalss
Bill Welch
What about telling the printer about the difficulties you are having and asking for a paper copy of the artwork to serve a map?
Bill Welch
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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?
The article said she wanted $500,000 for the business. That may have made sense in the glory days of decal sales, but considering that 80% of the art doesn't meet present day standards of accuracy/fidelity to the prototype and in any case is all designed to be used with a letter press rather than a silkscreen, could anyone make a viable business out of that? The article made it sound like since no offer was made, the matter is closed. Tim O'
Bill Welch wrote:
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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?
Rick Jesionowski
E-mail North Central Supply with your wants, he is still in business and if he has want you want he will e-mail you back with the quantity and price. Rick Jesionowski
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Re: Oregon lumber traffic
Bill Decker
Thanks Tony for augmenting my observations. Your statements likely are based more in actual documents. In my defense guys, the basic premise is basic economics. I already noted the way the Bay Area was served by more local moves, including the NWP. For the LA area and further around the "Golden Crescent," Oregon is simply closer to market. In the ICC era of this list, mileage alone was enough to drive the transportation economics. Once loaded into/onto steam era freight cars ;-)) , it was fairly economical to get it down to Southern California and beyond. The Washington timber harvesters needed to get past the prolific Oregon mills to engage in that traffic.
Still, there was traffic from Washington state. NP was a friendly connection at Portland and that continued into the "green" era well past this list. Also past this list was a run-through agreement that deposited a full train at Eugene from Seattle and Tacoma. I can see that traffic developing in steam era photos on the Cascade Line just by the many NP cars entrained. By personal observation, SP&S' Oregon Electric traffic out of the Willamette Valley tended to go north and then east from Vancouver, WA. Some joined the "GWS" stream down the Inside Gateway, but much went east. Once again, look at the transportation economics. As long as SP provided adequate service, the competitors were at a transportation cost disadvantage. Bill Decker
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Re: Portland Car & Foundry Decalss
Andy Cich
I have had some white decals that are tough to read on the sheet. Scan them and play around with the scan settings and/or resulting image. I can usually make a nice reference sheet to know what is on the decal sheet. Plus, you can zoom in. It has been a while since I have done this, but I think I scanned the decals as a grayscale image and then adjusted the contrast.
Andy Cich
I ordered a large run of custom decals from Portland Car & Foundry. They are, actually, very good decals, with a lot of specific-to-my-freelance railroad data; repack stencils, etc. I could not be happier with the actual decals, and the process of ordering them. He is VERY thorough.
However, they are white decals on white paper and they are so hard to see as to be NEARLY unusable to me. (Yes I have tried to darken the background with Sharpies, Marks-a-lot's, spray paint, cutting on glass over a light, etc, etc, etc...)
Paul Catapano Remember 1915-2015: The World War One Centenary
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Portland Car & Foundry Decalss
Paul Catapano
I ordered a large run of custom decals from Portland Car & Foundry. They are, actually, very good decals, with a lot of specific-to-my-freelance railroad data; repack stencils, etc. I could not be happier with the actual decals, and the process of ordering them. He is VERY thorough. However, they are white decals on white paper and they are so hard to see as to be NEARLY unusable to me. (Yes I have tried to darken the background with Sharpies, Marks-a-lot's, spray paint, cutting on glass over a light, etc, etc, etc...) Paul Catapano Remember 1915-2015: The World War One Centenary
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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?
RDGSD45@...
If that's the seller that was in the far back corner, the last few shows they were having a going out of business sale. Doug Wetherhold
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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?
Tony Thompson
Bill Welch wrote:
True, Bill, and I know of a couple of people who tried to nibble at the remaining stock, or at the artwork. But. Last time I checked, Rich's widow was insisting that anyone buying had to buy everything, down to the office desks, or buy nothing. No cherry picking. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Oregon lumber traffic
Chuck Soule
Lumber traffic from the NW to California also included a lot of Canadian Pacific and Canadian National traffic. I remember seeing many Canadian cars pass through Tacoma in the 50s and 60s. I remember asking my father why some cars were lettered Canadien National and others for Canadian National (I was too young to figure out it was one way on one side of the car, and the other on the opposite side).
I don't know percentages, but many CP, CN and PGE cars went to California, often in blocks within a train. The NP received Canadian loads at Sumas, WA and usually delivered them to the SP in Portland. The GN received Canadian loads in Vancouver, BC and, in most circumstances, sent them south via the Inside Gateway. Chuck Soule
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Re: Rapido announced a NP 10000 series boxcar
riverman_vt@...
Hi Jim,
You have given me a new homework assignment. I'll wager that 80% of us New Englanders that take the hobby seriously have a fairly good idea of how processing in transit rates work. However, it has almost always been thought of in the context of raw grain coming into to New England grain mills were it was/is converted into dairy, horse, pig or poultry food, placed in 100 lb. bags and reloaded it that form into boxcars for delivery to local feed dealers. NEVER had I considered the possibility of western grain coming only as far as a place like Minneapolis to be milled and continue eastward under processing in transit rates. It would seem that little of this must have been animal feeds, with even the possibility of a large, national firm like Purina having, until the late 1970's, a large feed mill in St. Johnsbury, VT. But it could have been used for bakery flour and other such products. Thus this bears looking into so I think you for your tip. Given what he have for industry in northern New England I suspect lumber mills on the Milw. Road supplied more finished lumber to the are than mills on the NP or the GN and that this is the reason of rthe preponderance of the Milw. cars but now I'm going to be looking forther to find out. Thanks for your thoughts, Don Valentine
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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?
prr282
Northern Central Supply, at the last several Timoniums, had large signs stating that they were going out of business and everything was discounted. Perhaps he has done so. Paul B
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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?
Bill Welch
Thank you Ben and Roger. It looks like the only Champ decals available are "O" scale.
I am surprised that at least Champ's remaining stock was not purchased by someone. The sets in question are re-weigh and re-lube items that match Champ and Walthers decals nicely. I have one of each packet but as I go back and dress up some older builds, I wanted at least one envelop of each. They include some things not in the Sunshine sets. Hard to imagine decals just sitting somewhere or worse going into a Dumpster. Bill Welch
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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?
Benjamin Hom
Bill Welch asked: "It has been 6 or 7 years since I was at the Timonium Train Show but there used to be a vend[o]r or hobby shop that had a large number of Champ decals. Does anyone recall who this might be?" Roger Hinman replied: "I believe the vendor at Timonium was Northern Central hobby from somewhere in Pennsylvania." Mike Caum, Northern Central Hobby, Shrewsbury PA. Unfortunately, they no longer appear to be listing on eBay, and their website looks like it hasn't been updated in quite some time. Ben Hom
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Re: flat car, NC&StL
Bill Adam
I have 3 sets of the Champs HC-646 for the Gould/Tichy 40' 50 ton flats available if anyone is interested.
Bill Adam
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Re: MRS 5500-5600 series box cars
ROGER HINMAN
The MRS 55xx series were rebuilt from MDT dry ice cars built in the late forties. I mentioned this in my book but was unable to find a photo of an MRS car at the time to include. The ZU sideplates used on the 1947 MDT std steel rfgr cars were supplied by SRE along with the roofpanels.
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Re: Champ Decals venders: Are there any?
ROGER HINMAN
I believe the vendor at Timonium was Northern Central hobby from somewhere in Pennsylvania.
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Re: Oregon lumber traffic
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Exactly right, Tim. The "Inside Gateway" carried 10 percent or less, compared to the volume of SP's traffic between Oregon and California, most years below 10 percent. But for some reason Santa Fe, WP and GN modelers seem very excited about it . Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Oregon lumber traffic
SP got the lion's share of lumber traffic to California -- the Inside Gateway
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was never as heavily trafficked as SP's two mainlines. Also there probably was a fair amount of forest products moving in both directions on the GN/WP line, since there were mills on that line. For GN, the Inside Gateway was a "short haul" compared to the main line to the east. But I agree most of the southbound GN traffic probably came from Washington, Idaho and Montana, and not from Oregon i.e. from "captive" shippers. Not just NP, but also the MILW had good relations with the SP at Portland. SP and NP cooperated on Seattle/Tacoma-California traffic for sure.
Bill,
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