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Re: unusual Mopac gon

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 20, 2015, at 7:57 PM, blindog@mindspring.com [STMFC] wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Slide-MP-Missouri-Pacific-Scale- Monitor-Car-15504-Butler-WI-2005-/361410852502?hash=item5425c3f696:g: s0sAAOSw~gRV2Ujg

I'm talking about the design of the sides. Can't say I've seen any like it in my travels or on the 'net. Any ideas on the original series? Looks to me to be a late '30s design.
Scott,
The car in question was one of 150 cars built by Missouri Pacific from from 1958-1960 at DeSoto, Mo., three series of 70-ton gondola cars with 3-section removable roofs having 52'-5" inside length, 4'-6" inside height, and 2,242 cu. ft. capacity.

M.P. 7200-7249, built 4-58
M.P. 7250-7299, built 7-59
M.P. 7300-7349, built 6-60

These 150 covered gondola cars followed 3,700 similar 52'-6" IL fixed-end gondola cars without roofs that MoPac built from 1949 through 1958 but with shorter sides & ends (3'-9" IH) and 1,856 cu. ft. capacity. The Improved Dreadnaught Ends of the 1,856 cu. ft. cars had 3 major corrugations vs. 4 major corrugations of the later roofed gondola cars.

Models of the 1,856 cu. ft. cars were offered by Sunshine Models as kit #70.10.

An article about MoPac's gondola cars built from 1912 through 1960 including the 7200-7349 series was published by the MPHS in the Fall 2009 "The Eagle" and is currently available as a back issue (www.mopac.org/eagle-magazine).
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Gene Green Brake Wheel Display

Douglas Harding
 

Mark those brake wheels are in Gene Green’s back yard, leaning against his fence. The location is Belen NM. It is his private collection, part of the reason he is one of our experts on freight car brake wheels. Having seen it in person, it is impressive.

 

 


Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

Tom Madden
 

Mike Bauers wrote:
> I do know that the new Carbon3d 3d print process does NOT
> have the same graininess we see from the incremental steps
> of the current 3d processes. I’ve not yet seen a detail rich print
> like this car made with it to see how good similar details are rendered.
>
> My fingers are lightly crossed that it will do better on small detail surfacing.

The carbon3D process touts build speed and ultra thin layers, the latter pretty much eliminating the stairstepping and layering that  bedevil other 3D printing processes. But smooth sloped surfaces and thin layers have nothing to do with resolution - the level of detail the process can generate on the flat "up" surface, the small detail surfacing Mike refers to.

As far as I know the carbon3D folks haven't released detailed technical specs of their process, but it looks like they are imaging entire layers at once using DLP technology. The thinner the layer, the less UV light energy it takes to cure the resin, so that's a positive for the process. Unless they've also developed a new, very high resolution projector, one assumes they are using one of the standard formats. Their resin tray looks rectangular, so let's say they are using HD projection, 1920 x 1080 pixels. If their imaged area is nominally 7" x 4", that works out to around 270 pixels per inch, or a pixel size of 0.0037". Better than the Formlabs Form 2 laser spot size of 0.0055", but not quite as fine as hi-resolution stereolithography's 0.003" spot size. And not nearly as fine as Shapeways' FUD and FXD 700 x 750 DPI (0.0014" pixels) printing.

I hope I've made some bad assumptions or serious errors in that analysis, or that carbon3D has made additional unannounced breakthroughs with their CLIP fast printer. But as it stands I expect that printer to deliver much smoother parts, faster, but with a lower level of detail than Shapeways' FUD and FXD processes.

Tom Madden




unusual Mopac gon

D. Scott Chatfield
 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Slide-MP-Missouri-Pacific-Scale-Monitor-Car-15504-Butler-WI-2005-/361410852502?hash=item5425c3f696:g:s0sAAOSw~gRV2Ujg

I'm talking about the design of the sides. Can't say I've seen any like it in my travels or on the 'net. Any ideas on the original series? Looks to me to be a late '30s design.

Scott Chatfield


Re: Atlas Release

Benjamin Hom
 

John Barry asked:
"Besides the 5/5/5 ends that should be 2/5/5/5, the photos of the new Atlas release look closer to the Bx-2 rebuilds.  At least they are 10 rather than 8 panel cars with the side sill supports.  What else is wrong with them, I haven't seen one in person, nor have I seen a photo of the underframe.  The ends make them very much a stand - in but it seems more credible than the Tichy or previos 8 panel Atlas.  

But $40 for a stand in is pretty darn steep."


What else is wrong, you ask?
- Roof is incorrect.  The ATSF rebuilds had rectangular panel roofs.
- The car is too low in height for any ATSF rebuilt USRA DS boxcar.  (Atlas model - 9 ft IH; Bx-28/31 - 10 ft IH; Bx-32/33/36 - 10 ft 4 in IH)
- The side sills are poorly rendered; the relief is too shallow and the side sill brackets are incorrect.

You'd actually get a better stand-in by using the old Athearn boxcar, cutting the side sill tabs off, and putting Accurail fishbelly center sills on the underframe, and it sure won't cost you $40.  Heck, the MSRP of the Sunshine kits of these cars was $34 - $36, and they produced a much closer model of these prototypes.

To use the term "lipstick on a pig" to describe the Atlas "Rebuilt" Boxcar is grossly insulting to the pig.




Ben Hom 



Tank Cars - General

Dennis
 

I wanted to publicly thank Tony Thompson for sharing his blogs on tank cars and especially the tip on buying the Tank Car Capacities Tariff book.


What a rich resource for everything tank cars. I bought the September 1955 version (I model September 1956- so close enough) and it provides exactly what commodity was shipped in what number tank car. Amazing information. I was looking for tank cars that would have shipped wine, so I simply looked up the code for wine cars and then checked out the Shippers Line list to find all the three-dome tank car numbers that carried wine. Now I know what numbers to use on a model when I find the right one.


Of course, now I have to check all my tank car numbers to see what they carried - prototype modeling is fun! lol


Thanks again Tony - sharing knowledge is part of what makes this hobby so great!


Dennis Korn


Re: Gene Green Brake Wheel Display

genegreen1942@...
 

Mark,
The display was set up in the Harvey House Museum in Belen, New Mexico, for one month late in 2014.
It has since been disassembled and is under shelter in my back yard.
If you have a specific question perhaps I can answer it.
genegreen1942 at yahoo dot com

Gene Green


Westerfield and F&C kits for sale

teu6500
 

I am thinning my kit inventory, and I would like to find a good home for these items. The lots are 10 each of Westerfield and Funaro & Camerlengo kits, listed below. They include some discontinued items. Most were purchased in the 1990s, so they're the flat-cast resin pieces that require assembly. All kits are complete to the best of my knowledge.

Price: $125 for each lot, plus postage. These will ship in USPS Priority Mail large flat-rate boxes, so postage within the U.S. will be $17.90.

Payment will be through PayPal. Sales are final, no refunds.

If you're interested, please contact me by email: railsunlimited{*AT*}icloud.com. Put KITS in the message line and indicate which (or both) sets you want. I will respond with a PayPal payment request.

Thank you,

Bob Edmonson

WESTERFIELD KITS


1101 UP A-50-4 auto carrier

1304 XL boxcar Undecorated

1309 XL boxcar Vandalia Line

1310 XL boxcar NYP&N ventilated

1317 XL boxcar CA&C / CV/GR&I

2104 USRA 70-ton hopper P&LE/PMcK&Y

3800 USRA DS boxcar

3801 USRA DS boxcar (get dim. data)

3815 USRA DS boxcar Great Northern

7304 UP B-50-6 boxcar


FUNARIO & CAMERLENGO KITS


1006 Northern Pacific 36' boxcar w/radial roof'

1008 Northern Pacific boxcar 40' 1918

1019 Reading channel side hopper 1904

4100 Erie/NYS&W horizontal rib hopper

3 x 6640 Reading Ghc composite gon – double kit

6230 Rutland 36' DS boxcar w/wood ends

6290 NYC/P&LE 36' boxcar w/strap brace ends

6580/5120 NYC/U&D 36' boxcar w/steel underframe





Gene Green Brake Wheel Display

mark_landgraf
 


Hi

In the photos section there are about a dozen photos of brake wheels on display. 

What facility is this part of and where is this display at?

Mark Landgraf


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Subject: [STMFC] WTB: Cloverhouse Dry transfer 9206-08 Pacific Fruit Express Refrigerator Car

 

Hello Group


Does anybody have a complete set of Clover House Dry transfer 9206-08 Pacific Fruit Express Refrigerator Car decals they want to sell?

Pease contact me off list.

Thank you
Scott McDonald




Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

mwbauers
 

as a random close-up, this seems to be the type of close-up you mean.

http://public.fotki.com/sbhunterca/cnr-steel-frame-har/imgp2099.html

It certainly looks good to this layman, a pity about the Shapeways charge for the car in its highest resolution.

I’ll have to add that this is a wood car and the 3d print process works for a slightly aged graininess. While looking closely at the modeled metal parts of the car show a similar graininess that can only be judged as weathered and aged metal.

I do know that the new Carbon3d 3d print process does NOT have the same graininess we see from the incremental steps of the current 3d processes. I’ve not yet seen a detail rich print like this car made with it to see how good similar details are rendered.

My fingers are lightly crossed that it will do better on small detail surfacing.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Oct 20, 2015, at 12:35 PM, destorzek wrote:
………………...
While I don't want to discourage anyone, and I think that this process holds a lot of promise for the future, by my nature I tend to look deeply into the close up photos and wonder if this level of surface finish is really the future of fine modeling.

Dennis Storzek


WTB: Cloverhouse Dry transfer 9206-08 Pacific Fruit Express Refrigerator Car

Scott
 

Hello Group


Does anybody have a complete set of Clover House Dry transfer 9206-08 Pacific Fruit Express Refrigerator Car decals they want to sell?

Pease contact me off list.

Thank you
Scott McDonald



Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

Mike,

You’re not even in the right state!  I have no idea why the CN gon is so so expensive at $154.99.  Other models at Shapeways are significantly less expensive for what appears to be a similar amount of plastic.  It may be that the car is printed in a number of pieces or it may simply be the builder’s attempt to make some money.

Regards

Bruce


==============
Likely resolution, build time, and using a service that expects to make money on their machines. Since Steve has made these available to the public, I don't think he would object to a link to more pix on his fokti site:

Now Available in HO and S! CNR Steel frame Hart Convertible Gondola

 

While I don't want to discourage anyone, and I think that this process holds a lot of promise for the future, by my nature I tend to look deeply into the close up photos and wonder if this level of surface finish is really the future of fine modeling.

Dennis Storzek
 


Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

mwbauers
 

Well, after reading the additional, and later post giving us the price…..

I’m quite received. 

I certainly was shocked to see the Shapeways price on the similar car. Who would expect that sort of higher cost?

I’m very glad to see it’s not a similar price.

After looking at more of the ‘catalog’ of that Shapeways fellow, I’m thinking its less expensive to buy a laser cutter and DIY than to source from the commercial 3d printers…….. at least for the steel snowplows in that Shapeways fellow’s catalog.

I think it’s so very expensive due to the cost of the machine that one is printed on. Frankly, when 3d printing costs several times what another 3d printed car is known to cost…….. Well commercial 3d printing isn’t worthwhile unless it is more reasonably priced.

I’m hoping that the new 6-7 minute 3d print process will dramatically lower the prices of prints that up to now have to take 4-8 hours to print. I know that the commercial machines that are coming out are priced lower than the current 4-8 hour printers, as well.

But to loop back, I’m very glad that the only thing close to this car that I could find is very over-priced by comparison. Like the poster, if I had seen the price on the original page, I wouldn’t have hunted down this similar car I saw mentioned on another list to see what the price might be.

$32 compared to $155 is a lot more reasonable. I’m both embarrassed to see the much higher priced car as well as to have missed the actual much lower price of the thread kit.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Oct 20, 2015, at 11:36 AM, 'Bruce F. Smith'  wrote:

 

Mike,


You’re not even in the right state!  I have no idea why the CN gon is so so expensive at $154.99.  Other models at Shapeways are significantly less expensive for what appears to be a similar amount of plastic.  It may be that the car is printed in a number of pieces or it may simply be the builder’s attempt to make some money.


On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Mike Bauers  wrote:

I don’t know what his price is.

This similar car on Shapeways might give you a ballpark guess….


On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Jon Miller wrote:

    Looked at the site and pictures, nice car.  I gathered from the site that each kit is special order and one needs to email for information, que, etc.   However nowhere on the site did I see a price, which brings in the old adage that if you have to ask you most likely can't afford it (grin)!


Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

Bruce Smith
 

Mike,

You’re not even in the right state!  I have no idea why the CN gon is so so expensive at $154.99.  Other models at Shapeways are significantly less expensive for what appears to be a similar amount of plastic.  It may be that the car is printed in a number of pieces or it may simply be the builder’s attempt to make some money.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I don’t know what his price is.

This similar car on Shapeways might give you a ballpark guess….



Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Jon Miller wrote:

    Looked at the site and pictures, nice car.  I gathered from the site that each kit is special order and one needs to email for information, que, etc.   However nowhere on the site did I see a price, which brings in the old adage that if you have to ask you most likely can't afford it (grin)!





Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/20/2015 9:01 AM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] wrote:

The cost is right there on the product page. I find $32 to be very reasonable for this model. 

    Oops, my bad I totally missed it.  That is a very reasonable price.  Makes having a whole string of them very affordable.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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NMRA Life member #2623
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Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/20/2015 8:52 AM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] wrote:
I don’t know what his price is.

This similar car on Shapeways might give you a ballpark guess….

    WOW and the BlueBox group would really have fun with this.  Good thing there are few if any on this list!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

Eric Hansmann
 

The cost is right there on the product page. I find $32 to be very reasonable for this model. 

I'm looking forward to more models of Pre-Depression Era prototypes, especially the Harriman flat cars that are seen on Robert's site. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Oct 20, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I don’t know what his price is.

This similar car on Shapeways might give you a ballpark guess….



Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Jon Miller wrote:

 

    Looked at the site and pictures, nice car.  I gathered from the site that each kit is special order and one needs to email for information, que, etc.   However nowhere on the site did I see a price, which brings in the old adage that if you have to ask you most likely can't afford it (grin)!


Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

mwbauers
 

I don’t know what his price is.

This similar car on Shapeways might give you a ballpark guess….



Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Oct 20, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Jon Miller wrote:

 

    Looked at the site and pictures, nice car.  I gathered from the site that each kit is special order and one needs to email for information, que, etc.   However nowhere on the site did I see a price, which brings in the old adage that if you have to ask you most likely can't afford it (grin)!


Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

    Looked at the site and pictures, nice car.  I gathered from the site that each kit is special order and one needs to email for information, que, etc.   However nowhere on the site did I see a price, which brings in the old adage that if you have to ask you most likely can't afford it (grin)!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: new car kit from Dry Creek

mwbauers
 

Yes.

I believe he bought the line directly from Walthers, who produced them for some years after Walthers bought the line from Silver Streak. … Back when Walthers was still making product in their Milwaukee location.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Oct 20, 2015, at 7:27 AM, lehighman wrote:

Didn't Silver Streak end up in the hands of Dick Koontz at Ye Olde Huff N Puff at some point?

Ed Robinson

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