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Re: PS PS-3 open top hoppers

Justin May <jmay59@...>
 

At least one exexGN exBN car went on to become WICT 7010 and went to IRM (IRYM 7010) until it was panted back to GN 70104 to start the cycle again.
Mark,
I located the IRM site folder and went through every photo. For those needing to detail the new Tangent Scale Models PS-3 kit, it's a wealth of information.

http://www2.irm.org/blogs/archives/20-Great-Northern-70104.html

Use the "Next" link at the top of the page to navigate through the transformation of the car from initial condition to fully repainted.

So far based upon my research, I've determined the following roads used the following trucks:

ACL, 2750 cuft, ASF A-3 with Stein axle retainers, triangular shaped bearing caps
Alaska RR, 2960 cuft, National C-1, triangular shaped bearing caps
B&M, 2750 cuft, ASF A-3, roller bearings
DT&I, 2750 cuft, ASF A-3, solid bearings
GN, 2750 cuft, National C-1, 3 visibile springs, triangular shaped bearing caps
L&N, 2750 cuft, See list below. Later 2750 cuft series (153000-154699) used ASF A-3 ride control trucks with triangular shaped roller bearing caps, appearance of integrated roping staple on ends of car begins (1960, 1961 orders), and later 2960 cuft series exceed the scope of this list.
Rock Island, 2750 cuft, ASF A-3, solid bearings
Southern, 2750 cuft, ASF A-3, solid bearings
Utah, 2750 cuft, ASF A-3, solid bearings

For currently available accurate trucks, the use of the Tangent 100-1 for ASF A-3 with solid bearings is included with the kit. For those equipped with roller bearings, the Tangent ASF A-3 placed under their PRR X58 model is appropriate (B&M, some L&N). ACL's truck is best rendered by modifying the Tangent, Exactrail or Kato ASF A-3 roller bearing truck with two visible springs, and creating one's own Stein axle retainers, and the National C-1 truck design that Atlas produces is not correct given it is a solid bearing design for use on both GN and some L&N examples. Tahoe Model Works also produces a 70-ton ASF A-3 truck with a 5'8" wheelbase, but given the fidelity of the Tangent truck, I see no need to replace it.

As delivered L&N PS-3s rode on 5'8" trucks of the following designs:

73000-74499, ASF A-3, solid bearing (1957-1958) http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ln73735&o=ln
74500-74999, Barber S-2-A, solid bearing (1957-1958)
150000-151699, ASF A-3, solid bearing (1959) http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ln150000&o=ln
151700-152499, Barber S-2-A, solid bearing (1959)
152500-152999, National C-1, solid bearing (1959)
153000-154699, ASF A-3 , roller bearing (April-August 1960) http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ln153720&o=ln
154700-155599, ASF A-3 , roller bearing (January-February 1961)
155600-155874, ASF A-3 , roller bearing (May-June 1961) http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ln155607&o=ln
155875-156149, Barber S-2-A, roller bearing (May-June 1961) http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=ln156047&o=ln

Hope this helps PS-3 modelers,

Justin May


mortuary cars

ed_mines
 

thanks to all who answered my question.


Ed Mines


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Armand, I wish I’d started such a list years and years ago, but is it just a card file?  Why not on the computer (with a backup program such as Carbonite) in case of fire?

 

And Clark, you can buy uniform boxes.  Reboxx at least used to have kit-sized boxes.  But I understand, the “original box” notion . . .

 

Schuyler

 

I save all the boxes.I keep the cars not being used  in boxes on book shelves.In each box I have a car card with information such as  source,cost, purchase date,matching paint,weight, trucks ,couplers,repairs,last date on layout and value.And they are safe and do not collect dust.Armand Premo

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Clark, just run all your boxes through the trash compactor.

They will all be the same size then and leave you more room

for kits you might build someday. 

Chuck Peck in FL

 

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:35 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

One of the kits I bought at the St Louis RPM is a different shape than what I’ve bought the last few years, more square. I like my boxes uniform, so I can stack the empty boxes by manufacturer on shelving under the layout. And to think my wife says I’m anal??

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

 

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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

hvyweight41
 

Thank you Al. As a man with many years of resin experience, can you tell me if there is any color or type of resin I should avoid or be concerned about? Is there a good source for learning "all things resin"? Keith Kempster


Re: mortuary trains

james murrie
 

My apologies to Mike in advance because although the era matches STMFC the remains were emphatically not Freight, but Passenger, Deceased.
 However, in the interests of knowledge, to learn about the US Army mortuary cars get the current (Spring-Summer) issue of Railroad History magazine.  It has a 20 page article.  There was also a thread several years ago on the Yahoo Passenger Car List.
Jim Murrie


Re: Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car

SUVCWORR@...
 

Tony,

I am a BLI dealer and I will be splitting the 4 packs to sell single cars.  Just let me know what you want.

I generally price 10% over my cost plus shipping and I do not yet know what the discount will be on these as BLI has variable discounts on their products.

Rich Orr



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From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2015 7:41 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car



Gene Green wrote:

 
I am going to order Variety Pack A of the 6000 gallon tank cars from Broadway Ltd. so I can get the Ethyl Corporation tank car.   If anyone would like to buy one or more of the other three cars (Brown, Shippers or Stauffer), once they have arrived and I've received mine, I'll let them go for $25 each plus shipping.

   Does anyone want to split up any of the other BLI four-packs? I might be interested in participating.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: MONON box cars

Chad Boas
 

Also, #1271 was assigned to Globe Industries in Lowell Indiana.

Chad Boas


Re: PS PS-3 open top hoppers

caboose9792@...
 

 
 
In a message dated 8/26/2015 7:51:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
Bill,
The following roads and successors rostered the 2750 cubic foot 70-77 ton and 2960 85 ton variants:

Atlantic Coast Line (SCL)
Alaska Railroad
Boston and Maine
DT&I
Great Northern (BN)
L&N
Rock Island (ROCK)
Southern Railway (ACF built clones)
Utah Railway

Justin May
 
At least one exexGN exBN car went on to become WICT 7010 and went to IRM (IRYM 7010) until it was panted back to GN 70104 to start the cycle again. 
 
Mark Rickert


Re: Car Service Rules

lstt100
 

Local SP yard at Roseburg would have attempted to supply the correct car, in compliance with the rules.  Industries did not normally call and say I need a car in 4 or 5 hours.  Car orders were placed, anywhere from 24 hours to 5 days or more in advance.  This allowed railroad time to locate a car suitable for his load, destination and routing.  Also, many industries had standard loads on a weekly basis with standard routing that allowed car distributors to route specific ownership cars to locations with these specific needs.

Conductors usually did not make the decision on supplying cars.  We are talking about an era with a lot of agency employees and yardmasters.  Car Distributor and local agency clerks did not care about extra switching as long as the right car got to the right customer. 

Switch crews would build local and industry cuts to allow easy switching of industries.  The decision on equipment supplied was made before the crews went out into the yard to build trains and cars were lined up in switching order.

Dan Holbrook


Re: mortuary trains

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Charles and Ed,

These cars may have been converted from surplus Pullmans, but I think it more likely these are hospital cars where were converted earlier, or purpose-built for transporting wounded soldiers. The USATC had a huge fleet of such cars, as well as other types such as the better-known troop sleepers and kitchen cars (and boxcars--mandatory freight car content). Most of these were sold off as surplus after the war. The Monon bought a a bunch and converted them to regular passenger cars to completely modernize their fleet. Some are still around on tourist railroads.

All this is pretty much outside the scope of this group, so I will not risk the wrath of our fearless leader by saying more.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 9/4/15 7:21 PM, Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Here is a link to photos of  WWII mortuary cars.
Not coaches, Pullmans with windows blanked.
Charles Peck, a respectful vet.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 6:58 PM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

In a photo circa 1948 it looks like many of the cars are coaches which seems odd to me considering the passengers.


Are the cars from different railroads like on wartime military trains? Would off road cars be loaded when the caskets enter the US? Would cars be changed going from one railroad to another?


Apologies to anyone who thinks this discussion is outside of this groups charter.


Ed Mines




Re: Pacific Northwest Lumber Traffic

caboose9792@...
 

 
 
In a message dated 9/3/2015 5:23:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
I would suspect that rollers may have occurred much less during WWII - clearly demand was way up, so customers should have been in greater supply. I wonder if the explosion of "big" projects (such as Oak ridge, the blimp hangers on the west coast, and the many defense manufacturing plants framed from wood - a big source of future well-aged wood for the wood flooring business) also cut way down on rollers (customers ordering wood by the train load instead of car load)?
Also during the timeframe there was the issue of steel shortages and the replacement of wood for steel in construction jobs big and small such as "war emergency" freight cars and the last bit of glory for wooden boats and barges on the inland waterway system and government construction all over the country. Then there is the issue with all the military goods going overseas all had to be crated up for shipment plus any blocking and bracing for all the goods moving around with the increased industrial activity. 
 
Mark Rickert


Re: Lindberg stock car

Richard Townsend
 

There was an article inMM as I recall on making it into a reasonable MILW stock car.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

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From: ed_mines@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2015 3:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Lindberg stock car

 
Looks very nice for an older model.

Ed Mines


B&O Gondola color

Mark
 

I have a few resin kits of B&O gondolas and they claim the O-59 was red? All the photos, which are few. the cars appear black!

Mark Morgan



Re: MONON box cars

Allan Smith
 

The photo being refered to in the original post is  CIL 1271 blt 4-42 photo from the collection of Ken Harstine. The data reads 50' L 10'6" IH.
I can't find this car in any of the ORER's I have. 1944,1952,1953,1958.

Al Smith
Sonora CA



On Friday, September 4, 2015 4:52 PM, "mononinmonon@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Tom,

This car is from Monon series 1200-1299 built in April 1948.  They had Murphy diagonal panel roofs.  They had two 8ft doors with a clear opening of 15'-10".  The Monon Society offers Branchline kits of these cars. 

Scale Model Kits
 
The cars were renumbered early into three different series that had load restraints:

1301-1320, left door welded shut, Evans DF restraints.
1401-1480, left door welded shut, (4) Evans DF Bars
1481, Webs! ter Loaders

Later the 1401 series was further re-numbered into various 1500 number series with various Evans restraints.  It always amazes me that they welded the second door shut so soon.  It was a mystery for a long time which cars these were because the diagrams only show one door.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide



Re: Lindberg stock car

rwitt_2000
 

Ed,

I looked at my old notes about this Lindberg model which later also was offered by Mantua in their  "Heavy" Line.

The best match I could ever find for the prototype was a RDG  19000  series built ~3-1924 with an IL of 38-ft.

An article in the out-of-print Kalmbach "Easy to Build Rolling Stock" had a drawing and an article to scratch build one.

The end door and bracing on the model closely match the drawing except the old Lindberg model is too tall, too long and too wide.

John Swanson article in the January 1991 RMC shows how to convert the model to a MILW prototype.

Here's the best photo I could quickly find ...

Photo by Tony Cook

 


Regards,

Bob Witt


 


Re: Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car

Bill Welch
 

Gene, yes please, I want the Brown tank car, a Virginia company.

Bill Welch


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

 

Keith – Gray resin is white resin with black dye added.  - Al Westerfield
 
 

Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
 
 

First, thank you to all for your inciteful and helpful responses to my inquiry.

 
I would like to ask about "white resin" and why it is "good to go". Are the yellow resin kits a problem? What about grey?
 
Thanks,
Keith Kempster
Jacksonville, FL


---In STMFC@..., wrote :

The Boxes are of no real consequence as long as the resin is white you are good to go.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 


Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

hvyweight41
 

First, thank you to all for your inciteful and helpful responses to my inquiry.

I would like to ask about "white resin" and why it is "good to go". Are the yellow resin kits a problem? What about grey?

Thanks,
Keith Kempster
Jacksonville, FL


---In STMFC@..., <prrk41361@...> wrote :

The Boxes are of no real consequence as long as the resin is white you are good to go.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 

 


Re: Car Service Rules

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,

  Dan Holbrook's response below seems to imply that the RRs went thru
ever further reaching sources of supply to "fill an order".  I'm sure that
really happened from time to time - but I am wondering if those layers of
sources were used simply in order to meet the "car service rules" for a
box car ... 

  Let's set up a situation where a shipper somewhere on the West Coast
asks the SP for a box car to go to the East Coast.  Let's suppose that the
shipper is a plywood mill in Roseburg, Oregon.  Unless I'm taking Dan's
comments out of context he seems to imply that the SP would fill that
order first from whatever cars are in Roseburg, next from whatever cars
are in Eugene, and lastly from cars on adjacent divisions. 
  That's well and fine for a special car such as a depressed center flat.
But wouldn't the SP provide "the closest box car it can find"?  What I'm
asking is that if there was an empty -box car- right there in Roseburg
then wouldn't that car have been used ... "regardless of what the car
service rules would dictate" (i.e. no matter what road name it wore)?
  Certainly if there were two empties in Roseburg and one was an East
Coast car and the other was not ... then the East Coast car would be the
choice (assuming that the car service rules were followed). 

  And what would be the situation where that same East Coast box car
would -not- be selected?  For instance, let's say that some West Coast
car (an SP?) was to be picked up at another industry that would be
worked before the plywood mill ... and the East Coast car was at a 3rd
industry that would be worked after the mill ... wouldn't the RR use
the 'easier' car rather than come back to the plywood mill to deliver
the East Coast box car 'just' to follow the car service rules? 
  Who would make the decision(s) in this case?  The conductor or the
car clerk in the office (who is not there)?
  Would the SP change the order that industries were worked 'just' (?)
in order to satisfy the car service rules?  This seems possible for one
or two cars but could result in a significant increase in the time it
takes for the local working those industries to complete the work if
there were very many 'swaps' from one industry to another.
                                                                                                                - Jim B. 

On 9/3/2015 2:31 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
6a. Re: Car Service Rules
    Posted by:  lstt100@... lstt100@...
    Date: Thu Sep 3, 2015 1:39 pm ((PDT))

I'll add to Tony's comments based on my 42 year railroad career, which predates list, but I was hanging around with agency and car distributors as early as 1964 and did do car ordering, supply and distribution.



Under Car Service Rule 15 which stated "shippers were responsible for making a request with local agents concerning cars needed for loading, a specific date, the commodity to be loaded and the destination of the car." This information was placed on a request for empties form, each railroad had a different variations, but they all had them.  Lacking a car on hand at the station, the request was forwarded to local yard and or the car distributor in attempt to locate and appropriate car.  Lacking a car on the division the request was escalated to adjacent divisions.  Once an appropriate empty was found, even if it involved a backhaul, it was sent to the station for loading.  Agent noted the car on his industry request form noting the car initial and number that was provided for the specific load.  Car Service Division liked to go thru these reports and audit them for compliance.
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Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

I don't know about exploding paint and solvents, I only use acryilics. About all the other stuff, I am guilty


From: Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] ;
To: ;
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Funaro & Camerlengo kit box chronology(?)
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2015 5:09:27 PM



Insurance companies don't like a lot of boxes lying around. They become fire hazards. I do not keep empty boxes, the risk is to great


    They probably don't like paint and solvents around, either; better get rid of them all. And books and magazines are flammable, so they really better go too. In fact, clothing and bedding burns pretty well, so you will want to remove most or all of those items too. Eventually you might be fire-safe.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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