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Re: Naperville

Tim O'Connor
 

I had an excellent time at Naperville, although there were far fewer
models than in years past. And frankly, the display room sucks because
the lighting is so poor in there! I hope next year's RPM meet moves to
a better location. And I hope more people (especially post-1960 modelers)
show up with models. (No, I didn't bring any this year.)

The clinics where I learned the most were by Jack Burgess and Tom Madden.
Jack gave an excellent talk on using free CAD software to create designs
for 3-D parts. This is something any of us can do! And Tom Madden offered
his expert advice on using 3-D design to create MASTERS for resin parts,
which holds great promise for creation of more excellent resin freight car
models. Finally Aaron Gjermundson gave a demonstration of actual casting
using both a vacuum chamber and a pressure pot -- very interesting!

The last piece of the puzzle for me would be a clinic on how to create a
3-D rubber mold. :-)

Tim O'Connor


Re: USRA

Armand Premo
 


Which begs the question;How many double sheathed cars were still around in the 50s? Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
To: stmfc
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] USRA

 

David,

There are a couple things to understand about the Accurail or even the Tichy
USRA box car models.

First, I thought you mentioned a late 1950s era for your focus. A ruling set for
January 1, 1953 banned freight cars with the older K brake systems from
interchange. This affected lots of freight cars built before 1930 that had not
been upgraded with the AB brake system. Many railroads scrapped the older
equipment or moved it to maintenance service.

Second, in terms of sheer numbers, the prototypes of the USRA single sheathed
cars and those that followed a similar design (whether the Canadian cars the
Accurail model reflects or other 1920s cars) were a small percentage of the
North American box car fleet, even when new. There were 25,000 USRA single
sheathed box cars built and assigned by the USRA. Even if that figure is doubled
with all the similar cars that came afterwards, I estimate the overall quantity
is not even 10% of the 1920s North American box car fleet. If we look at your
later era and take equipment retirement and rebuilding into different looking
cars as factors, then that percentage is probably less that 3%.

Third, railroads had been updating their freight car fleet with steel sheathed
box cars since the late 1930s. Marty mentioned the CN numbers in another post.
After WW2, the single and double-sheathed box car fleets began dwindling as
newer steel sheathed cars came into service. The newer cars had greater cubic
capacity and required less maintenance. If you review yard images from the
mid-1950s, wood sheathed box cars are less numerous than in a similar image
taken a decade previous.

I like the Accurail models. I model 1926 and have a few prototypes that can be
done with some work on the Accurail shell. I don't plan to use more than five
but these will not look alike as one will have a different roof and underframe,
and at least one will have an extra half door added for automobile hauling
service. Currently here are several in use on my Wheeling Freight Terminal as
they are great for the monthly op sessions and to hold a spot for era-specific
freight cars that come off the bench and through the paint shop.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

> On October 27, 2015 at 7:13 AM "david ellzey davidellzey1@... [STMFC]"
> >
>
> Yes I got some good suggestions from both of them. Tony T. said the SP didn't
> have anything similar to the accurail car. Eric H. said the accurail car is
> based on a Canadian car mostly. He sent some very handy information a site
> called trainlife.com. There is an article on the accurail boxcar. No one
> contacted me offline. I get the impression that the accurail car is not highly
> regarded among prototype modelers:-)Dave
>   From: "'paul.doggett2472' paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]"
>
> To: STMFC@...
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:13 AM
> Subject: [STMFC] USRA
>
>   I see you got some suggestions from Tony Thompson and Eric Hannsman they
> are both very knowledgeable did anyone contact you off line?.Paul 
>

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Re: USRA & Accurail 8-panel car

david ellzey
 

That's just the response that I was trying to elicit from my statement. The Accurail single sheathed boxcar is a beautiful model. I was hoping that it was closely based on several prototypes that could be kitbashed into excellent models.
Dave
 


From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] USRA & Accurail 8-panel car

 
Regarding your statement "I get the impression that the accurail car is not highly regarded among prototype modelers:-)"  I think that is an overly brood statement. I have used it to build four different models that I consider good models. To me the issue it is that not good for every 8-panel SS car with Z-bar bracing as some would seem to like it to be. I have also ripped its excellent Hutchins roof off the body and used it on several resin kits as it is the best around in any media.

I do wish the sheathing was not so distressed but that has not kept me from using it however.

Bill Welch



Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

That's the answer I am looking for. The Accurail car is mostly based on the USRA clones. CB&Q/FW&D would be a good railroad to mode. Thanks for sharing that info Dennis.
Dave
 


From: "destorzek@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 



---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Let me clarify that last email, I meant slim chance of Canadian cars down here on the T&NO.
Dave
===============

I think the point you are missing is that while USRA cars had custom designed pressed "hat section" side posts, the Accurail kit models the similar cars that used structural Z section posts. The argument of the designers of the USRA car was that the pressed posts were a more efficient use of steel. The objection of many railroads was that they wanted cars that could be repaired with commonly available material. Both are valid arguments, and different railroads bought different cars because of it.

While the Accurail model was developed from drawings of a Canadian car, it is similar in dimensions and details to a lot of cars owned by the Burlington; also their C&S and FW&D subsidiaries. I suspect FW&D cars were pretty common in T&NO territory.

Dennis Storzek







Re: Naperville

Clark Propst
 

> Biggest news is Mike Scribbe taking over.

That would be "Skibbe" for those taking notes at home.

Tony Thompson
 
Oops! Don’t think Mike’s on this list.
 
Had an extra great time myself.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

That is a VERY comprehensive list of CN boxcar info. Your insight on Canadian cars in the deep south is very interesting. Thanks for all the information.
Dave
 


From: "mjmcguirk@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
For anything you've ever wanted to know about CN steam-era boxcars see -


Dave,

While I acknowledge CN cars would have likely to be seen less frequently on the T&NO than, say, the GN or Maine Central, the fact is the CN (and CP) represented a very large percentage of the North American boxcar fleet - so many that it's hard to imagine not having one or two show up on a railroad, even in the deep south.

Search the list archives for never-ending discussions of "boxcar percentages" and "freight car fleet percentages" and similar terms and you'll see how much time and effort has been expended on statistical research and sheer speculation on this topic.

So if you include one or two CN cars in your car fleet no one vaguely familiar with steam era freight car distribution would bat an eye. But the cars represented by the Accurail cars are not a terribly large percentage of the CN car fleet, meaning that if you want to have one or two Canadian National cars I don't think either of them should be the Accurail car, especially if you're modeling any time after 1940 or so.
CN had the single largest fleet of 40'-6" 10-panel steel cars built to the "1937 AAR" design (with some of them having unique variations of ends and roofs.)
If you wanted to have one or two representative CN cars for a late steam era/transition era road those would be the ones I'd suggest.

Marty




Re: USRA

Eric Hansmann
 

David,

There are a couple things to understand about the Accurail or even the Tichy
USRA box car models.

First, I thought you mentioned a late 1950s era for your focus. A ruling set for
January 1, 1953 banned freight cars with the older K brake systems from
interchange. This affected lots of freight cars built before 1930 that had not
been upgraded with the AB brake system. Many railroads scrapped the older
equipment or moved it to maintenance service.

Second, in terms of sheer numbers, the prototypes of the USRA single sheathed
cars and those that followed a similar design (whether the Canadian cars the
Accurail model reflects or other 1920s cars) were a small percentage of the
North American box car fleet, even when new. There were 25,000 USRA single
sheathed box cars built and assigned by the USRA. Even if that figure is doubled
with all the similar cars that came afterwards, I estimate the overall quantity
is not even 10% of the 1920s North American box car fleet. If we look at your
later era and take equipment retirement and rebuilding into different looking
cars as factors, then that percentage is probably less that 3%.

Third, railroads had been updating their freight car fleet with steel sheathed
box cars since the late 1930s. Marty mentioned the CN numbers in another post.
After WW2, the single and double-sheathed box car fleets began dwindling as
newer steel sheathed cars came into service. The newer cars had greater cubic
capacity and required less maintenance. If you review yard images from the
mid-1950s, wood sheathed box cars are less numerous than in a similar image
taken a decade previous.

I like the Accurail models. I model 1926 and have a few prototypes that can be
done with some work on the Accurail shell. I don't plan to use more than five
but these will not look alike as one will have a different roof and underframe,
and at least one will have an extra half door added for automobile hauling
service. Currently here are several in use on my Wheeling Freight Terminal as
they are great for the monthly op sessions and to hold a spot for era-specific
freight cars that come off the bench and through the paint shop.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/

On October 27, 2015 at 7:13 AM "david ellzey davidellzey1@... [STMFC]"
<STMFC@...> wrote:


Yes I got some good suggestions from both of them. Tony T. said the SP didn't
have anything similar to the accurail car. Eric H. said the accurail car is
based on a Canadian car mostly. He sent some very handy information a site
called trainlife.com. There is an article on the accurail boxcar. No one
contacted me offline. I get the impression that the accurail car is not highly
regarded among prototype modelers:-)Dave
  From: "'paul.doggett2472' paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]"
<STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:13 AM
Subject: [STMFC] USRA

  I see you got some suggestions from Tony Thompson and Eric Hannsman they
are both very knowledgeable did anyone contact you off line?.Paul 


Re: USRA & Accurail 8-panel car

Bill Welch
 

Regarding your statement "I get the impression that the accurail car is not highly regarded among prototype modelers:-)"  I think that is an overly brood statement. I have used it to build four different models that I consider good models. To me the issue it is that not good for every 8-panel SS car with Z-bar bracing as some would seem to like it to be. I have also ripped its excellent Hutchins roof off the body and used it on several resin kits as it is the best around in any media.

I do wish the sheathing was not so distressed but that has not kept me from using it however.

Bill Welch


Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <davidellzey1@...> wrote :

Let me clarify that last email, I meant slim chance of Canadian cars down here on the T&NO.
Dave
===============

I think the point you are missing is that while USRA cars had custom designed pressed "hat section" side posts, the Accurail kit models the similar cars that used structural Z section posts. The argument of the designers of the USRA car was that the pressed posts were a more efficient use of steel. The objection of many railroads was that they wanted cars that could be repaired with commonly available material. Both are valid arguments, and different railroads bought different cars because of it.

While the Accurail model was developed from drawings of a Canadian car, it is similar in dimensions and details to a lot of cars owned by the Burlington; also their C&S and FW&D subsidiaries. I suspect FW&D cars were pretty common in T&NO territory.

Dennis Storzek





Re: USRA

david ellzey
 

Yes I got some good suggestions from both of them. Tony T. said the SP didn't have anything similar to the accurail car. Eric H. said the accurail car is based on a Canadian car mostly. He sent some very handy information a site called trainlife.com. There is an article on the accurail boxcar. No one contacted me offline. I get the impression that the accurail car is not highly regarded among prototype modelers:-)
Dave
 


From: "'paul.doggett2472' paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:13 AM
Subject: [STMFC] USRA

 
I see you got some suggestions from Tony Thompson and Eric Hannsman they are both very knowledgeable did anyone contact you off line?.
Paul 




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Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

Marty McGuirk
 

For anything you've ever wanted to know about CN steam-era boxcars see -


Canadian National Railways


Dave,


While I acknowledge CN cars would have likely to be seen less frequently on the T&NO than, say, the GN or Maine Central, the fact is the CN (and CP) represented a very large percentage of the North American boxcar fleet - so many that it's hard to imagine not having one or two show up on a railroad, even in the deep south.


Search the list archives for never-ending discussions of "boxcar percentages" and "freight car fleet percentages" and similar terms and you'll see how much time and effort has been expended on statistical research and sheer speculation on this topic.


So if you include one or two CN cars in your car fleet no one vaguely familiar with steam era freight car distribution would bat an eye. But the cars represented by the Accurail cars are not a terribly large percentage of the CN car fleet, meaning that if you want to have one or two Canadian National cars I don't think either of them should be the Accurail car, especially if you're modeling any time after 1940 or so.

CN had the single largest fleet of 40'-6" 10-panel steel cars built to the "1937 AAR" design (with some of them having unique variations of ends and roofs.)

If you wanted to have one or two representative CN cars for a late steam era/transition era road those would be the ones I'd suggest.


Marty



USRA

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

I see you got some suggestions from Tony Thompson and Eric Hannsman they are both very knowledgeable did anyone contact you off line?.
Paul 




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Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

That's just from my vague recollections of the 1950's, not seeing any Canadian rail cars here in Louisiana.
Dave
 


From: "Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
I recommend you get a copy of the ORER for the year of your focus or the year before. Compile some fleet numbers and check what older cars are still running. The 1953 K brake ban sent lots of freight cars to scrap. 

And I would not ignore the Canadian box car fleet. Newsprint from Canada was used all over. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX



On Oct 26, 2015, at 8:15 PM, david ellzey davidellzey1@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Let me clarify that last email, I meant slim chance of Canadian cars down here on the T&NO.
Dave
 

From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
Modeling the T&NO, I would have to shy away from Canadian prototypes, which  be the closest match.

 T&NO had nothing like this.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

Eric Hansmann
 

I recommend you get a copy of the ORER for the year of your focus or the year before. Compile some fleet numbers and check what older cars are still running. The 1953 K brake ban sent lots of freight cars to scrap. 

And I would not ignore the Canadian box car fleet. Newsprint from Canada was used all over. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Oct 26, 2015, at 8:15 PM, david ellzey davidellzey1@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Let me clarify that last email, I meant slim chance of Canadian cars down here on the T&NO.
Dave
 

From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
Modeling the T&NO, I would have to shy away from Canadian prototypes, which  be the closest match.

 T&NO had nothing like this.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

Let me clarify that last email, I meant slim chance of Canadian cars down here on the T&NO.
Dave
 


From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
Modeling the T&NO, I would have to shy away from Canadian prototypes, which  be the closest match.

 T&NO had nothing like this.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

Tony Thompson
 

Modeling the T&NO, I would have to shy away from Canadian prototypes, which  be the closest match.

 T&NO had nothing like this.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

The USRA clones seem close to the Accurail cars without doing precise measuring. With revised underframe, separate grabs and ladders they would look quite decent.
Modeling the T&NO, I would have to shy away from Canadian prototypes, which  be the closest match.
Thanks for all the info, it will be a big help.
Dave
 


From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 8:12 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
Technically, those were not USRA cars as the USRA stopped functioning on March 1, 1920. Cars built during the 1920s that mostly followed a USRA design have commonly been called clones in the model press. True USRA box cars did not have 7/8 corrugated steel ends or Hutchins roof hardware.
 
For a pocket summary of the USRA and a list of the car assignments they made, check out this page on my blog.
 
Here’s a magazine to unearth. The February 1993 RMJ article is a good reference for the Accurail 4100 and 4300 series kits. Here's a link to review Richard Hendrickson's original article. Most of this article remains available on the Trainlife site. Page 20 and additional pages go dead, but clicking on the Show Page Text link offers a hint of the content without images. It seems there was no data table provided for the article.
 
From Richard's article, I gather the following prototypes are best reflected by the Accurail 4100 series model.
 
CN 500500-503499 - 1000 cars built in 1923, 1924, and 1927, for 3000 total cars.
 
Additionally, automobile box cars (XA) built to the same design, but with an added half door for the 10-foot door opening.
 
CN 580000-580999 - 1000 cars built in 1923
GTW 581000-581999 - 1000 cars built in 1923
GT 33000-35999 - 200 cars built in 1923 but with corrugated steel ends (4300 series kits)
 
Many of these XA class cars were rebuilt in the 1930s with a narrower door opening and only a single door per side, becoming XM class cars.
 
Additionally, there were similar prototypes on the CB&Q, CNJ, and SP Lines (to name a few) that differed in overall height and hardware appliances.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 5:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars
 



Some of the USRA-type cars built in the 1920's had 7/8 corrugated ends and Hutchins roofs like the Accurail cars. Would the basic dimensions be correct?
Dave
 

From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars
 
 
There are several differences between the Accurail models and the USRA single-sheathed box cars. The ends, roof, underframe, and the truss components are all different.
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 
 

 
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 4:56 PM
To: yahoogroups
Subject: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars
 


Can anyone tell me if the Accurail O.B. boxcar would be a good candidate for a USRA or USRA design single sheathed car? I would like to model some as SP cars in the later 50's.
The ends are inverted dreadnaught on SP cars.
Other roads, MKT, CB&Q, and DM&IR have the 7/8 corrugated ends as on some of the Accurail models, so I would consider modeling them.
I have a small fleet of these cars stored up and would like to detail them into accurate models. Any help would be appreciated.
Dave
 
 




Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Technically, those were not USRA cars as the USRA stopped functioning on March 1, 1920. Cars built during the 1920s that mostly followed a USRA design have commonly been called clones in the model press. True USRA box cars did not have 7/8 corrugated steel ends or Hutchins roof hardware.

 

For a pocket summary of the USRA and a list of the car assignments they made, check out this page on my blog.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/usra-freight-car-assignments/

 

Here’s a magazine to unearth. The February 1993 RMJ article is a good reference for the Accurail 4100 and 4300 series kits. Here's a link to review Richard Hendrickson's original article. Most of this article remains available on the Trainlife site. Page 20 and additional pages go dead, but clicking on the Show Page Text link offers a hint of the content without images. It seems there was no data table provided for the article.

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10388/february-1993-page-14

 

From Richard's article, I gather the following prototypes are best reflected by the Accurail 4100 series model.

 

CN 500500-503499 - 1000 cars built in 1923, 1924, and 1927, for 3000 total cars.

 

Additionally, automobile box cars (XA) built to the same design, but with an added half door for the 10-foot door opening.

 

CN 580000-580999 - 1000 cars built in 1923

GTW 581000-581999 - 1000 cars built in 1923

GT 33000-35999 - 200 cars built in 1923 but with corrugated steel ends (4300 series kits)

 

Many of these XA class cars were rebuilt in the 1930s with a narrower door opening and only a single door per side, becoming XM class cars.

 

Additionally, there were similar prototypes on the CB&Q, CNJ, and SP Lines (to name a few) that differed in overall height and hardware appliances.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 5:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 




Some of the USRA-type cars built in the 1920's had 7/8 corrugated ends and Hutchins roofs like the Accurail cars. Would the basic dimensions be correct?

Dave
 


From: "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 6:03 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 

 

There are several differences between the Accurail models and the USRA single-sheathed box cars. The ends, roof, underframe, and the truss components are all different.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 


 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 4:56 PM
To: yahoogroups
Subject: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 



Can anyone tell me if the Accurail O.B. boxcar would be a good candidate for a USRA or USRA design single sheathed car? I would like to model some as SP cars in the later 50's.

The ends are inverted dreadnaught on SP cars.

Other roads, MKT, CB&Q, and DM&IR have the 7/8 corrugated ends as on some of the Accurail models, so I would consider modeling them.

I have a small fleet of these cars stored up and would like to detail them into accurate models. Any help would be appreciated.

Dave

 

 



Re: Naperville

frograbbit602
 

Guessing most are still recovering from travel time home or still processing and digesting all the information gathered from seminars or exchange with others or being fired up from the event have headed for the railroad modeling bench to finish or start a new project preventing them from posting regarding the event.
I as other attendees I have talked to had a great time.
Lester Breuer


Re: Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

david ellzey
 

The B-50-13 and 14's are of more interest to me. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. You can contact me offline if you wish.

Thanks,
Dave
 


From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail O.B. boxcars as USRA design cars

 
David Ellzey wrote:

 
Can anyone tell me if the Accurail O.B. boxcar would be a good candidate for a USRA or USRA design single sheathed car? I would like to model some as SP cars in the later 50's.
The ends are inverted dreadnaught on SP cars.

     As Eric Hansmann pointed out, the Accurail model has some differences. But more important for SP modeling, all its original USRA single-sheathed cars in revenue service were rebuilt in 1949-50 into steel-sheathed cars, which bore almost no relation to any Accurail model. I can direct you to published info on those cars if that is really what you are looking for.
     The SP cars were built with entirely conventional corrugated ends, and when rebuilt, had their height extended with parts of other corrugated ends. I don't know what you are referring to by "dreadnaught," unless you are actually talking about the ARA-like cars SP built in the mid-1920s (changed, however, from the ARA design). IF you mean those, I can make suggestions.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






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