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Re: Stan Rydarowicz

Bill Welch
 

This is very sad news. He was his usual friendly funny self at the Lisle RPM and I was looking forward to seeing him again at The Beach in January. Stanley was part of the Hawaiian Shirt Posse. What impressed me was his creativity at taking existing kits and coming up with conversion parts to create another model. He had a very good eye for modeling. He was a jewel of man.

Bill Welch


Re: Stan Rydarowicz

Clark Propst
 

I was just thinking of ordering some parts and wishing him a Merry Christmas...Sad...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Marty McGuirk
 

I've been really busy at work today so haven't read all the posts on this topic, but did catch some of the discussion of the terminology used to describe the various RR "heralds," -  medallions, emblems, etc.... 
The CV crews and old timers usually called them "wafers" - a term I believe the Canadian National folks also used. Though the prototype documents are consistent - the diagram for the steam locomotive herald (also used on milk cars) is simply labeled "Stenciling," and the one of the small maple leaf on the ends of the diesels and on a few CV passenger and baggage cars specifically refers to it as a "monogram." 
"Wafer" or the less formal, but certainly descriptive "tilted box" is the way the familiar red tender lettering was usually described.  
I posted a couple of photos of these diagrams on my blog - the ones I have are full-sized scans of the originals, which are full size - 
Central Vermont Railway: Central Vermont stenciling diagrams

 




Re: Stan Rydarowicz

Schleigh Mike
 

Stan was one very fine individual and modeler quietly producing a very useful line of products for us.  He unselfishly shared his knowledge and talents.  I consider him one of those special people we meet very rarely in life.  He will be missed.  Condolences to all family and friends.

Saddened Regards----Mike Schleigh



On Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:13 PM, "Brian carlson prrk41361@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Forwarded from another list. It's with sad regret that I have terrible news. Those of you that knew him will be devastated as I am
Stan Rydarowicz passed away suddenly this morning of an apparent heart attack.
I will post more information as it becomes available

Brian J. Carlson



Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Tony Thompson
 

gary roe wrote:

 
Yes it does, since every railroad I am familiar with called them an "emblem".  "Herald" is like fingers on a chalkboard to me......for those of us old enough to know what a chalkboard is.

   Both SP and PFE called them "medallions." When I asked the retired CMO of PFE something about "heralds," he said, "what's that?"

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Schleigh Mike
 

"Monogram" was ERIE's term as well.

Regards----Mike Schleigh



On Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:54 PM, "corlissbs@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
 
On the MILW, it was called a "monogram".  Herald was a "modelbuilder's" term.  I'm sure other railroads had different terms for the same thing.
 
Brad Smith



Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Brad Smith
 

 
On the MILW, it was called a "monogram".  Herald was a "modelbuilder's" term.  I'm sure other railroads had different terms for the same thing.
 
Brad Smith


Re: Prototype Railroad Profiles

Tim O'Connor
 


take them to Staples or other store... I just printed 3 one-page PDF files the other day at Staples
(my printer ran out of ink)... total charge was 35 cents.

Tim O'Connor




    Here is a miner problem I have.  In general the quality of the pictures  printed out on the normal household printer are not very good.  How do we take the file and get magazine or book quality pictures.


Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Gary Roe
 

Charlie,

Yes it does, since every railroad I am familiar with called them an "emblem".  "Herald" is like fingers on a chalkboard to me......for those of us old enough to know what a chalkboard is.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



From: "'Charlie Vlk' cvlk@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

 
I think safe terminology would be:
“Heralds” can cover logos, trademarks, graphic markings and other non – alpha/numeric characters…but probably opens up yet another can of worms/topic of discussion!!!
Charlie Vlk



Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Charlie Vlk
 

I think safe terminology would be:

“Lettering & Painting Diagrams (L&P)” for smaller than full size “cartoon” (general not necessarily perfectly scale representations of the general arrangement of the dimensioned location of lettering and heralds/logos on a car or locomotive) that has specific references to other more accurate drawings or full size stencil drawings of individual elements.

  “Stencil Drawings” for full size accurately proportioned drawings which may or may not be complete (for example requiring an “F” to be constructed from the same figure as the “E”, for example) that are to be directly transferred to stencil media by “poncing” or other techniques.  These do not include the location information that the L&P drawings contain.

Your favorite railroad may use different terminology for these documents but most companies had some form of them.

“Lettering” would cover alpha characters and numbers.

“Heralds” can cover logos, trademarks, graphic markings and other non – alpha/numeric characters…but probably opens up yet another can of worms/topic of discussion!!!

Charlie Vlk


Re: Prototype Railroad Profiles

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I purchased the large file printable version (same price for all versions.)  The landscape format allows the pictures to print out much larger than they would be in a typical magazine format.

 

As an experiment, I printed out the page with the underframe on both my black and white laser and color ink jet printers.  Both were quite acceptable.  In fact, the paper looks like I am looking at the bottom of an S scale boxcar (or almost O scale, the underframe on the print measures 9.25 inches.)  In other words, bigger than life size.

 

Jon, which file version did you purchase?

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 


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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Prototype Railroad Profiles

 

 

On 12/3/2015 8:55 AM, 'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC] wrote:

Essential Freight Cars series, but expanded to 25 pages of prototype and model construction photos with tips and techniques. 

    Excellent value.

 

For, essentially, the cost of a model railroad magazine on the newsstand, I had another edition of the Essential Freight Cars series to view on my PC or print out.


    Here is a miner problem I have.  In general the quality of the pictures  printed out on the normal household printer are not very good.  How do we take the file and get magazine or book quality pictures.


-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Stan Rydarowicz

Brian Carlson
 

Forwarded from another list. It's with sad regret that I have terrible news. Those of you that knew him will be devastated as I am
Stan Rydarowicz passed away suddenly this morning of an apparent heart attack.
I will post more information as it becomes available

Brian J. Carlson


Re: Prototype Railroad Profiles

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 12/3/2015 8:55 AM, 'Steve and Barb Hile' shile@... [STMFC] wrote:

Essential Freight Cars series, but expanded to 25 pages of prototype and model construction photos with tips and techniques. 

    Excellent value.

 

For, essentially, the cost of a model railroad magazine on the newsstand, I had another edition of the Essential Freight Cars series to view on my PC or print out.


    Here is a miner problem I have.  In general the quality of the pictures  printed out on the normal household printer are not very good.  How do we take the file and get magazine or book quality pictures.
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Ted Culotta
 

I used the letters and figures in Terry's book to create some of the lettering I use in my UP decal sets (except the early style in D136 - a set I love that no one wants!) and the void where the 'G' should have been meant I had to create it separately from scans to make the symbol for the Grand Island location on the UP! How they missed that in the drawing mystified me. It's not like Grand Island was a backwater location that wouldn't be used so the absence of the 'G' was interesting, to say the least!

Cheers,
Ted Culotta 


Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Tony Thompson
 

But in his book, the late Terry Metcalf reproduced the UP's drawing for three inch sans serif "Letters and Figures" as the drawing is titled, dated 7-15-39, and it only includes 23 letters with the ten numbers... the G, J, and S are missing, although they left space for them. I guess they figured they'd add them to the drawing if they ever needed them.

      The previous drawing, for Roman lettering, does contain all the letters of the alphabet.

Another interesting tidbit shown on the drawing that few would ever pick up on... round letters like C, O, and Q are about 3% larger than the standard height, and letters with round bottoms, like U are placed about 1.5% below the base line... the reason being to better fill the visual space.

    Yep, that's a draftsman who either understood what we might call "type design," or whose visual perception was sharp enough to realize what was needed with that lettering on a car side. No doubt there had been earlier designs which did not do this quite adequately, and some letters did not look right. The same goes for the kerning needed. The equalization of the VISUAL space between letters is by no means a constant geometrical spacing, but varies with each letter combination, and they may even need to overlap to achieve equal VISUAL spacing with other letters. Consider letters A and W next to each other,

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Charlie Vlk
 

I have seen a number of full size stencil drawings issued by the engineering department of various railroads so not all railroads would have the shops “scale up” lettering / heralds to make the actual stencils.

 

Especially going back to when equipment was hand painted by sign painters and even after the widespread use of stencils, stencil paste and compressed air painting there was still room for variation.   Stencils could be located “incorrectly” and size/spacing modified to fit particular pieces of equipment.  Remember, these things were done in at best shop conditions and often out in the open on R.I.P. tracks by people trying to get their work done and not in a tightly controlled environment.

 

Also, I believe that the “Zephyr” letters and figures originated with the Budd Company and were not just a variation of an existing design.   It may have been used by them prior to the first Railroad use on the Pioneer Zephyr No. 9900 (in their auto supply business…for example, some CHEVROLET pickup tailgate lettering) .   I traced Budd Company drawings and made up a complete Alphabet and Number artwork which was presented in RMC with Marshall Thayer’s Zephyr train drawings back in the 1970s and I suppose they were the basis for the Railfont Zephyr digital characters and decals from MicroScale and others.

 

While on the subject, I note that the CB&Q Lettering and Painting diagrams call for “AAR Std. Lettering & Figures except as noted”.  This would account for the lack of CB&Q Railroad Roman type letter and figure drawings.  Does anyone have a set of such lettering???

 

 

Thanks,

Charlie Vlk


Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Dean ONeill
 

I have really enjoyed this discussion of RR typography. It makes me wonder if there are enough of us that are into this RR typography and decal development - maybe we could start our own Yahoo group dedicated to the topic. We could share best practices, get feedback on new artwork or files, Q&A on technical questions, compare/contrast software programs, and maybe even pool some "open source" artwork.

Since this is not really a STMFC topic, maybe reply back to me if interested. I think we could easily get 20-40 people in on this.

Dean ONeill

Redmond WA


Re: Decals offered on Ebay by dkmtech

Curt Fortenberry
 


I have CNW alphabet drawings in all manner of sizes, 1-10", and different styles. They too took the time to draw out exactly what they wanted.  For the L&N passenger script, they had a master stencil to create a pounce pattern on the car side and it was hand painted from there.  I suspect many railroads were like that for special lettering.

Curt Fortenberry


Re: Walthers Prototype Lettering Diagram Books (Was: Re: Decals offer...

ed_mines
 

Only Walthers plan book no.1 was relevant for me but I recall they listed Erie's 71000 series as a double sheathed box cars when in reality they had rivetless steel sides.


The book was inexpensive when I bought it and full of information, mostly correct.


Ed Mines


Prototype Railroad Profiles

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Just a note to highlight a new product from Ted Culotta (Speedwitch Media.)  I just purchased number 2 in this series from the Speedwitch website.  http://speedwitchmedia.com/something-new-prototype-railroad-profile-series/

 

The process was quick and painless.  A few clicks and PayPal for $7.00 brought a file to my Downloads area that is similar to the Essential Freight Cars series, but expanded to 25 pages of prototype and model construction photos with tips and techniques.  Since I had previously taken advantage of one of Ted’s sales for the base Intermountain car, it was a natural fit.

 

For, essentially, the cost of a model railroad magazine on the newsstand, I had another edition of the Essential Freight Cars series to view on my PC or print out.

 

Ted doesn’t do much tooting of his own horn, but this is a welcome new approach to sharing modeling and prototype information.  Thanks Ted.

 

Steve Hile

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