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Re: Car Service Rules

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,

  Dan Holbrook's response below seems to imply that the RRs went thru
ever further reaching sources of supply to "fill an order".  I'm sure that
really happened from time to time - but I am wondering if those layers of
sources were used simply in order to meet the "car service rules" for a
box car ... 

  Let's set up a situation where a shipper somewhere on the West Coast
asks the SP for a box car to go to the East Coast.  Let's suppose that the
shipper is a plywood mill in Roseburg, Oregon.  Unless I'm taking Dan's
comments out of context he seems to imply that the SP would fill that
order first from whatever cars are in Roseburg, next from whatever cars
are in Eugene, and lastly from cars on adjacent divisions. 
  That's well and fine for a special car such as a depressed center flat.
But wouldn't the SP provide "the closest box car it can find"?  What I'm
asking is that if there was an empty -box car- right there in Roseburg
then wouldn't that car have been used ... "regardless of what the car
service rules would dictate" (i.e. no matter what road name it wore)?
  Certainly if there were two empties in Roseburg and one was an East
Coast car and the other was not ... then the East Coast car would be the
choice (assuming that the car service rules were followed). 

  And what would be the situation where that same East Coast box car
would -not- be selected?  For instance, let's say that some West Coast
car (an SP?) was to be picked up at another industry that would be
worked before the plywood mill ... and the East Coast car was at a 3rd
industry that would be worked after the mill ... wouldn't the RR use
the 'easier' car rather than come back to the plywood mill to deliver
the East Coast box car 'just' to follow the car service rules? 
  Who would make the decision(s) in this case?  The conductor or the
car clerk in the office (who is not there)?
  Would the SP change the order that industries were worked 'just' (?)
in order to satisfy the car service rules?  This seems possible for one
or two cars but could result in a significant increase in the time it
takes for the local working those industries to complete the work if
there were very many 'swaps' from one industry to another.
                                                                                                                - Jim B. 

On 9/3/2015 2:31 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
6a. Re: Car Service Rules
    Posted by:  lstt100@... lstt100@...
    Date: Thu Sep 3, 2015 1:39 pm ((PDT))

I'll add to Tony's comments based on my 42 year railroad career, which predates list, but I was hanging around with agency and car distributors as early as 1964 and did do car ordering, supply and distribution.



Under Car Service Rule 15 which stated "shippers were responsible for making a request with local agents concerning cars needed for loading, a specific date, the commodity to be loaded and the destination of the car." This information was placed on a request for empties form, each railroad had a different variations, but they all had them.  Lacking a car on hand at the station, the request was forwarded to local yard and or the car distributor in attempt to locate and appropriate car.  Lacking a car on the division the request was escalated to adjacent divisions.  Once an appropriate empty was found, even if it involved a backhaul, it was sent to the station for loading.  Agent noted the car on his industry request form noting the car initial and number that was provided for the specific load.  Car Service Division liked to go thru these reports and audit them for compliance.
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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

I don't know about exploding paint and solvents, I only use acryilics. About all the other stuff, I am guilty


From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] ;
To: ;
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2015 5:09:27 PM



Insurance companies don't like a lot of boxes lying around. They become fire hazards. I do not keep empty boxes, the risk is to great


    They probably don't like paint and solvents around, either; better get rid of them all. And books and magazines are flammable, so they really better go too. In fact, clothing and bedding burns pretty well, so you will want to remove most or all of those items too. Eventually you might be fire-safe.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: white lines on boxcar doors and other markings

mark <caboose9792@...>
 

AAR's "Manual of standards and recommended practices"  in the 1977 edition its section L - Lettering and marking cars

Ive been looking for earlier editions but have had no luck.


mark Rickert
caboose9792@...


-----Original Message-----
From: blindog@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2015 11:34 am
Subject: [STMFC] white lines on boxcar doors and other markings

 
If memory serves, a horizontal white line on the main door of a boxcar meant it had auto loading racks inside. And there are other markings refering to load restraining devices. What I can't remember is in which book should I be looking for this info. I thought it was in the ORER, but a look in a 1965 edition turned up nothing.

Also, the notes section for NYC's automobile cars, such as the 52000-series, says most have F type auto racks and a few have G type racks, but I didn't find anything telling me what the differences are between the racks. My guess is F=Ford and G=GM, but those words aren't very long so why didn't they just spell it out?

Scott Chatfield


undec HO AAR alt std 2-bay hopper kits-Intermountain

Andy Carlson
 

Hi-
Intermountain made their most recent HO car, the AAR Alternate standard 2-Bay hopper, with different detail parts to accurately model the various roads which had these cars.

These kits come with photo-etched brass details, wire grabs and various detail parts germaine to specific variations. Comes with Intermountain's 70-ton trucks. MSRP of $24.95 each.

Offered for $37 for 2 kits, plus shipping of $5.85. I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee I also accept PayPal. If interested,or if you want more than 2 kits, contact me off-list (please) at


Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA










Re: Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car

Tony Thompson
 

Gene Green wrote:

 
I am going to order Variety Pack A of the 6000 gallon tank cars from Broadway Ltd. so I can get the Ethyl Corporation tank car.  If anyone would like to buy one or more of the other three cars (Brown, Shippers or Stauffer), once they have arrived and I've received mine, I'll let them go for $25 each plus shipping.

   Does anyone want to split up any of the other BLI four-packs? I might be interested in participating.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Freight Car truck Question from John Henderson's Vol. 1

Bill Welch
 

My question has been answered.

Bill Welch


Re: mortuary trains

Charles Peck
 

Here is a link to photos of  WWII mortuary cars.
Not coaches, Pullmans with windows blanked.
Charles Peck, a respectful vet.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

In a photo circa 1948 it looks like many of the cars are coaches which seems odd to me considering the passengers.


Are the cars from different railroads like on wartime military trains? Would off road cars be loaded when the caskets enter the US? Would cars be changed going from one railroad to another?


Apologies to anyone who thinks this discussion is outside of this groups charter.


Ed Mines



Re: mortuary trains

Patrick Wade
 

At this site there is an excellent article on mortuary trains. The cars appear to be coaches with a sliding door near one end and the windows plated over.



Pat Wade
Santa Barbara, CA

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 3:58 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

In a photo circa 1948 it looks like many of the cars are coaches which seems odd to me considering the passengers.


Are the cars from different railroads like on wartime military trains? Would off road cars be loaded when the caskets enter the US? Would cars be changed going from one railroad to another?


Apologies to anyone who thinks this discussion is outside of this groups charter.


Ed Mines



Re: MONON box cars

Craig Zeni
 

On Sep 4, 2015, at 4:04 PM, STMFC@... wrote:

2. MONON box cars
Posted by: "Thomas Baker" bakert@... northstarlimited
Date: Fri Sep 4, 2015 7:16 am ((PDT))

Group,


I have seen a photo of a MONON 50-foot double-door box car. From looking at the photo, I would say the doors are seven foot each, leaving an opening of fourteen feet for loading. The number on the car is 1271. Would cars in this series have a diagonal panel roof or a rectangular panel roof?
Probably photo of 1571...from my buddy Jim Smith, Monon freight car guy:

MON 1271 is a 40 foot car w/ a 6 foot door -- and marked for appliance loading at appliance park, KY

MON 1371 is a 50' w/ 8' door

MON 1500-1599 were double door cars; had 7.5' doors (15' opening). Had diag panel roofs.

Craig Zeni
Cary NC


Re: Alcohol Shipments, was Pacific Northwest WWII was Lumber Traffic

John Barry
 


 
John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "railsnw@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 3:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Alcohol Shipments, was Pacific Northwest WWII was Lumber Traffic

 
A mention was made about transporting alcohol from the Pacific Northwest. In the SP&S Railway Historical Society Archives at the Pacific Northwest Railroad Archives we have Secretary Files that have yearly permits starting from the mid 1930's in to the 1960's  that read as follows but with a different year:

Permit with United States of America (Treasury Dept.) - Permit C-Ore-4-54 (Internal Revenue Service) to transport tax free alcohol and specially denatured alcohol during the year 1954

The ones that have been cataloged are mostly for the Oregon Trunk. Where was this alcohol coming from?

Richard Wilkens



mortuary trains

ed_mines
 

In a photo circa 1948 it looks like many of the cars are coaches which seems odd to me considering the passengers.


Are the cars from different railroads like on wartime military trains? Would off road cars be loaded when the caskets enter the US? Would cars be changed going from one railroad to another?


Apologies to anyone who thinks this discussion is outside of this groups charter.


Ed Mines


Lindberg stock car

ed_mines
 

Looks very nice for an older model.


Ed Mines


F&C twin tank car

ed_mines
 

The floor seems  to be about 2mm too long. Am I missing something?



Ed Mines


Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car

genegreen1942@...
 

I am going to order Variety Pack A of the 6000 gallon tank cars from Broadway Ltd. so I can get the Ethyl Corporation tank car.  


Variety Pack A includes Brown Company, Shippers Car Line, Ethyl Corp., and Stauffer Chemical.  The Stauffer Chemical tank car has the full platform while the Brown Company and Shippers Car Line do not.  


If anyone would like to buy one or more of the other three cars (Brown, Shippers or Stauffer), once they have arrived and I've received mine, I'll let them go for $25 each plus shipping.


Gene Green

Out in the Badlands of New Mexico


Re: Lumber moving on the Overland Route in '49

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <brockm@...> wrote :

Box Cars also win. UP had one flat car in train 3, SP had 2 in train 3, PM
had one flat in train 3. The well known photo of the flats carrying lumber
on the SP made me expect to see more flats carrying lumber on the Overland
Route.
==========

We've discussed this before, and I believe the consensus of opinion was open lumber loads were more common on the west coast. I don't know why, but a couple reasons come to mind: Milder weather, and shorter transit times.

By the time you get to the Chicago market, it seems open loads are only rough plank and timbers; items on which the effects of weathering was allowable.

Dennis Storzek


Freight Car truck Question from John Henderson's Vol. 1

Bill Welch
 

In the process of "The Reluctant Weatherer's" overcoming his fear of weathering he has been going through some of his older models as inititial candidates for treatment and in the process finds himself doing small upgrades like improved sill steps and switching trucks with more accurate editions where available. Thank you Tahoe and Brian!


Perhaps my first kitbash (20+ years ago) involved an Athearn 40-ft steel boxcar, some Detail Associates Dreadnaught ends and resin Murphy ends to create a rebuild owned by the Columbus & Greenville and inspired by a photo in Volume One of the recently discussed Color Freight Car book series. Currently it rides on (predictably) some Athearn trucks. I cannot find my copy of the book in question but I am wondering if anyone who can find their Vol. 1 can assist me with what in their opinion might be a better truck, especially if they are familiar with Tahoe's line. The car did not live on the C&G during my 10-1955 time period but mysteriously the reweigh and lube dates do not reflect this anomoly. Go figure.


Instead of cluttering this Group with answers, please email The Reluctant Weatherer at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com


Thank you!

Bill Welch


Re: MONON box cars

Michael Aufderheide
 

Tom,

This car is from Monon series 1200-1299 built in April 1948.  They had Murphy diagonal panel roofs.  They had two 8ft doors with a clear opening of 15'-10".  The Monon Society offers Branchline kits of these cars. 

Scale Model Kits

 

The cars were renumbered early into three different series that had load restraints:

1301-1320, left door welded shut, Evans DF restraints.
1401-1480, left door welded shut, (4) Evans DF Bars
1481, Webster Loaders

Later the 1401 series was further re-numbered into various 1500 number series with various Evans restraints.  It always amazes me that they welded the second door shut so soon.  It was a mystery for a long time which cars these were because the diagrams only show one door.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

Armand Premo
 


The idea Dale is to protect the items from damage.Keeping good records should help you were you to have a loss of your valuable collection.All  would be itemized.The boxes would not be empty.Armand Premo

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Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

Insurance companies don't like a lot of boxes lying around. They become fire hazards. I do not keep empty boxes, the risk is to great

Dale Florence



From: Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>;
To: <STMFC@...>;
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2015 2:28:27 PM



Armand, you're not alone.
I too save kit boxes, as do a couple of my clients.
For me it was a good thing, when we decided to move last winter, packing the rolling stock was made far easier by having all the boxes.
And when the time comes for my collection to be sold it'll be a little easier with all those boxes.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/04/15 10:20 AM, 'Armand' armprem2@... [STMFC] wrote:
 



I save all the boxes.I keep the cars not being used  in boxes on book shelves.In each box I have a car card with information such as  source,cost, purchase date,matching paint,weight, trucks ,couplers,repairs,last date on layout and value.And they are safe and do not collect dust.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

Clark, just run all your boxes through the trash compactor.
They will all be the same size then and leave you more room
for kits you might build someday. 
Chuck Peck in FL

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:35 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
One of the kits I bought at the St Louis RPM is a different shape than what I’ve bought the last few years, more square. I like my boxes uniform, so I can stack the empty boxes by manufacturer on shelving under the layout. And to think my wife says I’m anal??
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Lumber moving on the Overland Route in '49

Mikebrock
 

Since we seem to have an interest in modeling some of the referenced traffic, lumber in this case, I decided to see HOW it was moved back in the spring of '49 on the Overland Route [ and it was a very good year...all my teams were winning, Big Boys didn't need to be refurbished, etc. ]. So, to the Fraley...and some surprises, and some not.

I looked at 4 "lumber" trains running east on the Overland Route between Rawlins and Laramie, WY.

First, the late Tim Gilbert put this data together using a copy of my 1949 Fraley Frt Conductor's book.

So far, I have analyzed 4 trains that were carrying at least 6 cars of lumber. There will be more to come.

1. Train 1 had one each ATSF, UP, NYC, GN, Mil and Q cars...all Box Cars.

2. Train 2 had 33 cars carrying lumber.

UP: 4
SP: 6
NYC:5
PA:2
GN:5
NP:3

Many RRs were represented by single cars including CGA, CNW, SPS, KCS, Erie

All were Box Cars. 12 went to KC, the rest through Omaha east.

3.Train 3 had 48 cars of lumber.

SP: 22
CNW:3
NYC:2
PA:2
GN:2
UP:1
Many RRs with one including IHB.

One MP gon, one NYC gon, one RDG gon, one P&LE gon, one EJE flat [ all carrying lumber ].

Three to KC, one to Beatrice, one to Kearny, one to Arnold.

4. Train 4 had 35 cars carrying lumber.

SP:7
PA:3
NYC:4
ATSF:2
MIL:4
UP:2
GN:2
NP:2

One GN flat [ 65010 ].
13 cars to KC, one to Salina, the rest through Omaha

Summary: SP had more cars by far although the rest of the

population does remind one of the Gilbert/Nelson population theory...with the exception of SP...again.

Box Cars also win. UP had one flat car in train 3, SP had 2 in train 3, PM had one flat in train 3. The well known photo of the flats carrying lumber on the SP made me expect to see more flats carrying lumber on the Overland Route.

More later.

Mike Brock


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

We saw our insurance agent yesterday because our house reno was done.  What with attaching the garage and adding wood floors throughout, our insurance went up 20%.  So in keeping with Tony’s plan, remove all wood from the interior and exterior of the house. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
 
 

Insurance companies don't like a lot of boxes lying around. They become fire hazards. I do not keep empty boxes, the risk is to great

 
    They probably don't like paint and solvents around, either; better get rid of them all. And books and magazines are flammable, so they really better go too. In fact, clothing and bedding burns pretty well, so you will want to remove most or all of those items too. Eventually you might be fire-safe.
 
Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
 



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