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Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?

Charles Peck
 

I wonder if the graying of the hobby was part of it.  There are exceptions to be sure,
but I'm thinking that by the time most of us average Joes have saved enough to 
make such an investment, retirement is too close to put that money into buying
another job.  Especially one with only hope, not certainty, of being rebuilt into
something that will pay a good return.  I see folks as getting risk-adverse as they age.
Chuck Peck in FL

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:43 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 


The article said she wanted $500,000 for the business. That may have
made sense in the glory days of decal sales, but considering that 80%
of the art doesn't meet present day standards of accuracy/fidelity to
the prototype and in any case is all designed to be used with a letter
press rather than a silkscreen, could anyone make a viable business
out of that? The article made it sound like since no offer was made,
the matter is closed.

Tim O'


Bill Welch wrote:

I am surprised that at least Champ's remaining stock was not purchased by someone. The sets in question are re-weigh and re-lube items that match Champ and Walthers decals nicely. __

     True, Bill, and I know of a couple of people who tried to nibble at the remaining stock, or at the artwork. But. Last time I checked, Rich's widow was insisting that anyone buying had to buy everything, down to the office desks, or buy nothing. No cherry picking.

Tony Thompson 



Re: Portland Car & Foundry Decalss

Tim O'Connor
 

I've had similar problems with decals from Kadee and others. White really needs to
be printed on a darker background! And it helps a lot if the white ink is opaque! :-)

Tim O'

P.S. I like the flatbed scanning suggestion... I'll have to try that.

What about telling the printer about the difficulties you are having and asking for a paper copy of the artwork to serve a map?
Bill Welch


Re: Portland Car & Foundry Decalss

Bill Welch
 

What about telling the printer about the difficulties you are having and asking for a paper copy of the artwork to serve a map?

Bill Welch


Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?

Tim O'Connor
 


The article said she wanted $500,000 for the business. That may have
made sense in the glory days of decal sales, but considering that 80%
of the art doesn't meet present day standards of accuracy/fidelity to
the prototype and in any case is all designed to be used with a letter
press rather than a silkscreen, could anyone make a viable business
out of that? The article made it sound like since no offer was made,
the matter is closed.

Tim O'


Bill Welch wrote:

I am surprised that at least Champ's remaining stock was not purchased by someone. The sets in question are re-weigh and re-lube items that match Champ and Walthers decals nicely. __

     True, Bill, and I know of a couple of people who tried to nibble at the remaining stock, or at the artwork. But. Last time I checked, Rich's widow was insisting that anyone buying had to buy everything, down to the office desks, or buy nothing. No cherry picking.

Tony Thompson 


Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?

Rick Jesionowski
 

E-mail North Central Supply with your wants, he is still in business and if he has want you want he will e-mail you back with the quantity and price.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: Oregon lumber traffic

Bill Decker
 

Thanks Tony for augmenting my observations.  Your statements likely are based more in actual documents.  In my defense guys, the basic premise is basic economics.  I already noted the way the Bay Area was served by more local moves, including the NWP.  For the LA area and further around the "Golden Crescent," Oregon is simply closer to market.  In the ICC era of this list, mileage alone was enough to drive the transportation economics.  Once loaded into/onto steam era freight cars ;-))  , it was fairly economical to get it down to Southern California and beyond.  The Washington timber harvesters needed to get past the prolific Oregon mills to engage in that traffic.  

Still, there was traffic from Washington state.  NP was a friendly connection at Portland and that continued into the "green" era well past this list.  Also past this list was a run-through agreement that deposited a full train at Eugene from Seattle and Tacoma.  I can see that traffic developing in steam era photos on the Cascade Line just by the many NP cars entrained.  By personal observation, SP&S' Oregon Electric traffic out of the Willamette Valley tended to go north and then east from Vancouver, WA.  Some joined the "GWS" stream down the Inside Gateway, but much went east.  Once again, look at the transportation economics.  As long as SP provided adequate service, the competitors were at a transportation cost disadvantage.

Bill Decker


Re: Portland Car & Foundry Decalss

Andy Cich
 

I have had some white decals that are tough to read on the sheet. Scan them and play around with the scan settings and/or resulting image. I can usually make a nice reference sheet to know what is on the decal sheet. Plus, you can zoom in. It has been a while since I have done this, but I think I scanned the decals as a grayscale image and then adjusted the contrast.

 

Andy Cich

 

 

 I ordered a large run of custom decals from Portland Car & Foundry.

They are, actually, very good decals, with a lot of specific-to-my-freelance railroad data; repack stencils, etc.

I could not be happier with the actual decals, and the process of ordering them.

He is VERY thorough.

 

However, they are white decals on white paper and they are so hard to see as to be NEARLY unusable to me.

(Yes I have tried to darken the background with Sharpies, Marks-a-lot's, spray paint, cutting on glass over a light, etc, etc, etc...)

 

Paul Catapano

Remember 1915-2015: 

The World War One Centenary


Portland Car & Foundry Decalss

Paul Catapano
 

 I ordered a large run of custom decals from Portland Car & Foundry.
They are, actually, very good decals, with a lot of specific-to-my-freelance railroad data; repack stencils, etc.
I could not be happier with the actual decals, and the process of ordering them.
He is VERY thorough.

However, they are white decals on white paper and they are so hard to see as to be NEARLY unusable to me.
(Yes I have tried to darken the background with Sharpies, Marks-a-lot's, spray paint, cutting on glass over a light, etc, etc, etc...)

Paul Catapano
Remember 1915-2015: 
The World War One Centenary


Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?

RDGSD45@...
 

If that's the seller that was in the far back corner, the last few shows they were having a going out of business sale.


                                                                                                Doug Wetherhold


Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

 

I am surprised that at least Champ's remaining stock was not purchased by someone. The sets in question are re-weigh and re-lube items that match Champ and Walthers decals nicely. __


     True, Bill, and I know of a couple of people who tried to nibble at the remaining stock, or at the artwork. But. Last time I checked, Rich's widow was insisting that anyone buying had to buy everything, down to the office desks, or buy nothing. No cherry picking.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Oregon lumber traffic

Chuck Soule
 

Lumber traffic from the NW to California also included a lot of Canadian Pacific and Canadian National traffic. I remember seeing many Canadian cars pass through Tacoma in the 50s and 60s.  I remember asking my father why some cars were lettered Canadien National and others for Canadian National (I was too young to figure out it was one way on one side of the car, and the other on the opposite side).

I don't know percentages, but many CP, CN and PGE cars went to California, often in blocks within a train.  The NP received Canadian loads at Sumas, WA and usually delivered them to the SP in Portland.  The GN received Canadian loads in Vancouver, BC and, in most circumstances, sent them south via the Inside Gateway.

Chuck Soule


Re: Rapido announced a NP 10000 series boxcar

riverman_vt@...
 

Hi Jim,

    You have given me a new homework assignment. I'll wager that 80%
of us New Englanders that take the hobby seriously have a fairly good
idea of how processing in transit rates work. However, it has almost 
always been thought of in the context of raw grain coming into to New 
England grain mills were it was/is converted into dairy, horse, pig or
poultry food, placed in 100 lb. bags and reloaded it that form into 
boxcars for delivery to local feed dealers. NEVER had I considered the
possibility of western grain coming only as far as a place like Minneapolis
to be milled and continue eastward under processing in transit rates. It 
would seem that little of this must have been animal feeds, with even the
possibility of a large, national firm like Purina having, until the late 1970's,
a large feed mill in St. Johnsbury, VT. But it could have been used for 
bakery flour and other such products. Thus this bears looking into so
I think you for your tip. Given what he have for industry in northern New
England I suspect lumber mills on the Milw. Road supplied more finished
lumber to the are than mills on the NP or the GN and that this is the
reason of rthe preponderance of the Milw. cars but now I'm going to be
looking forther to find out.

Thanks for your thoughts, Don Valentine


Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?

prr282
 

Northern Central Supply, at the last several Timoniums, had large signs stating that they were going out of business and everything was discounted. Perhaps he has done so.


Paul B


Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Ben and Roger. It looks like the only Champ decals available are "O" scale.

I am surprised that at least Champ's remaining stock was not purchased by someone. The sets in question are re-weigh and re-lube items that match Champ and Walthers decals nicely. I have one of each packet but as I go back and dress up some older builds, I wanted at least one envelop of each. They include some things not in the Sunshine sets.

Hard to imagine decals just sitting somewhere or worse going into a Dumpster.

Bill Welch


Re: Champ Decals vendors: Are there any?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch asked:
"It has been 6 or 7 years since I was at the Timonium Train Show but there used to be a vend[o]r or hobby shop that had a large number of Champ decals. Does anyone recall who this might be?" 

Roger Hinman replied:  
"I believe the vendor at Timonium was Northern Central hobby from somewhere in Pennsylvania."

Mike Caum, Northern Central Hobby, Shrewsbury PA.  Unfortunately, they no longer appear to be listing on eBay, and their website looks like it hasn't been updated in quite some time.


Ben Hom 


Re: flat car, NC&StL

Bill Adam
 

I have 3 sets of the Champs HC-646 for the Gould/Tichy 40' 50 ton flats available if anyone is interested.
Bill Adam


Re: MRS 5500-5600 series box cars

ROGER HINMAN
 

The MRS 55xx series were rebuilt from MDT dry ice cars built in the late forties. I mentioned this in my book but was unable to find a photo of an MRS car at the time to include. The ZU sideplates used on the 1947 MDT std steel rfgr cars were supplied by SRE along with the roofpanels.

Roger Hinman



On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:56 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:




---In STMFC@..., wrote :

I have a bunch of photos (post-STMFC) of MRS 40 foot box cars
that have built date of 1949 or earlier. All of them have overhanging
(ZU eave) diagonal panel roofs. My question to STMFC experts is whether
the cars could have been built that way as early as 1949, or is this
proof that the cars must have been rebuilt with new roofs?
================

Tim,

I don't have an exact date for when the one piece "ZU" plate was first available, but PFE was having reefers built in the thirties that did the same thing with an angle section riveted to the upper flange of a Z bar plate. Doing this allowed roof repairs to insulated cars without disturbing the insulation or lining.

Dennis Storzek



Re: Champ Decals venders: Are there any?

ROGER HINMAN
 

I believe the vendor at Timonium was Northern Central hobby from somewhere in Pennsylvania.


Roger Hinmna

On Aug 31, 2015, at 4:32 PM, martincooper@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Hi:check out Portland car and foundry. In addition to their own decals, there are also redone Champ decals and a small stock of Champ decals. Marty cooper
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Subject: [STMFC] Champ Decals venders: Are there any?

It has been 6 or 7 years since I was at the Timonium Train Show but there used to be a vender or hobby shop that had a large number of Champ decals. Does anyone recall who this might be.


Alternatively is there someone out there that may have stocked up, a dealer or vender. I am sort of wishing I had another packet or two of:


HD-50

HD-51

HD-52

HD-53
HD-63
HD-63

and especially
HD-70

I have tried eBay but I found it impossible to search by stock number.
Bill Welch



Re: Oregon lumber traffic

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

 

SP got the lion's share of lumber traffic to California -- the Inside Gateway
was never as heavily trafficked as SP's two mainlines. 


     Exactly right, Tim. The "Inside Gateway" carried 10 percent or less, compared to the volume of SP's traffic between Oregon and California, most years below 10 percent. But for some reason Santa Fe, WP and GN modelers seem very excited about it .

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Oregon lumber traffic

Tim O'Connor
 

SP got the lion's share of lumber traffic to California -- the Inside Gateway
was never as heavily trafficked as SP's two mainlines. Also there probably was
a fair amount of forest products moving in both directions on the GN/WP line,
since there were mills on that line. For GN, the Inside Gateway was a "short
haul" compared to the main line to the east. But I agree most of the southbound
GN traffic probably came from Washington, Idaho and Montana, and not from Oregon
i.e. from "captive" shippers.

Not just NP, but also the MILW had good relations with the SP at Portland. SP
and NP cooperated on Seattle/Tacoma-California traffic for sure.

Bill,

You wrote: Virtually all of the Oregon traffic went to the SP. Only small percentages went to the other roads in the state as long as the SP provided acceptable service.

Not entirely. There was a LOT of lumber coming out of Oregon, I will not debate that.

However, the Oregon shippers seemed to be a testy lot. And that led to......

A letter (STMFC era that I have a copy of) from the president of the SP to the president of the NP promising him that whatever useable empty boxcars he can divert to the SP and Oregon, he will get back as carload shipments east. There were car shortages all over the PNW and the SP and NP had quite friendly dealings and often helped one another.

So much so that the president of the NP would often spend the winter holidays guest of the president of the SP. Jim Dick - St. Paul

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