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Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

The B-50-13 and 14's are of more interest to me. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. You can contact me offline if you wish.

Thanks,
Dave
 


From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
David Ellzey wrote:

 
Can anyone tell me if the Accurail O.B. boxcar would be a good candidate for a USRA or USRA design single sheathed car? I would like to model some as SP cars in the later 50's.
The ends are inverted dreadnaught on SP cars.

     As Eric Hansmann pointed out, the Accurail model has some differences. But more important for SP modeling, all its original USRA single-sheathed cars in revenue service were rebuilt in 1949-50 into steel-sheathed cars, which bore almost no relation to any Accurail model. I can direct you to published info on those cars if that is really what you are looking for.
     The SP cars were built with entirely conventional corrugated ends, and when rebuilt, had their height extended with parts of other corrugated ends. I don't know what you are referring to by "dreadnaught," unless you are actually talking about the ARA-like cars SP built in the mid-1920s (changed, however, from the ARA design). IF you mean those, I can make suggestions.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

Tony Thompson
 

Some of the USRA-type cars built in the 1920's had 7/8 corrugated ends and Hutchins roofs like the Accurail cars. Would the basic dimensions be correct?

     THe SP cars were exact USRA cars and were built in 1919. Some had Hutchins roofs, some did not; all had 5-5-5 ends. Can't speak for other roads. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

Some of the USRA-type cars built in the 1920's had 7/8 corrugated ends and Hutchins roofs like the Accurail cars. Would the basic dimensions be correct?
Dave
 


From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
There are several differences between the Accurail models and the USRA single-sheathed box cars. The ends, roof, underframe, and the truss components are all different.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 
 



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Can anyone tell me if the Accurail O.B. boxcar would be a good candidate for a USRA or USRA design single sheathed car? I would like to model some as SP cars in the later 50's.
The ends are inverted dreadnaught on SP cars.
Other roads, MKT, CB&Q, and DM&IR have the 7/8 corrugated ends as on some of the Accurail models, so I would consider modeling them.
I have a small fleet of these cars stored up and would like to detail them into accurate models. Any help would be appreciated.
Dave





Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

Tony Thompson
 

David Ellzey wrote:

 
Can anyone tell me if the Accurail O.B. boxcar would be a good candidate for a USRA or USRA design single sheathed car? I would like to model some as SP cars in the later 50's.
The ends are inverted dreadnaught on SP cars.

     As Eric Hansmann pointed out, the Accurail model has some differences. But more important for SP modeling, all its original USRA single-sheathed cars in revenue service were rebuilt in 1949-50 into steel-sheathed cars, which bore almost no relation to any Accurail model. I can direct you to published info on those cars if that is really what you are looking for.
     The SP cars were built with entirely conventional corrugated ends, and when rebuilt, had their height extended with parts of other corrugated ends. I don't know what you are referring to by "dreadnaught," unless you are actually talking about the ARA-like cars SP built in the mid-1920s (changed, however, from the ARA design). IF you mean those, I can make suggestions.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

Eric Hansmann
 

There are several differences between the Accurail models and the USRA single-sheathed box cars. The ends, roof, underframe, and the truss components are all different.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 


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Can anyone tell me if the Accurail O.B. boxcar would be a good candidate for a USRA or USRA design single sheathed car? I would like to model some as SP cars in the later 50's.

The ends are inverted dreadnaught on SP cars.

Other roads, MKT, CB&Q, and DM&IR have the 7/8 corrugated ends as on some of the Accurail models, so I would consider modeling them.

I have a small fleet of these cars stored up and would like to detail them into accurate models. Any help would be appreciated.

Dave




Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

Can anyone tell me if the Accurail O.B. boxcar would be a good candidate for a USRA or USRA design single sheathed car? I would like to model some as SP cars in the later 50's.
The ends are inverted dreadnaught on SP cars.
Other roads, MKT, CB&Q, and DM&IR have the 7/8 corrugated ends as on some of the Accurail models, so I would consider modeling them.
I have a small fleet of these cars stored up and would like to detail them into accurate models. Any help would be appreciated.
Dave


Re: Naperville

Tony Thompson
 

Biggest news is Mike Scribbe taking over.

    That would be "Skibbe" for those taking notes at home.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: "Xxtreme Modeling" presentation link

James E Kubanick
 

Bill,

Thank you for posting. Some really great guidelines for improving the finer details on our models. This should help many of us to become better prototype modelers.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV



On Monday, October 26, 2015 8:35 AM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
For anyone interested here is the link to my "Xxtreme Modeling" presentation done at Cocoa Beach, Collinsville and Lisle in 2015: Xxtreme Modeling FINAL Web Version.pdf

It is copyrighted but it is okay to share with friends.

Bill



Re: USRA steel-side rebuild boxes

Benjamin Scanlon
 











Hello Clark


I assume you mean these : 


http://rr-fallenflags.org/grr/ga29382ajs.jpg


and I believe from past conversations, these also may have been were rebuilt from the 1923 ARA cars. I think the series was 29300-29449.


I am not sure whether all that series had the vertical posts, and they do not seemed to have notched corners on the ends, either.  Possibly Justin or Bob Hanson may now.


Regards


Ben Scanlon

London, England


Re: USRA steel-side rebuild boxes

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Clark,

I assume you are thinking of GA 19500 to 19799. These were 40' 6" IL, 8' 6" IW, and 9' IH with a 100T capacity from 3098 cubic feet. A photo can be found on page 39 of Henderson's CLASSIC FREIGHT CARS, V.1. The example car has 8 vertical posts on its sides, a 6' Youngston door, 7/8 ends and what appears to be a peaked roof. The sides are a dark gray, and the ends, roof and part of the side behind the ladder are black. There is no fishbelly underframe showing. It is quite a striking paint scheme, and a very interesting car.

I have no idea what these cars were built from, though the lack of a fishebelly underframe and 7/8 ends suggests something on the order of a 1920s single-sheathed USRA clone.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 10/26/15 10:16 AM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:
 

The GARR also had some cars with vertical outside posts. I would like to know more about them. Would make an interesting modeling project.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Erie version of a "surrey with the fringe on top"?

thmsdmpsy
 

Purely as a guess I'd say some sort of automobile frame movement.


Erie version of a "surrey with the fringe on top"?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/frt/erie15850lba.jpg

Anybody have any idea what this was used for?

Scott Chatfield


Naperville

Clark Propst
 

 
 
I see that the email traffic on the RPM meet is as dead as the show. I had a super great time as usual. If you haven’t made an effort to attend one of these events here’s a slap to the back of your head.
 
Biggest news is Mike Scribbe taking over.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: "Xxtreme Modeling" presentation link

O Fenton Wells
 

Good stuff Bill.  You are the yardstick that the rest of our modeling efforts will be measured againxt.
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 8:35 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

For anyone interested here is the link to my "Xxtreme Modeling" presentation done at Cocoa Beach, Collinsville and Lisle in 2015: Xxtreme Modeling FINAL Web Version.pdf


It is copyrighted but it is okay to share with friends.


Bill




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Re: early Solvay covered hopper

Eric Hansmann
 

Scott,

I looked up Solvay Process in the 1911 ORER and the covered hoppers are not
listed. Possibly they were used only for inter-plant moves and not
interchanged. I hope this link takes you to the page.
https://play.google.com/books/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&id=fx
g6AQAAMAAJ&pg=GBS.RA1-PA518


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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http://mlkshk.com/p/16AF1

http://mlkshk.com/p/16AF0

Fowarded to me by a non-rail friend. Mlkshk (milkshake) is a fun site with
the occasional railroad picture.

I don't recall any discussion of this car before. With only single grabs on
the sides and the widely spaced end ladder rungs wouldn't this be a pre-1910
design?

Scott Chatfield


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Re: Georgia SS boxcars (was USRA steel-side rebuild boxes)

Louie B. Hydrick
 

Greetings,
 
I have a couple of photos of the 36 foot, Georgia Railroad cars that remained on the revenue roster after 1948.
 
Both cars had stencils denoting the cars were for LCL service to one of the Stations on the line (Camak on the one at hand last night.)

Louie B. Hydrick
Associate Broker
RE/MAX Partners
4316 Washington Rd.
Evans GA 30809-3957

706-922-7355 office
706-922-7368 direct office
706-922-7356 fax
706-832-6263 cell

Or visit me on the web at:www.csrahomesandland.com
or http://www.louiebhydrick.remax-georgia.com/


Re: [resinfreightcars] "Xxtreme Modeling" presentation link

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks for sharing your presentation, Bill!

 

Your ideas are great tools for my toolbox that will push my skill sets a little further along on the next build.

 


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


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For anyone interested here is the link to my "Xxtreme Modeling" presentation done at Cocoa Beach, Collinsville and Lisle in 2015: Xxtreme Modeling FINAL Web Version.pdf

 

 

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It is copyrighted but it is okay to share it with friends.

 

Bill Welch



Re: USRA steel-side rebuild boxes

Clark Propst
 

The GARR also had some cars with vertical outside posts. I would like to know more about them. Would make an interesting modeling project.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: "Xxtreme Modeling" presentation link

gtws00
 

Bill,
Thanks for posting this presentation link. You have a lot of good modeling tips in it.

George Toman


Correctly identified car?

Marty McGuirk
 

I've managed to identify most of the cars in the set of photos of a Central Vermont Ry. freight train that I picked up from Bob's Photos a few years ago. (Long time members here may remember this exercise.)

In my first pass at this a few years ago I ID'd one of the cars as an "L&N" car - but I think that was incorrect.

See the latest blog post for my current assessment.

I might attempt to use the modeling of each car in these photos as inspiration for my next Cocoa Beach clinic.


Modeling Steam Era Freight Cars: The cars of Central Vermont XTRA 471

Marty McGuirk

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