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Central Valley NP stock car model - NPRHA Decals - Back in Stock

Rufus Cone
 

Today, I was informed that the NPRHA decals for the Central Valley stock car model are back in stock at the NPRHA company store.

http://www1.storehost.com/stores/xq/xfm/Store_id.615/page_id.17/qx/store.htm

http://www1.storehost.com/stores/xq/xfm/store_id.615/page_id.23/Item_ID.167302/parent_ids.0,0,1/qx/store.htm

Regarding the exceptional NPRHA set of decals for this model, I am told that

"They have been reordered, but the lead time is not known"
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Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT
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Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT


Re: RE; Car Service Rules

np328
 

    I do like this subject and have researched it off on and on for many years as time has allowed, either transcribing or uploading documents when applicable. And hope to or may do so again in the future.

   However, I cannot help but feel Bruce is correct.                     Jim Dick - Roseville, MN 


HO Intermountain ATSK Stockcars and Speedwitch decals

Brian Carlson
 

In my I’ll probably never get to these pile are two Intermountain undec Stock cars with AB brakes and a set of Speedwitch decals to do the cars. If anyone is interested contact me OFFLINE at prrk41361 at yahoo.com (change the AT to @) I’m asking $45 for the pair including the decals plus USPS Priority mail shipping.

 

Again contact me off list, Moderate Jail is pretty miserable this time of year.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY

 


Re: Classic Trains Special Editions

Scott H. Haycock
 

Nelson,

Issue 4 is called "Diesel Victory", and the 2009 issue I have is "In Search of Steam, Vol. II, 1954-1955" This one, however is not numbered.



Scott Haycock


 

Since the subject magazine covers the steam era, I hope my request is appropriate for this forum. I’ve compiled a list of Classic Trains Special Editions except for Volume 4 from 2006 and Volume 7 from 2009. I’ve searched the internet in vain for the titles of these two issues. An inquiry to Kalmbach is unanswered at this writing, and it’s been over a week since I asked them to help me out. Please, somebody tell me the titles of these two issues so I can watch for them in an effort to complete my collection.

 

Nelson Moyer



Classic Trains Special Editions

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Since the subject magazine covers the steam era, I hope my request is appropriate for this forum. I’ve compiled a list of Classic Trains Special Editions except for Volume 4 from 2006 and Volume 7 from 2009. I’ve searched the internet in vain for the titles of these two issues. An inquiry to Kalmbach is unanswered at this writing, and it’s been over a week since I asked them to help me out. Please, somebody tell me the titles of these two issues so I can watch for them in an effort to complete my collection.

 

Nelson Moyer


Re: Broadway Limited 6000 gallon chemical tank car

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Note also that BLI has updated their web page at:


All of the prototype cars are now illustrated with ACF photos from the Hawkins/Wider/Long collection.

For images of the assortments, drill through "View More Images" to see the individual cars.

Dick

On Sep 6, 2015, at 2:54 PM, SUVCWORR@... [STMFC] wrote:

 


Dealer orders were due 9/4  with a delivery date of spring 2016.

Rich Orr



Re: MONON box cars

Michael Aufderheide
 

Al,

It is not showing up in the first ORER you mention because the build date is 4/47, not 42.  These were the Monon's first 50 foot boxcars.  As I mentioned, they were renumbered out of the 1200 series quickly, so the cars are in the 1300, 1400 & 1500 series and are not listed under 1200 later.  The Monon did have a series of 40 foot cars in appliance service that were renumbered out of the 9000 series into the 1201-1225 in 1947.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: RE; Car Service Rules

Bruce Smith
 

Folks

This discussion has gone from interesting to ridiculous.

Whatever will happen in 1982 (or whenever you might eventually work for some other railroad) is irrelevant to this list.  Technology will change, attitudes will change, rules will change.  So while it is all well and good that some folks seem to have a crystal ball that tells them what will happen in the future (past 1960), for the purposes of this discussion, not only is it irrelevant, but also almost certainly fails to be correct.

Of course, since I model 1944, I don't give a flame about most of the car service rules anyway.  And why, you might ask, were car service rules suspended during WWII?  Excellent question, because the answer is to improve efficiency.  Now, THAT implies that if the rules had not been suspended, that efficiency was lowered by the need to actually try to follow the car service rules. As others have noted, the boxcar loading rules did not require foreign cars to be loaded to the home road, just in that general direction.  Railroads complied because they wanted other railroads to comply.  It was jointly beneficial.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Car Service Rules

Paul Koehler
 

Robert:

 

Like me you must have worked for the SP.  That was the same attitude at Los Angeles, keep the customer happy.

 

Paul C. Koehler

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 6:44 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Car Service Rules

 

 

Jim,

 

At the railroads I've worked at, almost no effort by the clerks, and zero by the yardmasters, went into satisfying car service rules.  Everyone was too busy trying to get the job at hand done, right now.  I would never delay getting a usuable car to a customer because of car service rules as customers mean income.  They get upset when they are told to wait... don't even ask, keep them happy because they might make a call to the sales & marketing manager or VP.  No clerk or agent is going to get yelled at for "violating" a car service rule to do right by a customer.

 

Robert Simpson

 



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Dan and all,

 ...it still prompts me to ask ... just
how much effort - or delayed delivery to the shipper - did the
RRs really go to in order to satisfy the car service rules?
  I'm guessing that most shippers were unhappy with any delays
 in the delivery of the car (for most loads for most shippers)...


                                                                           - Jim B.


Re: RE; Car Service Rules

John Larkin
 

George hit a bullseye with the comment on per diem.  When I first started railroading with UP in 1982 I did a study of the yard office operations.  Among the other surprises was the priority given to getting foreign cars off the UP property before midnight, even running special trains (often shorter than normal) just to get the cars off before the next day's per diem would be due.  I asked how long that had gone on like that and was told that it had been that way since most of the clerks started work at UP, which went back into WWII in many cases. 

Another commensurate note was that the D&RGW in particular seemed to be pretty good at getting the UP cars to us, running their own "per diem" trains that were sometimes solid UP cars, again not particularly long.  This also had a history from the steam era according to the UP clerks working in Salt Lake.  Seems using the foreign cars came second to getting rid of the per diem, and UP in the local office delighted in getting UP cars sent back east on long runs that were interchanged at KC or Omaha due in part to the per diem they would collect..

John Larkin



On Sunday, September 6, 2015 12:53 PM, "george eichelberger geichelberger@... [STMFC]" wrote:


I have no doubt the Southern did not send cars off line simply because they had an excessive supply. There are multiple Southern Railway AFEs (Authorization for Expenditures) available that specifically mention positive per diem balances as part of the rationale to purchase the equipment. Is the comment about western and eastern roads based on specific documentation or someone’s assumptions? Does the extensive AAR documentation on car availability and car purchases in the years after the war confirm this eastern-western theory?

I would be very interested in seeing any primary research information that describes cars being trapped by the ACL, SAL, L&N or Southern. I recognize that various railroads entered bankruptcy during the depression, after the war and into the (forbidden) modern era. I also recognize that of the railroads I mention, only the SAL ever went through a bankruptcy, none were dismembered, abandoned a large part of their system or found themselves in such dire straits that they sold or merged themselves out of existence. (I believe it is correct to consider the RI, MILW and SP “western” roads?)

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Re: white lines on boxcar doors and other markings

Guy Wilber
 

Ian wrote:

"This will depend on the ORER being referenced, as this extra material only appeared in certain eras."

My reference was to the (Scott's) 1965 ORER. Bulletin 28 was originally issued in 1939 reflecting the new markings for auto cars adopted that year. It was issued as a separate document until it first appeared in the January, 1945 issue of the ORER.

For Evans Auto~Loader and NYC loader markings from 1933 thru mid 1939 the standards were printed within the ARA & AAR manuals and consisted of nine different door markings in addition to the 3" white door stripe, thus the simplifications of 1939.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: LV Door selection

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Would it be practical to cut out N ribs from the top section and N-1 from the bottom section and exchange them?

Alex Schneider

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 10:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] LV Door selection






As posted several months ago, CB&T car shops 6' Youngstown door is a one-year only variation. The debut of the post-war Youngstown door was in 1947and featured 6/6/5 IYD spacing. All subsequent post-war YSD had changed to the 5/6/6 spacing. You need to find a door from:
Red Caboose 5/6/6 IYD from their ACF 40' box cars.
Intermountain 5/6/6 IYD from their modified AAR box cars


Branchline/Atlas Blueprint from their AAR 40' box cars
Kadee from their PS-1 box cars available w/ molded tack boards in either high or lowered position.





I have many of the RC and Intermountain doors.


-Andy Carlson



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From: "'Alex Schneider' aschneiderjr@sbcglobal.net <mailto:aschneiderjr@sbcglobal.net> [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com> >

Perfect, just what I needed. Thanks very much.

Alex Schneider


Alex:

Go to the Fallen Flag website. The LV 63699 is in a group that has 7' wide Youngstown doors and Dreadnaught 1+3/4 ends. Other details are visible in those photos, but looks like an AAR 1944-style car.

Not sure of the GMO cars. Probably some on that site too.

-- John


Re: white lines on boxcar doors and other markings

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2015-07-07, at 3:47 PM, Guy Wilber guycwilber@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Scott wrote:

"If memory serves, a horizontal white line on the main door of a boxcar meant it had auto loading racks inside. And there are other markings referring to load restraining devices. What I can't remember is in which book should I be looking for this info. I thought it was in the ORER, but a look in a 1965 edition turned up nothing."

If your ORER is complete you will find the quarterly copy of Bulletin 28 within the Editorial section. Bulletin 28 dealt strictly with auto cars and does not contain information on load restraining devices.


This will depend on the ORER being referenced, as this extra material only appeared in certain eras.  That being said, my July 1955 ORER has the aforementioned Bulletin 28, and this is followed by a listing of automobile cars complete with descriptions of rack types and number of floor tubes.

Specifically:

1: cars equipped with loading racks are to be marked with long 3" white stripes below center on main side door, full length, both sides of cars.

2: Inside height of car at center to be stencilled in 2" high black figures in center of white stripe on each main side door

3: Number of floor tubes in car (8/12/14/16) as well as the type of rack in car (A/B/C/D-/D/T) to be stencilled approximately 2" below white stripe in center of main side door (example "8D"). See note 5 for non-Evans racks.

4: If adjustments have been made to the rack or car to suit certain shippers, and some designation is desired, it can be done by the individual road. Marking cars by letters other than those assigned to types of racks, or by other characters, locating same 2" below floor tube and rack marking using 3" white character or letter (example "X").

5: Cars equipped with racks other than the Evans rack should have in markings located 2" below white stripe: number of floor tubes, letter designating make before abbreviation for rack ("N" for New York Central, "A" for AAR type, etc), character showing Evans rack equivalent (example "8ND-" meaning 8 floor tubes, New York Central rack equivalent to D- design).

6: Any cars equipped with only one rack to have white bar 2" x 8" extending up vertically from center of stripe on both main side doors.




LV Door selection

Andy Carlson
 

 
As posted several months ago, CB&T car shops 6' Youngstown door is a one-year only variation. The debut of the post-war Youngstown door was in 1947and featured 6/6/5 IYD spacing. All subsequent post-war YSD had changed to the 5/6/6 spacing. You need to find a door from:
Red Caboose 5/6/6 IYD from their ACF 40' box cars.
Intermountain 5/6/6 IYD from their modified AAR box cars
Branchline/Atlas Blueprint from their AAR 40' box cars
Kadee from their PS-1 box cars available w/ molded tack boards in either high or lowered position.

I have many of the RC and Intermountain doors.
-Andy Carlson


From: "'Alex Schneider' aschneiderjr@... [STMFC]"

 
Perfect, just what I needed. Thanks very much.
 
Alex Schneider



Alex:
 
Go to the Fallen Flag website.  The LV 63699 is in a group that has 7' wide Youngstown doors and Dreadnaught 1+3/4 ends.  Other details are visible in those photos, but looks like an AAR 1944-style car.
 
Not sure of the GMO cars.  Probably some on that site too.
 
-- John






Re: Door selection

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Perfect, just what I needed. Thanks very much.

 

Alex Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 7:02 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Door selection

 



Alex:

 

Go to the Fallen Flag website.  The LV 63699 is in a group that has 7' wide Youngstown doors and Dreadnaught 1+3/4 ends.  Other details are visible in those photos, but looks like an AAR 1944-style car.

 

Not sure of the GMO cars.  Probably some on that site too.

 

-- John





Re: Car Service Rules

Geodyssey
 

Jim,


At the railroads I've worked at, almost no effort by the clerks, and zero by the yardmasters, went into satisfying car service rules.  Everyone was too busy trying to get the job at hand done, right now.  I would never delay getting a usuable car to a customer because of car service rules as customers mean income.  They get upset when they are told to wait... don't even ask, keep them happy because they might make a call to the sales & marketing manager or VP.  No clerk or agent is going to get yelled at for "violating" a car service rule to do right by a customer.


Robert Simpson




---In STMFC@..., <jimbetz@...> wrote :

Dan and all,

 ...it still prompts me to ask ... just
how much effort - or delayed delivery to the shipper - did the
RRs really go to in order to satisfy the car service rules?
  I'm guessing that most shippers were unhappy with any delays
 in the delivery of the car (for most loads for most shippers)...

                                                                           - Jim B.


Re: Tichy models of ACL flats and gondolas

John Sykes III
 

I'm not an ACL wonk, so I might be wrong, but I think most of those flat cars were either in MOW service or had pulpwood bulkheads added by the mid-1950s, so in either case would not be found offline in 1960.  They had the class changed when modified, which is why I have some trouble following their history.  The Tichy car is really not an ACL prototype, but is very close.

As far as the lettering, my impression is that only the steamers, early diesels and passenger cars had the aluminum lettering.  Later it was dropped, since it was labor-intensive to apply (they used aluminum leaf as far as I know, which is applied the same as gold leaf -  PRR dropped that in the early 1950s to save costs).  Again, I really don't specialize in ACL, and especially their passenger cars, but I think they went from aluminum leaf on a purple letterboard to black letters on a plain stainless steel background.  Need help here though.

-- John


Re: Tichy models of ACL flats and gondolas

Justin May <jmay59@...>
 

My impression is that by 1960 they were held to on-line service only. Is that true?
Jim,
By 1954, only 21 of the P-11 series remained. Other groups are the P-9, and sub-groups such as the P-11C, P-11G, and others from the absorption of AB&C, such as the P-15 class. Speaking in generalities, yes, most of those cars that remained in revenue service were being utilized by on-line customers only, as there wasn't a need for a 40-ton flat car by most shippers. Most were constructed in 1914, 1917 (40-ton capacity), with the P-15 class being constructed in 1926 and rated for 50-ton capacity. We ran a nice illustrated article of these cars in the Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler Issue 17 featuring the work of Tom Christensen along with several prototype photos.

http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/magimages/sclm17coverfull.jpg
http://s-clmodeler.aclsal.org/index.htm

Would there be any reasonable excuse for an interchange escapee in 1960? Also, wasn't ACL lettering aluminum, not white? If so, are there any appropriate aluminum ACL decals for these cars?
Yes. See Liljestrand and Sweetland's Atlantic Coast Line Freight Cars book for a nice in-service shot of ACL 76771 on 10/10/1961.

The Mainline Modeler article by Mark Montague from May 1984 features a good collection of these cars as well in numerous types of service albeit most are pre-1960. ACL freight car lettering was either white, yellow, or red, never silver as that was reserved for motive power. These particular cars were lettered in white and the included Tichy decals are good.

Justin May


Re: Door selection

John Sykes III
 

Alex:

Go to the Fallen Flag website.  The LV 63699 is in a group that has 7' wide Youngstown doors and Dreadnaught 1+3/4 ends.  Other details are visible in those photos, but looks like an AAR 1944-style car.

Not sure of the GMO cars.  Probably some on that site too.

-- John


Re: Car Service Rules

Dave Nelson
 

Seems to me the SCO90 charts would be of considerable interest to both this group and the OPSIG group.  I wonder where they might be found today?

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 1:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Car Service Rules

 

When a car was located in an area that had no direct connection to owner, the railroad was obligated by record rights to return the car in the reverse of the loaded movement.  Much of this was solved when SCO90 was implemented in 1953 and short home routes were specified to get cars back home to owners with no regard to record rights. SCO90 charts specified who would take what owners cars at what junction points.

Dan Holbrook

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