Re: Car Service Rules
Hi all,
Dan Holbrook's response below seems to imply that the RRs went thru ever further reaching sources of supply to "fill an order". I'm sure that really happened from time to time - but I am wondering if those layers of sources were used simply in order to meet the "car service rules" for a box car ... Let's set up a situation where a shipper somewhere on the West Coast asks the SP for a box car to go to the East Coast. Let's suppose that the shipper is a plywood mill in Roseburg, Oregon. Unless I'm taking Dan's comments out of context he seems to imply that the SP would fill that order first from whatever cars are in Roseburg, next from whatever cars are in Eugene, and lastly from cars on adjacent divisions. That's well and fine for a special car such as a depressed center flat. But wouldn't the SP provide "the closest box car it can find"? What I'm asking is that if there was an empty -box car- right there in Roseburg then wouldn't that car have been used ... "regardless of what the car service rules would dictate" (i.e. no matter what road name it wore)? Certainly if there were two empties in Roseburg and one was an East Coast car and the other was not ... then the East Coast car would be the choice (assuming that the car service rules were followed). And what would be the situation where that same East Coast box car would -not- be selected? For instance, let's say that some West Coast car (an SP?) was to be picked up at another industry that would be worked before the plywood mill ... and the East Coast car was at a 3rd industry that would be worked after the mill ... wouldn't the RR use the 'easier' car rather than come back to the plywood mill to deliver the East Coast box car 'just' to follow the car service rules? Who would make the decision(s) in this case? The conductor or the car clerk in the office (who is not there)? Would the SP change the order that industries were worked 'just' (?) in order to satisfy the car service rules? This seems possible for one or two cars but could result in a significant increase in the time it takes for the local working those industries to complete the work if there were very many 'swaps' from one industry to another. - Jim B. On 9/3/2015 2:31 PM,
STMFC@... wrote:
... snip ...6a. Re: Car Service Rules Posted by: lstt100@... lstt100@... Date: Thu Sep 3, 2015 1:39 pm ((PDT)) I'll add to Tony's comments based on my 42 year railroad career, which predates list, but I was hanging around with agency and car distributors as early as 1964 and did do car ordering, supply and distribution. Under Car Service Rule 15 which stated "shippers were responsible for making a request with local agents concerning cars needed for loading, a specific date, the commodity to be loaded and the destination of the car." This information was placed on a request for empties form, each railroad had a different variations, but they all had them. Lacking a car on hand at the station, the request was forwarded to local yard and or the car distributor in attempt to locate and appropriate car. Lacking a car on the division the request was escalated to adjacent divisions. Once an appropriate empty was found, even if it involved a backhaul, it was sent to the station for loading. Agent noted the car on his industry request form noting the car initial and number that was provided for the specific load. Car Service Division liked to go thru these reports and audit them for compliance.
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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
dale florence <dwwesley@...>
From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] ; To: ; Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?) Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2015 5:09:27 PM
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Re: white lines on boxcar doors and other markings
mark <caboose9792@...>
AAR's "Manual of standards and recommended practices" in the 1977 edition its section L - Lettering and marking cars
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Ive been looking for earlier editions but have had no luck. mark Rickert
caboose9792@...
-----Original Message----- From: blindog@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> To: STMFC Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 11:34 am Subject: [STMFC] white lines on boxcar doors and other markings If memory serves, a horizontal white line on the main door of a boxcar meant it had auto loading racks inside. And there are other markings refering to load restraining devices. What I can't remember is in which book should I be looking for this info. I thought it was in the ORER, but a look in a 1965 edition turned up nothing.
Also, the notes section for NYC's automobile cars, such as the 52000-series, says most have F type auto racks and a few have G type racks, but I didn't find anything telling me what the differences are between the racks. My guess is F=Ford and G=GM, but those words aren't very long so why didn't they just spell it out? Scott Chatfield
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undec HO AAR alt std 2-bay hopper kits-Intermountain
Andy Carlson
Hi- Intermountain made their most recent HO car, the AAR Alternate
standard 2-Bay hopper, with different detail parts to accurately model
the various roads which had these cars. These
kits come with photo-etched brass details, wire grabs and various
detail parts germaine to specific variations. Comes with Intermountain's
70-ton trucks. MSRP of $24.95 each. Offered
for $37 for 2 kits, plus shipping of $5.85. I accept checks and money
orders. For a small fee I also accept PayPal. If interested,or if you
want more than 2 kits, contact me off-list (please) at
Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car
Tony Thompson
Gene Green wrote:
Does anyone want to split up any of the other BLI four-packs? I might be interested in participating. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Freight Car truck Question from John Henderson's Vol. 1
Bill Welch
My question has been answered.
Bill Welch
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Re: mortuary trains
Here is a link to photos of WWII mortuary cars. Not coaches, Pullmans with windows blanked. Charles Peck, a respectful vet.
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: mortuary trains
Patrick Wade
At this site there is an excellent article on mortuary trains. The cars appear to be coaches with a sliding door near one end and the windows plated over. Pat Wade Santa Barbara, CA
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:58 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: MONON box cars
On Sep 4, 2015, at 4:04 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
2. MONON box carsProbably photo of 1571...from my buddy Jim Smith, Monon freight car guy: MON 1271 is a 40 foot car w/ a 6 foot door -- and marked for appliance loading at appliance park, KY Craig Zeni Cary NC
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Re: Alcohol Shipments, was Pacific Northwest WWII was Lumber Traffic
John Barry
The shippers, station of origin and routing are on my blog at Modeling the ATSF Valley Division Third & Oakland Districts + the Alameda Belt: Shippers: Lawrence Warehouse Co. Richmond CA John Barry
ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
707-490-9696
PO Box 44736
Washington, DC 20026-4736
From: "railsnw@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 3:42 PM Subject: [STMFC] Alcohol Shipments, was Pacific Northwest WWII was Lumber Traffic A mention was made about transporting alcohol from the Pacific Northwest. In the SP&S Railway Historical Society Archives at the Pacific Northwest Railroad Archives we have Secretary Files that have yearly permits starting from the mid 1930's in to the 1960's that read as follows but with a different year:
Permit with United States of America (Treasury Dept.) - Permit C-Ore-4-54 (Internal Revenue Service) to transport tax free alcohol and specially denatured alcohol during the year 1954 The ones that have been cataloged are mostly for the Oregon Trunk. Where was this alcohol coming from? Richard Wilkens
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mortuary trains
ed_mines
In a photo circa 1948 it looks like many of the cars are coaches which seems odd to me considering the passengers. Are the cars from different railroads like on wartime military trains? Would off road cars be loaded when the caskets enter the US? Would cars be changed going from one railroad to another? Apologies to anyone who thinks this discussion is outside of this groups charter. Ed Mines
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Lindberg stock car
ed_mines
Looks very nice for an older model. Ed Mines
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F&C twin tank car
ed_mines
The floor seems to be about 2mm too long. Am I missing something? Ed Mines
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Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car
genegreen1942@...
I am going to order Variety Pack A of the 6000 gallon tank cars from Broadway Ltd. so I can get the Ethyl Corporation tank car. Variety Pack A includes Brown Company, Shippers Car Line, Ethyl Corp., and Stauffer Chemical. The Stauffer Chemical tank car has the full platform while the Brown Company and Shippers Car Line do not. If anyone would like to buy one or more of the other three cars (Brown, Shippers or Stauffer), once they have arrived and I've received mine, I'll let them go for $25 each plus shipping. Gene Green Out in the Badlands of New Mexico
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Re: Lumber moving on the Overland Route in '49
Dennis Storzek
---In STMFC@..., <brockm@...> wrote :
Box Cars also win. UP had one flat car in train 3, SP had 2 in train 3, PM had one flat in train 3. The well known photo of the flats carrying lumber on the SP made me expect to see more flats carrying lumber on the Overland Route. ========== We've discussed this before, and I believe the consensus of opinion was open lumber loads were more common on the west coast. I don't know why, but a couple reasons come to mind: Milder weather, and shorter transit times. By the time you get to the Chicago market, it seems open loads are only rough plank and timbers; items on which the effects of weathering was allowable. Dennis Storzek
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Freight Car truck Question from John Henderson's Vol. 1
Bill Welch
In the process of "The Reluctant Weatherer's" overcoming his fear of weathering he has been going through some of his older models as inititial candidates for treatment and in the process finds himself doing small upgrades like improved sill steps and switching trucks with more accurate editions where available. Thank you Tahoe and Brian! Perhaps my first kitbash (20+ years ago) involved an Athearn 40-ft steel boxcar, some Detail Associates Dreadnaught ends and resin Murphy ends to create a rebuild owned by the Columbus & Greenville and inspired by a photo in Volume One of the recently discussed Color Freight Car book series. Currently it rides on (predictably) some Athearn trucks. I cannot find my copy of the book in question but I am wondering if anyone who can find their Vol. 1 can assist me with what in their opinion might be a better truck, especially if they are familiar with Tahoe's line. The car did not live on the C&G during my 10-1955 time period but mysteriously the reweigh and lube dates do not reflect this anomoly. Go figure. Instead of cluttering this Group with answers, please email The Reluctant Weatherer at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com Thank you! Bill Welch
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Re: MONON box cars
Michael Aufderheide
Tom,
This car is from Monon series 1200-1299 built in April 1948. They had Murphy diagonal panel roofs. They had two 8ft doors with a clear opening of 15'-10". The Monon Society offers Branchline kits of these cars. Scale Model Kits The cars were renumbered early into three different series that had load restraints: 1301-1320, left door welded shut, Evans DF restraints. 1401-1480, left door welded shut, (4) Evans DF Bars 1481, Webster Loaders Later the 1401 series was further re-numbered into various 1500 number series with various Evans restraints. It always amazes me that they welded the second door shut so soon. It was a mystery for a long time which cars these were because the diagrams only show one door. Regards, Mike Aufderheide
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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
Armand Premo
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The idea Dale is to protect the items from
damage.Keeping good records should help you were you to have a loss of your
valuable collection.All would be itemized.The boxes would not be
empty.Armand Premo
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Lumber moving on the Overland Route in '49
Since we seem to have an interest in modeling some of the referenced traffic, lumber in this case, I decided to see HOW it was moved back in the spring of '49 on the Overland Route [ and it was a very good year...all my teams were winning, Big Boys didn't need to be refurbished, etc. ]. So, to the Fraley...and some surprises, and some not.
I looked at 4 "lumber" trains running east on the Overland Route between Rawlins and Laramie, WY. First, the late Tim Gilbert put this data together using a copy of my 1949 Fraley Frt Conductor's book. So far, I have analyzed 4 trains that were carrying at least 6 cars of lumber. There will be more to come. 1. Train 1 had one each ATSF, UP, NYC, GN, Mil and Q cars...all Box Cars. 2. Train 2 had 33 cars carrying lumber. UP: 4 SP: 6 NYC:5 PA:2 GN:5 NP:3 Many RRs were represented by single cars including CGA, CNW, SPS, KCS, Erie All were Box Cars. 12 went to KC, the rest through Omaha east. 3.Train 3 had 48 cars of lumber. SP: 22 CNW:3 NYC:2 PA:2 GN:2 UP:1 Many RRs with one including IHB. One MP gon, one NYC gon, one RDG gon, one P&LE gon, one EJE flat [ all carrying lumber ]. Three to KC, one to Beatrice, one to Kearny, one to Arnold. 4. Train 4 had 35 cars carrying lumber. SP:7 PA:3 NYC:4 ATSF:2 MIL:4 UP:2 GN:2 NP:2 One GN flat [ 65010 ]. 13 cars to KC, one to Salina, the rest through Omaha Summary: SP had more cars by far although the rest of the population does remind one of the Gilbert/Nelson population theory...with the exception of SP...again. Box Cars also win. UP had one flat car in train 3, SP had 2 in train 3, PM had one flat in train 3. The well known photo of the flats carrying lumber on the SP made me expect to see more flats carrying lumber on the Overland Route. More later. Mike Brock
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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
We saw our insurance agent yesterday because our house reno was done.
What with attaching the garage and adding wood floors throughout, our insurance
went up 20%. So in keeping with Tony’s plan, remove all wood from the
interior and exterior of the house. – Al Westerfield
From: mailto:STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 12:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box
chronology(?)
They probably don't like paint and solvents around,
either; better get rid of them all. And books and magazines are flammable, so
they really better go too. In fact, clothing and bedding burns pretty well, so
you will want to remove most or all of those items too. Eventually you might be
fire-safe.
Tony
Thompson
Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley,
CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510)
540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on
railroad history
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