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Re: Paint question help

Eric Hansmann
 

Robert, what era are you focused upon? 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Nov 18, 2015, at 4:02 PM, robertdeis@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I have just finished building two WESTERFIELD  boxcars and need some help with the correct paint color. I prefer to use Floquil paint. First car kit # 4154 SU box car T-Brace MOBILE & OHIO RR.   Second  car kit # 10154 1916 Auto Car NICKEL PLATE RR. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you all.
Robert Deis



Paint question help

Robert Deis
 

I have just finished building two WESTERFIELD  boxcars and need some help with the correct paint color. I prefer to use Floquil paint. First car kit # 4154 SU box car T-Brace MOBILE & OHIO RR.   Second  car kit # 10154 1916 Auto Car NICKEL PLATE RR. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you all.
Robert Deis



Re: Accurail 36' forthcoming box car

 

Good to keep in mind for later projects, though.

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Accurail 36' forthcoming box car







Sorry guys, too late on both counts.

Dennis







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Re: Accurail 36' forthcoming box car

Todd Horton
 

Dennis, have you given thought to offering cars with and without molded grabs and ladders?    Todd Horton


On Nov 18, 2015, at 1:20 PM, "destorzek@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Sorry guys, too late on both counts.

Dennis


Re: Accurail 36' forthcoming box car

Dennis Storzek
 

Sorry guys, too late on both counts.

Dennis


Re: Accurail 36' forthcoming box car

Bill Welch
 

Dennis, Andy Carlson has been reading my mind only I would up the run to at least 500. Please, please have the doors separate.

Bill Welch


Pere Marquette Decal Set Available

T.J. Stratton
 

Folks: I'm sure Smokebox Graphics is new decal name for many of you.  After seeing the available H.O. decals on the website this past weekend, I ordered all three available sets.  They arrived very promptly in yesterday's mail.  The quality of these decals appears to be very high!  I'm looking forward to applying the decals in the near future.  It's great to have another source for steam era freight cars!

TJ Stratton Maumee, OH.
 

To: STMFC@...
From: STMFC@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:00:13 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] Pere Marquette Decal Set Available

 

Smokebox Graphics is excited to bring a new waterslide decal sheet to the HO scale market. Pere Marquette Railway freight cars can be lettered with this new set, DF0187, which covers up to five pieces of equipment and retails for $9.

 

As I began to model the freight cars my grandfather photographed, I discovered that accurate Pere Marquette lettering (especially their distinctive numerals) was difficult to obtain.  This decal set was created to fill that void, and contains data, number jumbles, and reweigh dates to letter many classes of PM equipment.  A data sheet with selected lettering diagrams and a decal sheet layout is included.

 

These sets have been screen printed in Italy by Cartograf. The quality of the printing is outstanding – even the wording within the equipment trusts and builders’ marks is legible.

 

More information, data sheets, and ordering is available at http://www.smokeboxgraphics.com 

 

Comments, questions, critiques, and complaints are welcome, but MUST be sent to me OFF LIST at smokeboxgraphics AT gmail.com.

 

Thank you,

 

Stephen Wilder


Smokebox Graphics





Re: Accurail 36' forthcoming box car

 

But with the bolt detail; just not the grab.

Excellent idea, Andy!

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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Subject: [STMFC] Accurail 36' forthcoming box car







Dennis-
How much extra inconvenience would it be to make the ends and side molds without any ladders/grabs/brakes and make a run of a few 100 cars without the aforementioned details. Sort of like a private run. Following up this run, go back and engrave the details for the primary runs.

Years ago the late Terry Wegmann made a mold for an early Dreadnaught end to replace the ends on an Athearn reefer. He made the mold without the engraved ladder brackets and ran a few test shots. Satisfied, he went back and added the ladder brackets. He regretted not making a lot more of the 1st shots. Maybe now while you are still in the design period you might consider this? Especially for the ends, which are far more work to remove detail than the sides.

Thanks for continuing to bring forth new freight cars,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA








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Accurail 36' forthcoming box car

Andy Carlson
 

Dennis-
How much extra inconvenience would it be to make the ends and side molds without any ladders/grabs/brakes and make a run of a few 100 cars without the aforementioned details. Sort of like a private run. Following up this run, go back and engrave the details for the primary runs.

Years ago the late Terry Wegmann made a mold for an early Dreadnaught end to replace the ends on an Athearn reefer. He made the mold without the engraved ladder brackets and ran a few test shots. Satisfied, he went back and added the ladder brackets. He regretted not making a lot more of the 1st shots. Maybe now while you are still in the design period you might consider this? Especially for the ends, which are far more work to remove detail than the sides.

Thanks for continuing to bring forth new freight cars,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Scott H. Haycock
 


 

Dave,

I'm not sure I grasp your point. Garth models 1958; I model 1959. EVERY car on our railroads falls within the timeframe of this list. The question relates to how many, if any of these cars survived until the late 1950's. It goes to whether or not these cars would be credible in our era.

Scott Haycock


I am not sure I understand the point of (or perhaps the need for) your post.  You model two years before the cutoff date for this group, so that fact that these 36 foot cars are not relevant to you is entirely predictable.

But the group is supposed to embrace the period 1900 to 1960.  I model 1934 -- right in the middle.  There are others (perhaps just a few) that model earlier.  So, for some of us, these kits might be highly relevant (they are all, after all, SUF cars; many ran through the 1930s and beyond).

I would guess that 85% of the chatter on this site is of no use or interest to me because it deals with things that post-date my layout.  I know how to deal with that fact:  I make liberal use of the delete button.   Everyone has the same "filtering" option.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA






Re: L&N 36-foot Box Cars & Ventilated Boxcars

Scott H. Haycock
 

Bill, 

I'm with you 100% on this, being a SE modeler as well. While I'm the sort who wants the model in my grubby paws, before I jump to conclusions about it's applicability, this model should have all kinds of kitbashing applications, with the 36' length, the different underframes, and especially those reported inverse ends! I like some others want to see how well this tooling adapts to meat reefers!  



Scott Haycock


 


Both groups of cars had outside metal roofs. To maximize versatility I sincerely hope Dennis will design the tooling so that the ends and doors are separate. One thought I have is that this new kit would be a great subject for the 2017 "Shake & Take" to do a L&N ventilated car with resin and photo-etched parts. But then I again I am prejudiced.


Bill Welch




Re: L&N 36-foot Box Cars & Ventilated Boxcars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Bill,

After I sent off my post, I discovered that I have a rather poor plan and a single photo of L&N 8893 in the RMC ROLLING STOCK PLAN BOOK. I suspected that the ends were inset (they don't show in the photo). Depending on the ends, this could be an easy conversion of Dennis' fishbelly steel end car.

Yours Aye,


Garth

On 11/17/15 9:54 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

The L&N owned large numbers of 36-ft Boxcars and Ventilated Boxcars using the same basic components. The pre-WWI group had wood doors and ends with a hefty channel side sill. The vents had a second ventilating door and vents built into the ends. These went through a rebuilding in the late 1930's in Fairfield, AL I think and remaining Vents were converted to boxcars.


The post-WWI cars had inset Murphy steel ends. The side sill looks less beefy but may be partially covered with side sheathing. Doors were wood. The vent version again had a second vent door, louvered vents on the ends and unique to the L&N side vents mounted low on the sides on each side of the doors. Photos of these cars are in the Kline/Culotta book and Speedwitch's "Freight Cars in Context."


Both groups of cars had outside metal roofs. To maximize versatility I sincerely hope Dennis will design the tooling so that the ends and doors are separate. One thought I have is that this new kit would be a great subject for the 2017 "Shake & Take" to do a L&N ventilated car with resin and photo-etched parts. But then I again I am prejudiced.


Bill Welch



Re: New items from Yarmouth Model Works

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Hi Brian,

IIRC, Plano was developing the etch around the time Centralia released their upgrade modernised ATSF caboose with an etched walk, and then Intermountain released their ACF also with an etched walk, and I can only assume Plano didn’t feel there was enough of a market.

I hope he wasn’t correct (VBG) as we are planning to release the product once Keith makes a couple of small revisions for us.

It will include step tread and platform tread etches.

Cheers

Dave North

 

Never could figure out why this was discontinued in the first place.
Thanks!
Brian Ehni

 

Hi Brian,
I bought the artwork for the ATSF caboose walk from Keith and am hoping to have it on the market soon.
(There are a couple of minor changes needed).
Keith will still be doing the etching for us.
cheers
Dave North

 

Regards,

Rob & Chris North

North Model Railroad Supplies Pty. Ltd.

www.northmodelrailroadsupplies.com

 


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

I wonder how close these would be to the Rutland's 36' 7000-series cars?

Phil


On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:54 PM, 'Gary Ray' gerber1926@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I'm excited to see something that fits my 1926 era. Can't wait for them to come out even though they aren't an SP car.
Thanks Accurail,
Gary Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 4:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Friends,

Dennis' new cars look neat, and though they are to be mass-produced and likely to have cast-on grabs, they look like they could easily be upgraded. But does someone who models 1958 need some of these?

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff



Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Gary Ray
 

I'm excited to see something that fits my 1926 era. Can't wait for them to come out even though they aren't an SP car.
Thanks Accurail,
Gary Ray

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 4:38 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Friends,

Dennis' new cars look neat, and though they are to be mass-produced and likely to have cast-on grabs, they look like they could easily be upgraded. But does someone who models 1958 need some of these?


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

anthony wagner
 

Best news I've heard in a long time! Tony Wagner



On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 9:00 PM, "Richard Townsend richtownsend@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I didn't get the sense that Garth was dismissing the cars, just reporting on his research regarding survivors up to 1958. As someone who also models 1958 I was glad to see it. And I'm glad to see that the cars will be useful for your 1934 modeling, as I want to see Dennis be as successful as possible.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC] To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2015 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

 
Garth:

I am not sure I understand the point of (or perhaps the need for) your post.  You model two years before the cutoff date for this group, so that fact that these 36 foot cars are not relevant to you is entirely predictable.

But the group is supposed to embrace the period 1900 to 1960.  I model 1934 -- right in the middle.  There are others (perhaps just a few) that model earlier.  So, for some of us, these kits might be highly relevant (they are all, after all, SUF cars; many ran through the 1930s and beyond).

I would guess that 85% of the chatter on this site is of no use or interest to me because it deals with things that post-date my layout.  I know how to deal with that fact:  I make liberal use of the delete button.   Everyone has the same "filtering" option.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA






Re: Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

Richard Townsend
 

I didn't get the sense that Garth was dismissing the cars, just reporting on his research regarding survivors up to 1958. As someone who also models 1958 I was glad to see it. And I'm glad to see that the cars will be useful for your 1934 modeling, as I want to see Dennis be as successful as possible.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Parker spottab@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2015 5:01 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed boxcars

 
Garth:

I am not sure I understand the point of (or perhaps the need for) your post.  You model two years before the cutoff date for this group, so that fact that these 36 foot cars are not relevant to you is entirely predictable.

But the group is supposed to embrace the period 1900 to 1960.  I model 1934 -- right in the middle.  There are others (perhaps just a few) that model earlier.  So, for some of us, these kits might be highly relevant (they are all, after all, SUF cars; many ran through the 1930s and beyond).

I would guess that 85% of the chatter on this site is of no use or interest to me because it deals with things that post-date my layout.  I know how to deal with that fact:  I make liberal use of the delete button.   Everyone has the same "filtering" option.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




L&N 36-foot Box Cars & Ventilated Boxcars

Bill Welch
 

The L&N owned large numbers of 36-ft Boxcars and Ventilated Boxcars using the same basic components. The pre-WWI group had wood doors and ends with a hefty channel side sill. The vents had a second ventilating door and vents built into the ends. These went through a rebuilding in the late 1930's in Fairfield, AL I think and remaining Vents were converted to boxcars.


The post-WWI cars had inset Murphy steel ends. The side sill looks less beefy but may be partially covered with side sheathing. Doors were wood. The vent version again had a second vent door, louvered vents on the ends and unique to the L&N side vents mounted low on the sides on each side of the doors. Photos of these cars are in the Kline/Culotta book and Speedwitch's "Freight Cars in Context."


Both groups of cars had outside metal roofs. To maximize versatility I sincerely hope Dennis will design the tooling so that the ends and doors are separate. One thought I have is that this new kit would be a great subject for the 2017 "Shake & Take" to do a L&N ventilated car with resin and photo-etched parts. But then I again I am prejudiced.


Bill Welch


Re: WAG 6000 series boxcar

Schleigh Mike
 

WAG 6000 series cars, so labeled and numbered, date from the mid-1960s and are not of this group's time-frame.  The cars themselves do qualify in that they were built in 1930 by Standard Steel Car and were known as ARA XM-1 single sheathed cars. See RP CYC18 for a good accounting of these 1975 cars (two orders).  Funaro & Camerlengo produces a very nice single piece resin kit with both WAG and Boston & Maine lettering.  BM was the original owner.  Cars started transferring first to affiliate Ft.DD&S (and shortly after to the WAG) starting in 1957.

I have produced a comprehensive rolling stock article for the WAG (1956-1979) covering all their rolling stock and their origins plus modeling advice.  Four color pictures are included.  Cost is $2.50.  Contact me off line.

Regards----Mike Schleigh



On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 7:26 PM, "Kevin Sprayberry csxt5555@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Can somebody on the list share some info on theses cars? I got a pic of the 6050. It looks like maybe a Howe OB boxcar. Car has a steel door and looks like a steel roof. I can't see the ends in the pic. I believe these cars were used to haul furs. Any ideas

Kevin Spraybery




Re: WAG 6000 series boxcar

Dave Boss
 

  The cars you refer to are probably the X-B&M OB cars they bought second hand. They were a 40ft. car with steel ends, and doors. I believe they had to different roof designs as well. F&C is producing both versions. Some were in hid service. Dave



On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 7:26 PM, "Kevin Sprayberry csxt5555@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Can somebody on the list share some info on theses cars? I got a pic of the 6050. It looks like maybe a Howe OB boxcar. Car has a steel door and looks like a steel roof. I can't see the ends in the pic. I believe these cars were used to haul furs. Any ideas

Kevin Spraybery



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