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Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Mike Fortney
 

Illinois Terminal's 8100-8199 boxcars were SS, blt 12/28 - nicely rendered by Sunshine Kit 78.4

IT's 8000-8099 were DS, SUF, blt 5/24 as Illinois Traction System boxcars.

Ten (8000-8009) were modified with special bearings and extendable couplers for use on tight-radius curves in street trackage in Bloomington, IL.

Much appreciated Accurail!

Mike Fortney


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Dave Parker
 

Garth:

I am not sure I understand the point of (or perhaps the need for) your post.  You model two years before the cutoff date for this group, so that fact that these 36 foot cars are not relevant to you is entirely predictable.

But the group is supposed to embrace the period 1900 to 1960.  I model 1934 -- right in the middle.  There are others (perhaps just a few) that model earlier.  So, for some of us, these kits might be highly relevant (they are all, after all, SUF cars; many ran through the 1930s and beyond).

I would guess that 85% of the chatter on this site is of no use or interest to me because it deals with things that post-date my layout.  I know how to deal with that fact:  I make liberal use of the delete button.   Everyone has the same "filtering" option.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Dennis' new cars look neat, and though they are to be mass-produced and likely to have cast-on grabs, they look like they could easily be upgraded. But does someone who models 1958 need some of these?

I decided to find out how many nominal 36' IL cars were still in service by checking my 1958 ORER. I chose to ignore Canadian and Mexican roads, and while I noted that some shortlines had a few of these, their chances of turning up on my railroad would be pretty much nil. I suspect that many of these shortline cars were on the dead line or were in use for LCL service and wouldn't have gone far (the Morehead & North Fork had at least one, #500, but it is not listed in the ORER and their cars didn't go off line anyway). Some were actually still on archbar trucks like the Nevada Northern's handful (they still are!). I concentrated my research on moderate to large roads for this list.

Charleston & Western Carolina 1800-1944, 30 cars
Louisville & Nashville 20000-21299, 642 cars!
Reading 11550-12999, 7 cars
Delaware, Lackawanna & Western 43500-43999, 18 cars
New York, Susquehanna & Western 1501-1554, 11 cars
Delaware & Hudson 22501-23201, 19 cars; 23202-24099, 26 cars
Central Vermont 83700-83797, 3 cars
Soo Line 12840-14128, 18 cars
Detroit, Toledo & Shore Line 3000-3049, 3 cars
Illinois Terminal 8100-8199, 86 cars!
Duluth, Missabe & Iron Range various numbers, 34 cars
Butte, Anaconda & Pacific 20-104, 25 cars
Southern 153500-262036, 16 cars; 162000-169769, 6 cars--these had truss rods, and many had Hutchins ends

That's a total of 919 cars, not very many in the great scheme of things. It looks like the big winner is the L&N, followed by the IT and the C&WC. It would be interesting to find photos of these cars to see how close they are to Dennis' offerings. If they were close enough for some easy kitbashing, I might choose an L&N. I have some C&WC decals in my stash, so that road is a possibility. I don't have any IT heralds left, and have an IT steel car anyway.

My fictional Virginia Midland is controlled by the Southern, but I already decided against one of their shorty cars. It would have been a once-in-a-lifetime event for one to show up there.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


WAG 6000 series boxcar

csxt5555
 

Can somebody on the list share some info on theses cars? I got a pic of the 6050. It looks like maybe a Howe OB boxcar. Car has a steel door and looks like a steel roof. I can't see the ends in the pic. I believe these cars were used to haul furs. Any ideas

Kevin Spraybery


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Charles Peck
 

Thank you in advance for this needed car, Dennis.  I am looking forward to it
and hope you sell a bunch of them.
Chuck Peck in FL

2015-11-17 16:40 GMT-05:00 destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>:

 

IL    36'-0"
IW    8'-6"
IH     8'-4"

Dennis



Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

destorzek@...
 

IL    36'-0"
IW    8'-6"
IH     8'-4"

Dennis


Re: B&O C17 express car

Jim Mischke
 





Both the B&O prototype and Walthers HO models are susceptible to C&O encroachment.   The Walthers B&O HO model is C&O configuration tooling for door size, location and vents.   Also, several C&O tropp sleeper express cars made it to B&O MofW service. 


B&O prototype photos:


link:  http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo910563ags.jpg


link:  http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo910565ags.jpg


link:  http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-x4449alb.jpg



No good roof shots.





Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Would it be possible to supply the inside dimensions of these cars?

Cyril Durrenberger
--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 11/17/15, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2015, 12:08 PM


 












---In STMFC@...,
<Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote :

Dennis,                
Would you like to share the prototypes (or “close
prototypes”) for these new cars?  How common were these
in, say, 1951?                
Can one logically infer future meat reefers as a result of
this tooling?  Thanks,  -Jeff=========

The car with steel ends and a
fishbelly UF is specifically an NYC car, although NKP had a
group of identical cars. The car with wood ends and
fishbelly UF is also an NYC car, just a slightly earlier
version of those above. The NYC bought thousands of these
for itself and its subsidiaries in the decade before WWI,
from several builders, and I have a profusion of drawings
from both Haskell & Barker and Pullman to work from.

The Master Car Builder's
Association had recommended standard interior dimensions for
boxcars as early as 1902, which these cars follow. That
means that a LOT of cars built at this time share these
common dimensions, including some of the last truss rod cars
built.

Not all the
railroads agreed with the heavy underframe design, and a
goodly number of cars were built to the same dimensions but
with straight steel center sills. I'm still researching
drawings for this UF. There is also a variant that had very
prominent channel side sills visible below the car sides,
which could be a good kitbash.

One of the things that is distinctive with the
NYC fishbelly UF is the use of FIVE crossbearers... that
puts one right on the centerline of the car. I have yet to
find a straight sill version with this crossbearer/crosstie
arrangement, so I'll have to do more to supply the
straight centersill version than we've done with the
40' car floor, where you are basically on your own to
scratchbuild straight sills.

I'll leave the nitty-gritty of how long
they lasted to others, but suffice to say, any of the cars
that were still in service during the late thirties stayed
in service all through WWII, but were then on the short list
for replacement as the car builders ramped up production
after the war.

Dennis
Storzek


Re: IRC 1958 cuft LO undecs

Ed Hawkins
 


On Nov 17, 2015, at 2:04 PM, eric.mumper@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

shows they are going to do 1958 cuft open side covered hopper undecorated cars again.  Those of use needing these to complete the Type 3 roof car kit from Yarmouth need to get their orders in.


Eric,
Several years ago I obtained several undec kits and while IM produced two “B” end versions, the kits came with just one “B” end version that happened to be the wrong one for the cars I want to model. 

Some modelers would want a “B” end having hand brake end posts that angle to become wider at the brake step and end sill than at the top (Burlington, MoPac, Northern Pacific, Frisco), whereas the kits I received came with a different type having the hand brake end posts that angle below the brake step becoming more narrow at the bottom. 

Several months ago I called IM to see about obtaining the other end variant, which I know they tooled. I requested that both types of “B” ends be included in future undec kits to give the modeler an option. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


IRC 1958 cuft LO undecs

Eric Mumper
 

Group,


The latest Intermountain Product Release page at:


InterMountain HO Scale Upcoming Releases


shows they are going to do 1958 cuft open side covered hopper undecorated cars again.  Those of use needing these to complete the Type 3 roof car kit from Yarmouth need to get their orders in.


Eric Mumper



Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote :

Dennis,

 

               Would you like to share the prototypes (or “close prototypes”) for these new cars?  How common were these in, say, 1951?

 

               Can one logically infer future meat reefers as a result of this tooling?

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff

=========

The car with steel ends and a fishbelly UF is specifically an NYC car, although NKP had a group of identical cars. The car with wood ends and fishbelly UF is also an NYC car, just a slightly earlier version of those above. The NYC bought thousands of these for itself and its subsidiaries in the decade before WWI, from several builders, and I have a profusion of drawings from both Haskell & Barker and Pullman to work from.

The Master Car Builder's Association had recommended standard interior dimensions for boxcars as early as 1902, which these cars follow. That means that a LOT of cars built at this time share these common dimensions, including some of the last truss rod cars built.

Not all the railroads agreed with the heavy underframe design, and a goodly number of cars were built to the same dimensions but with straight steel center sills. I'm still researching drawings for this UF. There is also a variant that had very prominent channel side sills visible below the car sides, which could be a good kitbash.

One of the things that is distinctive with the NYC fishbelly UF is the use of FIVE crossbearers... that puts one right on the centerline of the car. I have yet to find a straight sill version with this crossbearer/crosstie arrangement, so I'll have to do more to supply the straight centersill version than we've done with the 40' car floor, where you are basically on your own to scratchbuild straight sills.

I'll leave the nitty-gritty of how long they lasted to others, but suffice to say, any of the cars that were still in service during the late thirties stayed in service all through WWII, but were then on the short list for replacement as the car builders ramped up production after the war.

Dennis Storzek


LA&SL Boxcar

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This is a link from the Salt Lake County Archives to a 1937 photo of Los Angeles & Salt Lake boxcar 13?218. Only the car end is visible.

 

https://slcoarchives.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1-1660-1-429-s-1st-west-1937-built-1935-cropped.jpg

 

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

 

My question: Is there anything remarkable about this car or is it just another photo of a common prototype?

 

Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Aley, Jeff A
 

Dennis,

 

               Would you like to share the prototypes (or “close prototypes”) for these new cars?  How common were these in, say, 1951?

 

               Can one logically infer future meat reefers as a result of this tooling?

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

 

 

Did I miss the discussion of this announcement?

 

With steel roof and ends and fish-belly underframe: Boston & Albany (BA); Canadian Pacific; Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis (CCC&StL); Louisville & Nashville; Michigan Central; Missouri-Kansas-Texas (MKT); New York Central; Nickel Plate Road; Missouri Pacific; and Savannah & Atlanta. 

 

With steel roof and ends and straight underframe: Boston & Maine; Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O); Delaware, Lackawanna & Western (DL&W); Denver & Rio Grande Western; Denver & Salt Lake; Lehigh & Hudson River; Morehead & North Fork; New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H); and Norfolk & Western (N&W). 

 

Steel roof, wood ends, and fish-belly underframe: Akron, Canton & Youngstown; Ann Arbor; Baltimore & Ohio; BA; Bangor & Aroostook; CCC&StL; Chicago Great Western; Clinchfield; Lake Shore & Michigan Southern; Lehigh Valley; Lehigh & New England; Missouri Pacific; MKT; New York Central & Hudson River; and NYNH&H. 

 

Steel roof, wood ends, and straight underframe: Boston & Maine; Central RR of New Jersey; C&O; Delaware & Hudson; Denver & Rio Grande; DL&W; Erie; Illinois Terminal System; N&W; Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis; Reading Co. and Toledo & Ohio Central. 

 

All body styles also available undecorated and data only (Mineral Red and Oxide). 

 

http://mrr.trains.com/-/media/Images/News%20and%20Reviews/New%20Products/2015/11/Week%202%20%20Trainfest/MRRNP0216_202.jpg?mw=600

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA

 


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Lee Singletary
 

Thanks Dennis!
I won't have to dice and splice the Westerfield ends.

Lee

Lee Singletary
L&NHS
Alabaster, Alabama


-----Original Message-----
From: destorzek@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2015 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars




7/7 inverse (indented, whatever) corrugated. Just working on them now. Maybe more different varieties later.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

destorzek@...
 




---In STMFC@..., <toddchorton@...> wrote :

Dennis, Are these cars going to have molded on grabs and ladders?  If someone asked this already I apologize.
 
Todd Horton
==========

Yup. These are intended to be moderately priced, easy assembly kits, as are all the Accurail kits.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Todd Horton
 

Dennis, Are these cars going to have molded on grabs and ladders?  If someone asked this already I apologize.
 
Todd Horton


From: "destorzek@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

 
7/7 inverse (indented, whatever) corrugated. Just working on them now. Maybe more different varieties later.

Dennis Storzek



Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

destorzek@...
 

7/7 inverse (indented, whatever) corrugated. Just working on them now. Maybe more different varieties later.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Lee Singletary
 

Anybody know what the steel ends will be?
 
Lee
 
Lee Singletary
L&NHS
Alabaster, Alabama
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Peck lnnrr152@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2015 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars



Paul, according to the Accurail website, it is a new listing as of 11/16/15 (today).
Available fall of 2016.  Drooling today but my tongue will be dried out by then.
Chuck Peck in FL

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, kruegerp12@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 
Did I miss the discussion of this announcement?

With steel roof and ends and fish-belly underframe: Boston & Albany (BA); Canadian Pacific; Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis (CCC&StL); Louisville & Nashville; Michigan Central; Missouri-Kansas-Texas (MKT); New York Central; Nickel Plate Road; Missouri Pacific; and Savannah & Atlanta. 

With steel roof and ends and straight underframe: Boston & Maine; Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O); Delaware, Lackawanna & Western (DL&W); Denver & Rio Grande Western; Denver & Salt Lake; Lehigh & Hudson River; Morehead & North Fork; New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H); and Norfolk & Western (N&W). 

Steel roof, wood ends, and fish-belly underframe: Akron, Canton & Youngstown; Ann Arbor; Baltimore & Ohio; BA; Bangor & Aroostook; CCC&StL; Chicago Great Western; Clinchfield; Lake Shore & Michigan Southern; Lehigh Valley; Lehigh & New England; Missouri Pacific; MKT; New York Central & Hudson River; and NYNH&H. 

Steel roof, wood ends, and straight underframe: Boston & Maine; Central RR of New Jersey; C&O; Delaware & Hudson; Denver & Rio Grande; DL&W; Erie; Illinois Terminal System; N&W; Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis; Reading Co. and Toledo & Ohio Central. 

All body styles also available undecorated and data only (Mineral Red and Oxide). 


Thanks,
Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA





Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Charles Peck
 

Paul, according to the Accurail website, it is a new listing as of 11/16/15 (today).
Available fall of 2016.  Drooling today but my tongue will be dried out by then.
Chuck Peck in FL

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, kruegerp12@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Did I miss the discussion of this announcement?


With steel roof and ends and fish-belly underframe: Boston & Albany (BA); Canadian Pacific; Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis (CCC&StL); Louisville & Nashville; Michigan Central; Missouri-Kansas-Texas (MKT); New York Central; Nickel Plate Road; Missouri Pacific; and Savannah & Atlanta. 


With steel roof and ends and straight underframe: Boston & Maine; Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O); Delaware, Lackawanna & Western (DL&W); Denver & Rio Grande Western; Denver & Salt Lake; Lehigh & Hudson River; Morehead & North Fork; New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H); and Norfolk & Western (N&W). 


Steel roof, wood ends, and fish-belly underframe: Akron, Canton & Youngstown; Ann Arbor; Baltimore & Ohio; BA; Bangor & Aroostook; CCC&StL; Chicago Great Western; Clinchfield; Lake Shore & Michigan Southern; Lehigh Valley; Lehigh & New England; Missouri Pacific; MKT; New York Central & Hudson River; and NYNH&H. 


Steel roof, wood ends, and straight underframe: Boston & Maine; Central RR of New Jersey; C&O; Delaware & Hudson; Denver & Rio Grande; DL&W; Erie; Illinois Terminal System; N&W; Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis; Reading Co. and Toledo & Ohio Central. 


All body styles also available undecorated and data only (Mineral Red and Oxide). 


http://mrr.trains.com/-/media/Images/News%20and%20Reviews/New%20Products/2015/11/Week%202%20%20Trainfest/MRRNP0216_202.jpg?mw=600


Thanks,

Paul


Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA




Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Paul Krueger
 

Did I miss the discussion of this announcement?


With steel roof and ends and fish-belly underframe: Boston & Albany (BA); Canadian Pacific; Cleveland, Cincinnati, Chicago & St. Louis (CCC&StL); Louisville & Nashville; Michigan Central; Missouri-Kansas-Texas (MKT); New York Central; Nickel Plate Road; Missouri Pacific; and Savannah & Atlanta. 


With steel roof and ends and straight underframe: Boston & Maine; Chesapeake & Ohio (C&O); Delaware, Lackawanna & Western (DL&W); Denver & Rio Grande Western; Denver & Salt Lake; Lehigh & Hudson River; Morehead & North Fork; New York, New Haven & Hartford (NYNH&H); and Norfolk & Western (N&W). 


Steel roof, wood ends, and fish-belly underframe: Akron, Canton & Youngstown; Ann Arbor; Baltimore & Ohio; BA; Bangor & Aroostook; CCC&StL; Chicago Great Western; Clinchfield; Lake Shore & Michigan Southern; Lehigh Valley; Lehigh & New England; Missouri Pacific; MKT; New York Central & Hudson River; and NYNH&H. 


Steel roof, wood ends, and straight underframe: Boston & Maine; Central RR of New Jersey; C&O; Delaware & Hudson; Denver & Rio Grande; DL&W; Erie; Illinois Terminal System; N&W; Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis; Reading Co. and Toledo & Ohio Central. 


All body styles also available undecorated and data only (Mineral Red and Oxide). 


http://mrr.trains.com/-/media/Images/News%20and%20Reviews/New%20Products/2015/11/Week%202%20%20Trainfest/MRRNP0216_202.jpg?mw=600


Thanks,

Paul


Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA


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