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Re: MONON box cars

Craig Zeni
 

On Sep 4, 2015, at 4:04 PM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

2. MONON box cars
Posted by: "Thomas Baker" bakert@andrews.edu northstarlimited
Date: Fri Sep 4, 2015 7:16 am ((PDT))

Group,


I have seen a photo of a MONON 50-foot double-door box car. From looking at the photo, I would say the doors are seven foot each, leaving an opening of fourteen feet for loading. The number on the car is 1271. Would cars in this series have a diagonal panel roof or a rectangular panel roof?
Probably photo of 1571...from my buddy Jim Smith, Monon freight car guy:

MON 1271 is a 40 foot car w/ a 6 foot door -- and marked for appliance loading at appliance park, KY

MON 1371 is a 50' w/ 8' door

MON 1500-1599 were double door cars; had 7.5' doors (15' opening). Had diag panel roofs.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Alcohol Shipments, was Pacific Northwest WWII was Lumber Traffic

John Barry
 


 
John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "railsnw@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Alcohol Shipments, was Pacific Northwest WWII was Lumber Traffic

 
A mention was made about transporting alcohol from the Pacific Northwest. In the SP&S Railway Historical Society Archives at the Pacific Northwest Railroad Archives we have Secretary Files that have yearly permits starting from the mid 1930's in to the 1960's  that read as follows but with a different year:

Permit with United States of America (Treasury Dept.) - Permit C-Ore-4-54 (Internal Revenue Service) to transport tax free alcohol and specially denatured alcohol during the year 1954

The ones that have been cataloged are mostly for the Oregon Trunk. Where was this alcohol coming from?

Richard Wilkens



mortuary trains

ed_mines
 

In a photo circa 1948 it looks like many of the cars are coaches which seems odd to me considering the passengers.


Are the cars from different railroads like on wartime military trains? Would off road cars be loaded when the caskets enter the US? Would cars be changed going from one railroad to another?


Apologies to anyone who thinks this discussion is outside of this groups charter.


Ed Mines


Lindberg stock car

ed_mines
 

Looks very nice for an older model.


Ed Mines


F&C twin tank car

ed_mines
 

The floor seems  to be about 2mm too long. Am I missing something?



Ed Mines


Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car

genegreen1942@...
 

I am going to order Variety Pack A of the 6000 gallon tank cars from Broadway Ltd. so I can get the Ethyl Corporation tank car.  


Variety Pack A includes Brown Company, Shippers Car Line, Ethyl Corp., and Stauffer Chemical.  The Stauffer Chemical tank car has the full platform while the Brown Company and Shippers Car Line do not.  


If anyone would like to buy one or more of the other three cars (Brown, Shippers or Stauffer), once they have arrived and I've received mine, I'll let them go for $25 each plus shipping.


Gene Green

Out in the Badlands of New Mexico


Re: Lumber moving on the Overland Route in '49

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <brockm@...> wrote :

Box Cars also win. UP had one flat car in train 3, SP had 2 in train 3, PM
had one flat in train 3. The well known photo of the flats carrying lumber
on the SP made me expect to see more flats carrying lumber on the Overland
Route.
==========

We've discussed this before, and I believe the consensus of opinion was open lumber loads were more common on the west coast. I don't know why, but a couple reasons come to mind: Milder weather, and shorter transit times.

By the time you get to the Chicago market, it seems open loads are only rough plank and timbers; items on which the effects of weathering was allowable.

Dennis Storzek


Freight Car truck Question from John Henderson's Vol. 1

Bill Welch
 

In the process of "The Reluctant Weatherer's" overcoming his fear of weathering he has been going through some of his older models as inititial candidates for treatment and in the process finds himself doing small upgrades like improved sill steps and switching trucks with more accurate editions where available. Thank you Tahoe and Brian!


Perhaps my first kitbash (20+ years ago) involved an Athearn 40-ft steel boxcar, some Detail Associates Dreadnaught ends and resin Murphy ends to create a rebuild owned by the Columbus & Greenville and inspired by a photo in Volume One of the recently discussed Color Freight Car book series. Currently it rides on (predictably) some Athearn trucks. I cannot find my copy of the book in question but I am wondering if anyone who can find their Vol. 1 can assist me with what in their opinion might be a better truck, especially if they are familiar with Tahoe's line. The car did not live on the C&G during my 10-1955 time period but mysteriously the reweigh and lube dates do not reflect this anomoly. Go figure.


Instead of cluttering this Group with answers, please email The Reluctant Weatherer at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com


Thank you!

Bill Welch


Re: MONON box cars

Michael Aufderheide
 

Tom,

This car is from Monon series 1200-1299 built in April 1948.  They had Murphy diagonal panel roofs.  They had two 8ft doors with a clear opening of 15'-10".  The Monon Society offers Branchline kits of these cars. 

Scale Model Kits

 

The cars were renumbered early into three different series that had load restraints:

1301-1320, left door welded shut, Evans DF restraints.
1401-1480, left door welded shut, (4) Evans DF Bars
1481, Webster Loaders

Later the 1401 series was further re-numbered into various 1500 number series with various Evans restraints.  It always amazes me that they welded the second door shut so soon.  It was a mystery for a long time which cars these were because the diagrams only show one door.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

Armand Premo
 


The idea Dale is to protect the items from damage.Keeping good records should help you were you to have a loss of your valuable collection.All  would be itemized.The boxes would not be empty.Armand Premo

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Insurance companies don't like a lot of boxes lying around. They become fire hazards. I do not keep empty boxes, the risk is to great

Dale Florence



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To: <STMFC@...>;
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2015 2:28:27 PM



Armand, you're not alone.
I too save kit boxes, as do a couple of my clients.
For me it was a good thing, when we decided to move last winter, packing the rolling stock was made far easier by having all the boxes.
And when the time comes for my collection to be sold it'll be a little easier with all those boxes.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/04/15 10:20 AM, 'Armand' armprem2@... [STMFC] wrote:
 



I save all the boxes.I keep the cars not being used  in boxes on book shelves.In each box I have a car card with information such as  source,cost, purchase date,matching paint,weight, trucks ,couplers,repairs,last date on layout and value.And they are safe and do not collect dust.Armand Premo
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Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

Clark, just run all your boxes through the trash compactor.
They will all be the same size then and leave you more room
for kits you might build someday. 
Chuck Peck in FL

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:35 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
One of the kits I bought at the St Louis RPM is a different shape than what I’ve bought the last few years, more square. I like my boxes uniform, so I can stack the empty boxes by manufacturer on shelving under the layout. And to think my wife says I’m anal??
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Lumber moving on the Overland Route in '49

Mikebrock
 

Since we seem to have an interest in modeling some of the referenced traffic, lumber in this case, I decided to see HOW it was moved back in the spring of '49 on the Overland Route [ and it was a very good year...all my teams were winning, Big Boys didn't need to be refurbished, etc. ]. So, to the Fraley...and some surprises, and some not.

I looked at 4 "lumber" trains running east on the Overland Route between Rawlins and Laramie, WY.

First, the late Tim Gilbert put this data together using a copy of my 1949 Fraley Frt Conductor's book.

So far, I have analyzed 4 trains that were carrying at least 6 cars of lumber. There will be more to come.

1. Train 1 had one each ATSF, UP, NYC, GN, Mil and Q cars...all Box Cars.

2. Train 2 had 33 cars carrying lumber.

UP: 4
SP: 6
NYC:5
PA:2
GN:5
NP:3

Many RRs were represented by single cars including CGA, CNW, SPS, KCS, Erie

All were Box Cars. 12 went to KC, the rest through Omaha east.

3.Train 3 had 48 cars of lumber.

SP: 22
CNW:3
NYC:2
PA:2
GN:2
UP:1
Many RRs with one including IHB.

One MP gon, one NYC gon, one RDG gon, one P&LE gon, one EJE flat [ all carrying lumber ].

Three to KC, one to Beatrice, one to Kearny, one to Arnold.

4. Train 4 had 35 cars carrying lumber.

SP:7
PA:3
NYC:4
ATSF:2
MIL:4
UP:2
GN:2
NP:2

One GN flat [ 65010 ].
13 cars to KC, one to Salina, the rest through Omaha

Summary: SP had more cars by far although the rest of the

population does remind one of the Gilbert/Nelson population theory...with the exception of SP...again.

Box Cars also win. UP had one flat car in train 3, SP had 2 in train 3, PM had one flat in train 3. The well known photo of the flats carrying lumber on the SP made me expect to see more flats carrying lumber on the Overland Route.

More later.

Mike Brock


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

We saw our insurance agent yesterday because our house reno was done.  What with attaching the garage and adding wood floors throughout, our insurance went up 20%.  So in keeping with Tony’s plan, remove all wood from the interior and exterior of the house. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
 
 

Insurance companies don't like a lot of boxes lying around. They become fire hazards. I do not keep empty boxes, the risk is to great

 
    They probably don't like paint and solvents around, either; better get rid of them all. And books and magazines are flammable, so they really better go too. In fact, clothing and bedding burns pretty well, so you will want to remove most or all of those items too. Eventually you might be fire-safe.
 
Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
 




Re: Pacific Northwest Lumber Traffic

Dave Nelson
 

The railroads were obligated to categorize the they loads they carried per very specific instructions from the ICC.   Each category had 1 to n specific examples and so there was very little leeway for individual judgement (except perhaps for incompetence).  The data was sent to the ICC quarterly and published in both quarterly and annual summation.  The former seem to be pretty rare but the later can be located in large Government Document Repositories – at Stanford and Harvard for example.

 

The columns of numbers are Local, Inbound, Outbound, Bridge, and total tons, with total revenue and total cars following.

 

Many railroads provided the annual summation to their stockholders as a statistical supplement to the annual report.

 

Last, the ICC changed the categorization rules for 1948, greatly increasing the number of categories.  This makes it impossible to get a 100% comparison to 1947 and before – many do compare, Bit Coal for instance, but a lot don’t.

 

Dave Nelson

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 10:25 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Pacific Northwest Lumber Traffic

 



Jeff,

These data are from official ICC reports. I do not know the exact source, but I think the Class I's were required to submit this information to the ICC based on actual RR totals - not waybill samples. well over 100 railroads are reported.

_


Re: Classic Freight Cars, Vol III- Refrigerator Cars

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Allan Smith smithal9@sbcglobal.net [STMFC] wrote:

Classic Freight Cars VIII by John Henderson printed by GRIT Commercial Printing Co PO Box 965 Williamsport PA 17703-0965.
I haven"t seen one in the shops for some time. Maybe try Ebay.
Bookfinder.com lists several copies from an assortment of vendors starting at a bit less than $60.
--
Nolan Hinshaw
San Francisco
"Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!"
From Wolfgang Pauli, perpetrator of the Pauli Exclusion Principle


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

Tony Thompson
 

Insurance companies don't like a lot of boxes lying around. They become fire hazards. I do not keep empty boxes, the risk is to great


    They probably don't like paint and solvents around, either; better get rid of them all. And books and magazines are flammable, so they really better go too. In fact, clothing and bedding burns pretty well, so you will want to remove most or all of those items too. Eventually you might be fire-safe.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

Insurance companies don't like a lot of boxes lying around. They become fire hazards. I do not keep empty boxes, the risk is to great

Dale Florence


From: Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] ;
To: ;
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2015 2:28:27 PM



Armand, you're not alone.
I too save kit boxes, as do a couple of my clients.
For me it was a good thing, when we decided to move last winter, packing the rolling stock was made far easier by having all the boxes.
And when the time comes for my collection to be sold it'll be a little easier with all those boxes.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/04/15 10:20 AM, 'Armand' armprem2@... [STMFC] wrote:

 



I save all the boxes.I keep the cars not being used  in boxes on book shelves.In each box I have a car card with information such as  source,cost, purchase date,matching paint,weight, trucks ,couplers,repairs,last date on layout and value.And they are safe and do not collect dust.Armand Premo
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Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

Clark, just run all your boxes through the trash compactor.
They will all be the same size then and leave you more room
for kits you might build someday. 
Chuck Peck in FL

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:35 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
One of the kits I bought at the St Louis RPM is a different shape than what I’ve bought the last few years, more square. I like my boxes uniform, so I can stack the empty boxes by manufacturer on shelving under the layout. And to think my wife says I’m anal??
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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First prototype USRA single sheathed box car

jayrs9
 

I have been working on trying to document the designs of the USRA freight cars in 3d (www.TrainsIn3d.com).  My initial attempt is the USRA single sheathed box car.  The first prototype of this car, number " U.S. 0000" was built in October 1918 by Haskell & Barker Car Company under Lot 5179. Ultimately they went on to make 6,000 of these cars. I have two good builders' photos from the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #17 of these cars, but not surprising they are black & white.  I am trying to determine how they were painted as they left the shop.  The lettering on the cars is clearly white and rest of the car body seems to be a single color.  Does anyone know what color that might be, I would presume it some sort of "standard" USRA color

Thanks for any assistance,
Jay



Re: Alcohol Shipments, was Pacific Northwest WWII was Lumber Traffic

Bill Decker
 

Larry,

Now I understand why the US Government was interested in a wood alcohol plant.  Plywood would have been an important commodity for the WWII effort and beyond.

As to Jon Miller's question on where the wood alcohol plant was in Springfield, it looks like the plant was out along the Marcola Branch of NE Springfield--headed toward Weyerhauser.  There is and was a fair bit of industry spread along that branch.  

My alternate history will have this plant staying in service (rail-served, of course!) throughout the period of this list.  So now I need appropriate tank cars!  ;-))

Bill Decker
Southern Pacific Cascade Line

 




Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

Pierre Oliver
 

Armand, you're not alone.
I too save kit boxes, as do a couple of my clients.
For me it was a good thing, when we decided to move last winter, packing the rolling stock was made far easier by having all the boxes.
And when the time comes for my collection to be sold it'll be a little easier with all those boxes.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/04/15 10:20 AM, 'Armand' armprem2@... [STMFC] wrote:

 



I save all the boxes.I keep the cars not being used  in boxes on book shelves.In each box I have a car card with information such as  source,cost, purchase date,matching paint,weight, trucks ,couplers,repairs,last date on layout and value.And they are safe and do not collect dust.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

Clark, just run all your boxes through the trash compactor.
They will all be the same size then and leave you more room
for kits you might build someday. 
Chuck Peck in FL

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:35 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
One of the kits I bought at the St Louis RPM is a different shape than what I’ve bought the last few years, more square. I like my boxes uniform, so I can stack the empty boxes by manufacturer on shelving under the layout. And to think my wife says I’m anal??
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

Armand Premo
 


I save all the boxes.I keep the cars not being used  in boxes on book shelves.In each box I have a car card with information such as  source,cost, purchase date,matching paint,weight, trucks ,couplers,repairs,last date on layout and value.And they are safe and do not collect dust.Armand Premo

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Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

Clark, just run all your boxes through the trash compactor.
They will all be the same size then and leave you more room
for kits you might build someday. 
Chuck Peck in FL

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:35 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

One of the kits I bought at the St Louis RPM is a different shape than what I’ve bought the last few years, more square. I like my boxes uniform, so I can stack the empty boxes by manufacturer on shelving under the layout. And to think my wife says I’m anal??
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


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