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Re: Interchange point question

Doug Paasch
 

Technically, that is not quite correct.  A section of the GN linked the WP to the Oregon Trunk.  Bieber was the connection between WP and GN, and Klamath Falls was the connection between GN and SP&S (Oregon Trunk).  The GN's "California Extension" was built in order to complete the inside gateway because the NP wouldn't agree with having the SP&S build from K Falls to Bieber.  So the WP and the SP&S did connect but they did so via the GN.

Doug Paasch

On Oct 10, 2015 11:21 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

Alex, the WP and SP&S were directly connected via the Oregon Trunk
from Bieber CA - Klamath Falls CA - Bend OR - Wishram WA. This line
is now part of the BNSF.




>Jeff Wilson’s “Freight Cars of the ‘40s and ‘50s” has a table tracing the travels of LV boxcar 62000 in 1954, illustrating how little time such cars spent on their home roads.
>
>However, there may be a mistake. The table indicates the car was received by the Western Pacific on 4/15 and by the Spokane, Portland & Seattle on 4/19, with no intervening entries. Those two roads don’t come close to each other.  The January 1953 ORER (NMRA reprint) confirms this, as neither road lists the other as a connection.
>
>Does anyone have access to the original Pullman Standard ad from which this was taken to see if it was miscopied for the book or if the mistake was in the original?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Alex Schneider



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Re: Interchange point question

Tim O'Connor
 

Alex, the WP and SP&S were directly connected via the Oregon Trunk
from Bieber CA - Klamath Falls CA - Bend OR - Wishram WA. This line
is now part of the BNSF.

Jeff Wilson�s �Freight Cars of the �40s and �50s� has a table tracing the travels of LV boxcar 62000 in 1954, illustrating how little time such cars spent on their home roads.

However, there may be a mistake. The table indicates the car was received by the Western Pacific on 4/15 and by the Spokane, Portland & Seattle on 4/19, with no intervening entries. Those two roads don�t come close to each other. The January 1953 ORER (NMRA reprint) confirms this, as neither road lists the other as a connection.

Does anyone have access to the original Pullman Standard ad from which this was taken to see if it was miscopied for the book or if the mistake was in the original?

Thanks.

Alex Schneider


Interchange point question

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

Jeff Wilson’s “Freight Cars of the ‘40s and ‘50s” has a table tracing the travels of LV boxcar 62000 in 1954, illustrating how little time such cars spent on their home roads.

 

However, there may be a mistake. The table indicates the car was received by the Western Pacific on 4/15 and by the Spokane, Portland & Seattle on 4/19, with no intervening entries. Those two roads don’t come close to each other.  The January 1953 ORER (NMRA reprint) confirms this, as neither road lists the other as a connection.

 

Does anyone have access to the original Pullman Standard ad from which this was taken to see if it was miscopied for the book or if the mistake was in the original?

 

Thanks.

 

Alex Schneider


Livestock through Chicago

midrly
 

Was it possible for livestock travelling thorough Chicago from a Western road like ATSF or RI to be reloaded in those roads' cars for furtherance to points on Eastern roads?


With thanks in advance,


Steve Lucas.


Re: Yale University's Photogrammar

Michael Aufderheide
 

Bill,

Thank you for the great link.  This photo features a trio of Pennsy hoppers one of which looks like the elusive H27:

http://photogrammar.research.yale.edu/photos/service/pnp/fsa/8b36000/8b36300/8b36374v.jpg

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: Sterlingworth Hopper car question

Jim Mischke
 




More information:  here is the patent.


link:  https://patents.google.com/patent/US690559A/en?q=sterlingworth&q=car


I understand that the trucks are uniqu as well, dubbed "Sterlingworth" trucks.


This Philadelphia Transit view is the first I have ever seen in service.   Desite contemporary trade journal ballyhopo, a lot of these odd freight cars are one-of's and the prototype did not sell either.



Re: Yale University's Photogrammar

Gerry Fitzgerald
 

You could also read my guest blog post from August of 2014 called “A Thousand Words.” That post  examines Photogrammer from a model railroading perspective and also explains the history and function of the site as a digital humanities tool.

 

http://modelrailroaddesign.blogspot.com/

 

Gerard J. Fitzgerald

Charlottesville, Virginia


Yale University's Photogrammar

Bill Welch
 

Earlier this week PBS's News Hour had a story about a new resource that is a searchable data base for the FSA/OWI Collection housed at the Library of Congress. Have fun!

Photogrammar

Bill Welch


Re: old MILW MofW tankID

Tony Thompson
 

The ARA III designation was the predecessor to ICC 103 (which started in 1927) and which remained the correct lettering on cars built before 1927. Later repainting of such cars should and usually did retain the ARA III spec ID.
Tony Thompson 



On Oct 9, 2015, at 1:13 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

With the four piece tank? I thought the Proto cars had the common three piece tank. Anyway, the car in Scott's photo is clearly marked ARAIII, which is what I thought the designation for these war babies was.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Andy Sperandeo

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

Mention has been made of Glenn Joesten as follow-up member of John Allen’s G&D group either at the end of, or after Andy’s departure from Monterey.  

If memory serves, Glenn was also a member of the the Menlo Park, CA West Bay Model Railroad Club while I was an active member there c. 1958-64.   I do not recall any mention of G&D, although I am certain that his experience must have been a subject of interest, or…. envy (we all knew about G&D largely because of the Varney ads - still great to look at today).  

Also if memory serves, Glenn has been living in rural Scott Valley (in the Siskiyous near Yreka in northern California), still interested in railroad modeling -primarily vintage- and I believe that I sent him some parts not too many years ago.  I do hope that he is still living.

Denny

 
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA


Re: PA State Archives

Dave Nelson
 

Thanks for the info – much appreciated!

 

Dave Nelson

 

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You would be looking for MG-393 for pullman standard of Butler PA. The inventory on the Web shows drawings

 

Contact. Kurt Bell at 717-787-5304

 

Google. Pa state archive MG-393

 

Mark Landgraf

Albany NY


Re: USRA Freight Car Assignments resource

Brian Termunde
 

Thank you both Eric for the original list, and Claus for adding the N Scale info and links. Both are greatly appreciated!

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT
 
"My Train of Thought left the station without me!"


-3b. Re: USRA Freight Car Assignments resource
    Posted by: "Claus Schlund HGM" claus@... clausschlund
    Date: Wed Oct 7, 2015 11:46 am ((PDT))

HI Eric,

Thanks for this very useful resource. I'm sure I will be refering to it frequently.

I will add that in N scale we have the following models available:


Re: old MILW MofW tankID

Ed Hawkins
 


On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Ed Hawkins hawk0621@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

lot 3101, 200 cars, SHPX 2586-2985, 11,000 gal., ICC-105A400W


Apologies for a typo, the 200 cars in lot 3101 were SHPX 2586-2785. 

Also, photos of several cars on the old u/f of SHPX USG-A tank cars appear in Ed Kaminksi’s ACF Tank Cars book on p. 56-58.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: old MILW MofW tankID

Ed Hawkins
 


On Oct 9, 2015, at 3:34 PM, 'Bruce F. Smith' smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

USG-A war emergency tanks were ARA II tanks, which was a step backwards and limited their usefulness.

Bruce & Dennis,
This is true. About four years after 753 SHPX 10,000 gal. USG-A tank cars were built in late 1942 to 1943 (SHPX 17000-17752, lot 2521), many were returned to have new tanks installed by ACF on the original Type 27 underframes having 27’-1 1/2” truck centers and 37’-7 5/8” over end sills. In 1947, 520 “new” tank cars were delivered in five lot numbers:

lot 3019, 50 cars, SHPX 9800-9849, 8,000 gal. insulated ICC-103
lot 3020, 50 cars, SHPX 4800-4949, 8,000 gal. insulated ICC-103W
lot 3021, 200 cars, SHPX 18200-18399, 10,000 gal insulated ICC-103
lot 3078, 20 cars, DUPX 4351-4370, 8,000 gal. AAR 201A35W
lot 3101, 200 cars, SHPX 2586-2985, 11,000 gal., ICC-105A400W

There may have been more new tanks installed on additional old u/f from the USG-A tank cars from lot 2521, however, these 5 lots are the only ones I have been able to confirm.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Re: Andy Sperandeo

markgro78
 

Check out Andy Sperandeo's appearance on "The Roundhouse" from Model Railroader Video Plus, in which he talks about his experiences being part of John Allen's G&D operating crew. The MRVP crew has made this episode FREE to view in honor of Andy, so there's no subscriptions, sign-ups, or anything necessary to watch it.

Here's the link:

http://mrr.trains.com/sitecore/content/home/articles/2014/09/the-roundhouse-episode-21

Mark Grotkiewicz

---In STMFC@..., <cvlk@...> wrote :

Gene-

The impact of John Allen and the G&D Operators needs to be further documented.  I’ve heard of the G&D being operated before but I think the subject deserves to be explored…maybe in a way as a tribute to Andy?

Thanks,
Charlie Vlk

 



Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor pointed out:
except there are THREE rivet patterns !

No sh*t, Sherlock. Chris detailed all three in the original document (which I can't find at the moment), but I only had this snippet available.


Ben Hom


Re: Sterlingworth Hopper car question

Dennis Storzek
 




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Around 1900, one of the brake beam manufacturers, Sterlingworth, decided to try its hand at manufacturing whole freight cars with a horizontal ribbed hopper car.   There is a current ebay photo, mislabeled as a gondola and debatable Philadelphia Transit identity.


I donno how debatable... Considering there is trolley rail along the track and the car in the foreground has what appears to be a D3EG electric air compressor mounted on the end platform.


Interesting design; just stack up the channels until you reach the top. Likely very heavy for what it is; not a very efficient use of material.


Dennis Storzek


Re: PA State Archives

mark_landgraf
 

You would be looking for MG-393 for pullman standard of Butler PA. The inventory on the Web shows drawings

Contact. Kurt Bell at 717-787-5304

Google. Pa state archive MG-393

Mark Landgraf
Albany NY

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Anyone familiar with the holdings of the Standard Steel Car Co at the PA State Archives?  Any mechanical drawings present?

 

Dave Nelson



Re: PA State Archives

ROGER HINMAN
 

Yes quite a lot; the have a Finding Aid available on their website.  The strength of their collection is in pre WW1 freight cars, but they also have a large amount of smaller drawing copies of passenger car and later freight cars.


Roger Hinman

On Oct 9, 2015, at 4:16 PM, 'Dave Nelson' Lake_Muskoka@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Anyone familiar with the holdings of the Standard Steel Car Co at the PA State Archives?  Any mechanical drawings present?

 

Dave Nelson




Re: old MILW MofW tankID

Ed Hawkins
 


On Oct 9, 2015, at 3:13 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

With the four piece tank? I thought the Proto cars had the common three piece tank. Anyway, the car in Scott's photo is clearly marked ARAIII, which is what I thought the designation for these war babies was.

Dennis,
The emergency tank cars had a USG-A classification and were 4’-5’ longer than Type 21 tank cars of the same 10K gallon capacity. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

54801 - 54820 of 192670