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Re: Stan Rydarowicz
Bill Welch
This is very sad news. He was his usual friendly funny self at the Lisle RPM and I was looking forward to seeing him again at The Beach in January. Stanley was part of the Hawaiian Shirt Posse. What impressed me was his creativity at taking existing kits and coming up with conversion parts to create another model. He had a very good eye for modeling. He was a jewel of man.
Bill Welch
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Re: Stan Rydarowicz
Clark Propst
I was just thinking of ordering some parts and wishing him a Merry
Christmas...Sad...
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Marty McGuirk
I've been really busy at work today so haven't read all the posts on this topic, but did catch some of the discussion of the terminology used to describe the various RR "heralds," - medallions, emblems, etc....
The CV crews and old timers usually called them "wafers" - a term I believe the Canadian National folks also used. Though the prototype documents are consistent - the diagram for the steam locomotive herald (also used on milk cars) is simply labeled "Stenciling," and the one of the small maple leaf on the ends of the diesels and on a few CV passenger and baggage cars specifically refers to it as a "monogram." "Wafer" or the less formal, but certainly descriptive "tilted box" is the way the familiar red tender lettering was usually described. I posted a couple of photos of these diagrams on my blog - the ones I have are full-sized scans of the originals, which are full size - Central Vermont Railway: Central Vermont stenciling diagrams
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Re: Stan Rydarowicz
Schleigh Mike
Stan was one very fine individual and modeler quietly producing a very useful line of products for us. He unselfishly shared his knowledge and talents. I consider him one of those special people we meet very rarely in life. He will be missed. Condolences to all family and friends. Saddened Regards----Mike Schleigh
On Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:13 PM, "Brian carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC]" wrote: Forwarded from another list. It's with sad regret that I have terrible news. Those of you that knew him will be devastated as I am
Stan Rydarowicz passed away suddenly this morning of an apparent heart attack. I will post more information as it becomes available Brian J. Carlson
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Tony Thompson
gary roe wrote:
Both SP and PFE called them "medallions." When I asked the retired CMO of PFE something about "heralds," he said, "what's that?" Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Schleigh Mike
"Monogram" was ERIE's term as well. Regards----Mike Schleigh
On Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:54 PM, "corlissbs@... [STMFC]" wrote: On the MILW, it was called a "monogram".
Herald was a "modelbuilder's" term. I'm sure other railroads had different
terms for the same thing.
Brad Smith
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Brad Smith
On the MILW, it was called a "monogram".
Herald was a "modelbuilder's" term. I'm sure other railroads had different
terms for the same thing.
Brad Smith
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Re: Prototype Railroad Profiles
take them to Staples or other store... I just printed 3 one-page PDF files the other day at Staples (my printer ran out of ink)... total charge was 35 cents. Tim O'Connor Here is a miner problem I have. In general the quality of the pictures printed out on the normal household printer are not very good. How do we take the file and get magazine or book quality pictures.
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Gary Roe
Charlie, Yes it does, since every railroad I am familiar with called them an "emblem". "Herald" is like fingers on a chalkboard to me......for those of us old enough to know what a chalkboard is. gary roe quincy, illinois
From: "'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 1:42 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech I think safe terminology would be: “Heralds” can cover logos, trademarks, graphic markings and other non – alpha/numeric characters…but probably opens up yet another can of worms/topic of discussion!!!Charlie Vlk
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Charlie Vlk
I think safe terminology would be: “Lettering & Painting Diagrams (L&P)” for smaller than full size “cartoon” (general not necessarily perfectly scale representations of the general arrangement of the dimensioned location of lettering and heralds/logos on a car or locomotive) that has specific references to other more accurate drawings or full size stencil drawings of individual elements. “Stencil Drawings” for full size accurately proportioned drawings which may or may not be complete (for example requiring an “F” to be constructed from the same figure as the “E”, for example) that are to be directly transferred to stencil media by “poncing” or other techniques. These do not include the location information that the L&P drawings contain. Your favorite railroad may use different terminology for these documents but most companies had some form of them. “Lettering” would cover alpha characters and numbers. “Heralds” can cover logos, trademarks, graphic markings and other non – alpha/numeric characters…but probably opens up yet another can of worms/topic of discussion!!! Charlie Vlk
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Re: Prototype Railroad Profiles
I purchased the large file printable version (same price for all versions.) The landscape format allows the pictures to print out much larger than they would be in a typical magazine format.
As an experiment, I printed out the page with the underframe on both my black and white laser and color ink jet printers. Both were quite acceptable. In fact, the paper looks like I am looking at the bottom of an S scale boxcar (or almost O scale, the underframe on the print measures 9.25 inches.) In other words, bigger than life size.
Jon, which file version did you purchase?
Regards, Steve Hile
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On 12/3/2015 8:55 AM, 'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC] wrote:
Excellent value.
For, essentially, the cost of a model railroad magazine on the newsstand, I had another edition of the Essential Freight Cars series to view on my PC or print out.
-- Jon MillerFor me time stopped in 1941Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI UserNMRA Life member #2623Member SFRH&MS
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Stan Rydarowicz
Forwarded from another list. It's with sad regret that I have terrible news. Those of you that knew him will be devastated as I am
Stan Rydarowicz passed away suddenly this morning of an apparent heart attack. I will post more information as it becomes available Brian J. Carlson
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Re: Prototype Railroad Profiles
Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
On 12/3/2015 8:55 AM, 'Steve and
Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC] wrote:
Excellent value.
Here is a miner problem I have. In general the quality of the pictures printed out on the normal household printer are not very good. How do we take the file and get magazine or book quality pictures. -- Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Ted Culotta
I used the letters and figures in Terry's book to create some of the lettering I use in my UP decal sets (except the early style in D136 - a set I love that no one wants!) and the void where the 'G' should have been meant I had to create it separately from scans to make the symbol for the Grand Island location on the UP! How they missed that in the drawing mystified me. It's not like Grand Island was a backwater location that wouldn't be used so the absence of the 'G' was interesting, to say the least!
Cheers, Ted Culotta
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Tony Thompson
Yep, that's a draftsman who either understood what we might call "type design," or whose visual perception was sharp enough to realize what was needed with that lettering on a car side. No doubt there had been earlier designs which did not do this quite adequately, and some letters did not look right. The same goes for the kerning needed. The equalization of the VISUAL space between letters is by no means a constant geometrical spacing, but varies with each letter combination, and they may even need to overlap to achieve equal VISUAL spacing with other letters. Consider letters A and W next to each other, Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Charlie Vlk
I have seen a number of full size stencil drawings issued by the engineering department of various railroads so not all railroads would have the shops “scale up” lettering / heralds to make the actual stencils.
Especially going back to when equipment was hand painted by sign painters and even after the widespread use of stencils, stencil paste and compressed air painting there was still room for variation. Stencils could be located “incorrectly” and size/spacing modified to fit particular pieces of equipment. Remember, these things were done in at best shop conditions and often out in the open on R.I.P. tracks by people trying to get their work done and not in a tightly controlled environment.
Also, I believe that the “Zephyr” letters and figures originated with the Budd Company and were not just a variation of an existing design. It may have been used by them prior to the first Railroad use on the Pioneer Zephyr No. 9900 (in their auto supply business…for example, some CHEVROLET pickup tailgate lettering) . I traced Budd Company drawings and made up a complete Alphabet and Number artwork which was presented in RMC with Marshall Thayer’s Zephyr train drawings back in the 1970s and I suppose they were the basis for the Railfont Zephyr digital characters and decals from MicroScale and others.
While on the subject, I note that the CB&Q Lettering and Painting diagrams call for “AAR Std. Lettering & Figures except as noted”. This would account for the lack of CB&Q Railroad Roman type letter and figure drawings. Does anyone have a set of such lettering???
Thanks, Charlie Vlk
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Dean ONeill
I have really enjoyed this discussion of RR typography. It makes me wonder if there are enough of us that are into this RR typography and decal development - maybe we could start our own Yahoo group dedicated to the topic. We could share best practices, get feedback on new artwork or files, Q&A on technical questions, compare/contrast software programs, and maybe even pool some "open source" artwork. Since this is not really a STMFC topic, maybe reply back to me if interested. I think we could easily get 20-40 people in on this. Dean ONeill Redmond WA
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Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech
Curt Fortenberry
I have CNW alphabet drawings in all manner of sizes, 1-10", and different styles. They too took the time to draw out exactly what they wanted. For the L&N passenger script, they had a master stencil to create a pounce pattern on the car side and it was hand painted from there. I suspect many railroads were like that for special lettering. Curt Fortenberry
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Re: Walthers Prototype Lettering Diagram Books (Was: Re: Decals offer...
ed_mines
Only Walthers plan book no.1 was relevant for me but I recall they listed Erie's 71000 series as a double sheathed box cars when in reality they had rivetless steel sides. The book was inexpensive when I bought it and full of information, mostly correct. Ed Mines
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Prototype Railroad Profiles
Just a note to highlight a new product from Ted Culotta (Speedwitch Media.) I just purchased number 2 in this series from the Speedwitch website. http://speedwitchmedia.com/something-new-prototype-railroad-profile-series/
The process was quick and painless. A few clicks and PayPal for $7.00 brought a file to my Downloads area that is similar to the Essential Freight Cars series, but expanded to 25 pages of prototype and model construction photos with tips and techniques. Since I had previously taken advantage of one of Ted’s sales for the base Intermountain car, it was a natural fit.
For, essentially, the cost of a model railroad magazine on the newsstand, I had another edition of the Essential Freight Cars series to view on my PC or print out.
Ted doesn’t do much tooting of his own horn, but this is a welcome new approach to sharing modeling and prototype information. Thanks Ted.
Steve Hile
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