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Re: Help with UP 961100-961199 in 1942

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2015-11-19, at 11:29 AM, elombard@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
If you have a 7-1942 or 10-1942 ORER I would be very grateful if you could look up UP 961100-961199 and share the the car count and inside height. This was a small series of 4 cars that originated in 4-1942 and vacated 10 and 11-1942. The series does not appear in the 4-1942 ORER. They may have been the first of the "bomber boxes" on the UP, hence the curiosity about the inside height reported. All 4 cars were class A-50-15 and renumbered into 561100-561199 (40 cars) which did have an inside height of 12-4 for Boeing B-17 wings.

Eric, both the July 1942 and October 1942 ORERs show UP 961134-961182, 4 cars, inside height 12'4".

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada



Re: Prototype info for the new Accurail box car

ed_mines
 

There's a photo of a 36 ft. double sheathed DL&W box car in one of the Tabor books with the steel end Accurail plans to use.


RDG had similar cars with Hutcheons roofs. I don't know for sure but I'll bet many of the cars were originally built with T&G roofs. How about separate roofs Dennis?


You can get an idea of which railroads had 36 ft  box cars from charts in the back of the ORERs at a particular time.. Not many in the 1943 NMRA reprint issue.


Ed Mines


Wilson Reefer Hatch Covers

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Here is a link to a close-up photo of hatch covers on Wilson wood reefers:

 

https://myp48.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/wilson-roof-close-up.jpg

 

The date and place are unknown.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: NC&STL 36' Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <fgexbill@...> wrote :

No, the 36-ft SS NC&StL served their lives w/o rebuilding. The steel rebuilds likely came from a group of Double Sheathed cars, 13100-15099. From Ray Breyer's chart notice this group takes a dive in its numbers in 1945 while 20000-21399 has over 1000 cars. The reprint of an NC&StL Freight Car Diagram Book identifies the steel rebuild as having both Murphy and Hutchins ends. Jay Williams has a photo of one of the Double Sheathed cars in his collection.

===================

That makes a lot of sense. The reason for the big rebuilding campaigns of the thirties is that steel car framing proved itself so superior to the wood framing that came before. Remember, USRA double sheathed cars were wood framed, some of the last cars so built. Most of the steel framed cars of that era lasted in service 'til a ripe old age without much modification at all.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Prototype info for the new Accurail box car

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Dick wrote:

 
Looking back, at that time frame we had a overflowing pool of great presentations and presenters and, mentally walking down the hallway north from the lobby past the guard, there must have been six or more rooms to choose presentations from  for many hours at the former HI site if I recall correctly.

      I would agree, Jim, that it used to be that way, and would add that it's quite a contrast to the last few years.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: NC&STL 36' Boxcar

Matt Herson
 

Actually they wound up on the CHP in Mexico.

http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=63835

 

Matt Herson

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] NC&STL 36' Boxcar

 

 

QUESTION

Didn't some of the 36ft NC&StL box cars find there way into the NdeM system???????????

Joel

 

 


Re: NC&STL 36' Boxcar

Ray Breyer
 

Possibly, but you may be thinking about the two that are preserved in Santa Clara, Cuba.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

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From: joel norman mec-bml@... [STMFC] ;
To: STMFC@... <STMFC@...>;
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NC&STL 36' Boxcar
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QUESTION
Didn't some of the 36ft NC&StL box cars find there way into the NdeM system???????????
Joel



On Saturday, November 21, 2015 5:27 AM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Some NC&StL rebuilds featured inset Murphy ends.

Bill Welch





Re: NC&STL 36' Boxcar

Bill Welch
 

No, the 36-ft SS NC&StL served their lives w/o rebuilding. The steel rebuilds likely came from a group of Double Sheathed cars, 13100-15099. From Ray Breyer's chart notice this group takes a dive in its numbers in 1945 while 20000-21399 has over 1000 cars. The reprint of an NC&StL Freight Car Diagram Book identifies the steel rebuild as having both Murphy and Hutchins ends. Jay Williams has a photo of one of the Double Sheathed cars in his collection.

Bill Welch


Factory Painted OLM Sinclair GACX tank car

Andy Carlson
 

Anyone interested in a mint HO Overland Models Factory Painted Sinclair Gen'l Amer. tank car, a nice one is currently on Ebay; link is below. Also some SP steam era locomotives. I don't have an interest in the results, just know the seller.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



==========================================================

freight cars
  General American Type 17 10,000 gallon tank car Sinclair
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926742051

Southern Pacific steam
  Challenger 2509.1 Southern Pacific AC-7 4-8-8-2 #4176 cab forward
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926696589

  Sunset Southern Pacific M-9 2-6-0 T&NO #552 painted DCC & sound
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926736097

Southern Pacific diesels
  Overland 5935 Southern Pacific PA-1 #6012 modernized pro painted
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926713680

  Overland 5937 Southern Pacific PA-2 #6020 modernized pro painted
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926724772





Re: NYC PS-1 box car information needed

Seth Lakin
 

Mark, The majority of NYC's PS-1's had 6 foot doors.

There were a total of 8 lots (groups) of PS-1 boxcars on the NYC. 6 lots were 40 footers and 2 were 50 footers. 

40 foot 6 foot door cars were lots 765-B (1000 cars), 798-B (1500 cars), 808-B (1000 cars), 817-B (1000 cars), 842-B (500 cars). These cars were numbered NYC 167000-167999, 169999-172499 and 180000-180499. Superior 7 panel, Superior 5 panel and Youngstown were all used.

40 foot 8 foot door cars were lot 848-B, NYC 175000-175024 (25 cars) had 8 foot 6 panel Superior doors. These cars were originally assigned to Pacemaker service.

The Canada Southern website is an excellent NYC reference, a entire NYC freight car roster can be found here

Slightly out of the time range for the group. NYC had two lots of 50 foot PS-1. Lot 944-B (100 cars) were delivered to subsidiary Peoria & Eastern and lot 136-B (400 cars) were stretched from 40 foot cars by adding a 10 foot section the center of the car. Both of these lots had 10 foot doors.  

Now time for the shameless plug, my articles on modeling a Peoria & Eastern lot 944-B appears in the 4th quarter 2015 NYCentral Modeler, and modeling the stretched lot 136-B will appear in the 1st quarter 2016 issue. All the issues of NYCentral Modeler, the free e-Zine from the New York Central Historical Society can be found here

Seth Lakin
Michigan City, IN


Re: NC&STL 36' Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Richard,

The steel ends on the NC&StL car in the link you sent are an inverse Hutchins
end.

Aren't these steel-sheathed shorties rebuilds of the NC&StL FowlerDominion
design cars? Here's the link again.

http://www.ncstl.com/equipment/rollingstock/box20034.htm


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On November 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM "Rhbale@aol.com [STMFC]"
<STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Garth...

Thanks for the reference to the car pictured in
http://www.ncstl.com/equipment/rollingstock/box20034.htm .

I've never seen that type of end before. Can anyone offer details?

Richard Bale
_

In a message dated 11/20/2015 12:29:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:

http://www.ncstl.com/equipment/rollingstock/box20034.htm

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Re: NC&STL 36' Boxcar

joel norman <mec-bml@...>
 

QUESTION
Didn't some of the 36ft NC&StL box cars find there way into the NdeM system???????????
Joel



On Saturday, November 21, 2015 5:27 AM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Some NC&StL rebuilds featured inset Murphy ends.

Bill Welch



Re: NC&STL 36' Boxcar

Bill Welch
 

Some NC&StL rebuilds featured inset Murphy ends.

Bill Welch


some more Ebay auctions

Tim O'Connor
 

freight cars

 General American Type 17 10,000 gallon tank car Sinclair

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926742051

Southern Pacific steam
 

Challenger 2509.1 Southern Pacific SP #4176 AC-7 4-8-8-2 cab forward

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926696589

 Sunset Southern Pacific M-9 2-6-0 T&NO #552 painted & DCC & sound

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926736097

Southern Pacific diesels
 

Overland 5935 Southern Pacific PA-1 #6012 modernized pro painted
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926713680
 Overland 5937 Southern Pacific PA-2 #6020 modernized pro painted

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/321926724772

Thanks!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Prototype info for the new Accurail box car

np328
 

    Ray,
   A reprise of these presentations, I would endorse that idea greatly. Going to Naperville since well before 2008, I do not recall sitting in on your presentations, and see I missed something I would now very much like to see.

   Looking back, at that time frame we had a overflowing pool of great presentations and presenters and, mentally walking down the hallway north from the lobby past the guard, there must have been six or more rooms to choose presentations from  for many hours at the former HI site if I recall correctly.
                                                                                                                      Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN


Re: Prototype info for the new Accurail box car

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

According to the article by Jeff English I am looking at from the Spring 2000 issue of the RRHS magazine "The Newsliner":

"Apparently when built, two different roof types were applied in equal numbers. Murphy XLA roofs were used on 7000-7249, and cab be spotted by counting twelve battens of flat rectangular cross-section. The final 250 cars received Hutchins Type-D roofs (not to be confused with the later style of Hutchins roof used by many other railroads in the 1920's and 1930's), which are differentiated from the Murphy by their sixteen seam caps that are much narrow than the Murphy battens."

Phil


On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 8:02 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 




---In STMFC@..., wrote :

Do you know which roof type is being used? I ask because the Rutland owned nearly 500 of the 1912 NYC-design 36' box cars. Half had Murphy XLA roofs, the other half had Hutchins Type-D roofs.
====================

It could be a Murphy XLA; it's whatever NYC was using to replace the original roofs during the twenties. I say "could be" because both Hutchins and Chicago-Cleveland had similar competing products, and the builder drawings don't specify which it is. Why would builder drawings show replacement roofs? Because the NYC was having a lot of their earlier wood underframe cars rebuilt with steel UF's (which retained truss rods), apparently under contract at either Pullman or H&B; maybe both. Very likely the roofs were replaced at the same time.

The lead photo of Eric's Blog page shows an NYC car built in '12 with a re-weigh in '22, and the roof has been replaced already.

Back to the XLA roof, it has flat featureless rectangular seam caps, as do both competitors. The Hutchins Type D roof, however, has round seam caps.

Dennis Storzek




Re: NC&STL 36' Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


looks like reverse Hutchins


Thanks for the reference to the car pictured in http://www.ncstl.com/equipment/rollingstock/box20034.htm .
 
I've never seen that type of end before. Can anyone offer details?
 
Richard Bale


Re: Prototype info for the new Accurail box car

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <pblancher@...> wrote :

Do you know which roof type is being used? I ask because the Rutland owned nearly 500 of the 1912 NYC-design 36' box cars. Half had Murphy XLA roofs, the other half had Hutchins Type-D roofs.
====================

It could be a Murphy XLA; it's whatever NYC was using to replace the original roofs during the twenties. I say "could be" because both Hutchins and Chicago-Cleveland had similar competing products, and the builder drawings don't specify which it is. Why would builder drawings show replacement roofs? Because the NYC was having a lot of their earlier wood underframe cars rebuilt with steel UF's (which retained truss rods), apparently under contract at either Pullman or H&B; maybe both. Very likely the roofs were replaced at the same time.

The lead photo of Eric's Blog page shows an NYC car built in '12 with a re-weigh in '22, and the roof has been replaced already.

Back to the XLA roof, it has flat featureless rectangular seam caps, as do both competitors. The Hutchins Type D roof, however, has round seam caps.

Dennis Storzek



Re: NYC PS-1 box car information needed

Benjamin Hom
 

Mark Drake asked:
"I'm trying to find out what doors were used by the NYC on the PS-1 box cars, all sizes and types. Thanks in advance."



Ben Hom


NYC PS-1 box car information needed

markstation01@...
 

I'm trying to find out what doors were used by the NYC on the PS-1 box cars, all sizes and types. Thanks in advance.


Mark Drake from Florida

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