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Re: Erie ARA-1923 boxcar ends

ed_mines
 

Sorry, meant to write inverse Buckeye.


Impressions are neither totally in or out of the plane of the end.


Ed Mines


Re: Erie ARA-1923 boxcar ends

ed_mines
 

Inverse Buckeye.


No exact models.


Ed Mines


Re: Erie's rebuilt steel boxcars

Eric Hansmann
 

Can anyone offer a date when the Erie rebuilt these cars?

Were these originally single-sheathed or double-sheathed box cars? I assume they
were DS cars, but verification is a good thing.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX



On September 30, 2015 at 9:33 AM "radepierre@... [STMFC]"
<STMFC@...> wrote:


Bill - That would be correct. Ten to WIF&SC.
In addition, several sold to ACY in the 200 number series, and several to
CIM in the 500 number series.


Ron dePierre
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: Erie ARA-1923 boxcar ends

Tim O'Connor
 

"reverse Buckeye" as far as I know.

No models that I know of.


Erie ARA-1923 boxcar ends

D. Scott Chatfield
 


Re: Reefers and permanent false floors

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:

    Think of it this way. Not only would the false floor be unlikely to support the weight of  a fork lift but the false floor was not needed when pallets were used. As you have noted, the false floor provided space for air circulation but the pallets, by their own construction, provided the same thing and, thus, the false floor was not needed when pallets were used.


    Don't know for sure about other reefer owners, but these statements are precisely BACKWARDS for PFE. The false floors, used in early mechanical reefers, DID support forklift trucks, as they were designed to do, and PFE encouraged shippers NOT to send pallets as part of their shipment. PFE people I interviewed said that practically everyone went along and did NOT send pallets.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Erie's rebuilt steel boxcars

John Sutkus
 

Bill,
That would be A&EC, the Atlantic & East Carolina Railway, the Tobacco Belt Route.
John Sutkus


Re: A few freight cars

Jack Mullen
 

Eric,
Thanks for your response identifying these cars.  I'd suspected the hopper was a home road car, but had never noticed DL&W's practice of omitting their initials on the car end. Now that you've pointed it out, I see it in other photos, including the one in the same series with boxcars spotted at the mill.

Jack Mullen


Re: ART wood reefers

Dave Nelson
 

Would you consider sharing a copy of it?

 

Dave Nelson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 7:42 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] ART wood reefers

 

 

I recently came across an O scale blue print drawing of ART reefer 21594 (series no's 19000 to 21999) by Carroll Schmidt dated 8/17/40.

Comparing it to photo of 21108 it's near dead on including short doors, angles on corners and tack boards.

The drawing has an outside metal roof and hatch platforms. Fishbelly underframe, closer toTichy flat car underframe but not identical.

 

Ed Mines


Re: Modeling Wabash War Emergency 40-ft. Boxcars

Pierre Oliver
 

Mark Vaughn Set E-1
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 9/30/15 10:42 AM, 'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Pierre, fine modeling, as always.  Whose decals did you use? 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
and busy adding AB brakes and KC brakes to resin boxcars
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 9:48 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Modeling Wabash War Emergency 40-ft. Boxcars
 
 

Pierre Oliver has a fine item on his blog about how to model the distinctive Wabash War Emergency boxcars using the InterMountain kit: Elgin Car Shops - The Wabash Railroad in Southern Ontario, circa 1951

 

Maybe Andy Carlson will offer a special deal on these kits. MKT had their own version, also distinctive especially with their fishbelly center sills.

 

Bill Welch

 



Re: Modeling Wabash War Emergency 40-ft. Boxcars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have a question on a similar OB Wabash boxcar. Being an SP modeler my knowledgeof mid-west boxcars is very limited.
Years ago I picked up an Overland Wabash outdside bracwed boxcar that had been factory painted and lettered. The
car was lettered n the 76000 series. The large WABASH is to the left of the door. The ends are 5-5-5 and the roof is
radial. The diagonal bracing on the sides run in the opposite direction to the was emergency boxcar and they do not have
the gussets on the top. I would like to find a prototype p;hoto of this car or at least determine that there is a WABASH
prototype for it.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: Erie's rebuilt steel boxcars

Norm Buckhart
 

all those A&EC cars were hand me downs from parent Southern RR with sq corners.  Protocraft has A&EC decals in O scale for these.  Norm Buckhart

On Sep 30, 2015, at 10:16 AM, mguill1224@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Might have been Atlantic & East Carolina.  I think the logo had a tobacco leaf.



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Bill -  That would be correct.  Ten to WIF&SC.

In addition, several sold to ACY in the 200 number series,  and several to CIM in the 500 number series.


Ron dePierre




Re: Reefers and permanent false floors

Tony Thompson
 

Doug Harding wrote:

 
Mark the false floors were designed for air circulation as well as drainage. Think of pallets. Ones I have seen were hinged so they could be swung up against the wall, for cleaning the car, then laid back down for loading.

       Correct, many photos in PFE book.

 The lack of false floors could be to accommodate fork lifts putting in palletized loads. I don’t think the false floors could withstand the weight of a fork lift. But I do know for sure. Hopefully someone else knows.

        A number of cargoes, particularly meat, were not shipped in cars with "floor racks" (as PFE called them). In the days of mechanical reefers, starting in the early 1950s, most shippers did NOT put the pallets in the car, but used slip sheets to slide the load off the pallet, or else hand-stacked the load into the car. Pallets take up space and weight, why ship them, was the idea.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Erie's rebuilt steel boxcars

 

Might have been Atlantic & East Carolina.  I think the logo had a tobacco leaf.


---In STMFC@..., <radepierre@...> wrote :

Bill -  That would be correct.  Ten to WIF&SC.

In addition, several sold to ACY in the 200 number series,  and several to CIM in the 500 number series.


Ron dePierre


Re: Reefers and permanent false floors

riverman_vt@...
 

Doug,

     Think of it this way. Not only would the false floor be unlikely to support the weight of 
a fork lift but the false floor was not needed when pallets were used. As you have noted,
the false floor provided space for air circulation but the pallets, by their own construction,
provided the same thing and, thus, the false floor was not needed when pallets were used.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Erie's rebuilt steel boxcars

ed_mines
 

Car ends?


See Fallen Flags>Erie Lack.>freight cars>box cars>70301


Some also went to a Mexican railroad. Charles Winters offered a photo of one of these.


Ed Mines


Re: Modeling Wabash War Emergency 40-ft. Boxcars

Andy Carlson
 

Doesn't matter which roof version war emergency box car kit you find, as the Intermountain rec panel roof is unusable and should be substituted with an RC '37 AAR roof (if you can find one).

-Andy

From: "'Scott H. Haycock ' shhaycock@... [STMFC]"

 

If you're looking for the kit through a dealer, you want kit #41070, with the rectangular panel roof.











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prr282
 

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Please visit our web site:


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There you will find a complete timetable, hotel information, and a registration form.


Please plan to join us like 305 people did in 2014.


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Re: Modeling Wabash War Emergency 40-ft. Boxcars

Scott H. Haycock
 

I noticed that this link only gets you part of the way. Type E-1 into the search box, then scroll down



Scott Haycock


 

The annotated photo on Pierre's site says to use Mark Vaughn's set E-1. I have one of the IM kits and a set of these decals. This car is one of the cars shown in the multi-page information sheet set that comes with the decals.  Here's the link
;


If you're looking for the kit through a dealer, you want kit #41070, with the rectangular panel roof. There is an article by Pat O'Boyle about this specific car in the December 1997 issue of Mainline Modeler, as well as these cars in general in RPC, vol. 19.  Tahoe Model Works trucks # 107/207 are spot-on for this car. 

I'm in for a group build!



Scott Haycock



Re: Modeling Wabash War Emergency 40-ft. Boxcars

Scott H. Haycock
 

The annotated photo on Pierre's site says to use Mark Vaughn's set E-1. I have one of the IM kits and a set of these decals. This car is one of the cars shown in the multi-page information sheet set that comes with the decals.  Here's the link
;


If you're looking for the kit through a dealer, you want kit #41070, with the rectangular panel roof. There is an article by Pat O'Boyle about this specific car in the December 1997 issue of Mainline Modeler, as well as these cars in general in RPC, vol. 19.  Tahoe Model Works trucks # 107/207 are spot-on for this car. 

I'm in for a group build!



Scott Haycock


 

Andy sent me a message offline saying there is "No Joy" regarding these kits at this time. The manufacturers' current business mode regarding undecorated kits is so frustrating. This kind of project would make a very good "Group Build" kind of activity involving some scratch building. While a resin group build is always possible, it seems to me that styrene is a more inviting way to get people involved in building something, especially if they are inexperienced.


I don't know what decals Pierre used but I would use Mark Vaughn/s set referred to in Jim Hayes' notes. They are comprehensive and very well done. He is usually at Lisle and Cocoa Beach.

Bill Welch



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