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Re: Blue & White BAR Reefers

Brad Smith
 

BAR potato cars roamed the US except for during the potato harvest because there were more cars than the BAR could store, so they leased them out.  During the potato harvest, solid trains of the cars were passed on to other railroads on their trip to parts of the US.  I saw a pic of a "Yellow dog extra." as was called on the New Haven.  That was a train of the yellow BAR reefers, with a rider car (caboose) where the "potato something" (I forgot) rode.  He had to control the heaters to keep the potatoes from freezing.
 
Brad Smith
 
In a message dated 12/13/2015 10:23:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:

 

Does anyone have a photo link to these?


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Blue & White BAR Reefers

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Does anyone have a photo link to these?


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Digest Number 9954

Bill Welch
 

Then there are those photos of Blue & White BAR reefers with a black potato on them floating around, B&W and color.

Bill Welch


Re: some discussion regarding decals from an Ebay seller known as dkmtech

paul.doggett2472@...
 

Rod 
Thanks that's a handy tip.
Paul Doggett UK




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"Rod Miller rod@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

On 12/12/15 7:47 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]
wrote:
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> /Boy, do I wish I’d read that trick about using a black marker on the back of
> the paper to make white decals readable about three weeks ago!/
>
> //
>
> /Schuyler/
>

Be sure to use a non-permanent marker. I tried this with a
permanent marker, which contains solvent. The marker penetrated
the decal paper and ruined the decals.

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Re: some discussion regarding decals from an Ebay seller known as dkmtech

mwbauers
 

Why not use a spray-latex paint?

Costs about the same as a marker and the paint won’t penetrate the decal film.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Dec 13, 2015, at 3:49 AM, Garth Groff sarahsan@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Schuyler,

Do you think a white board "dry erase" marker would be safe? Sanford
Sharpie pens are solvent-based and probably wouldn't work. I wonder if
one couldn't simply spray paint the back of the decal in black? They
paint might dry before penetrating the paper.

This whole idea is something I want to try. Due to failing eyesight,
I've pretty much lost my patience with decals.


Re: Digest Number 9954

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tony,

Thanks for clearing this up. Not all of us have such an extensive library. Do you know from where the later steel 4'-door cars came and if they were purchased within our time frame or in the 1960s? 8400-8499 have post-war Dreadnaught 3/4 ends with the top wale shortened and possibly overhanging roofs. 8600-8699, which Henderson claims were the 1955 rebuilt cars, have earlier Dreadnaught 4/4 ends and overhanging roofs, plus very long sill tabs over the trucks, extending from the ends for probably 8' toward the center of the car. If you have Henderson's book (you don't have to admit it), you can see photos of both cars on page 23.

By the way, to paraphrase the pirate Ned Lynch in SWASHBUCKLER, "I'm not a gentleman, I'm a Scot." :~)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/12/15 9:06 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

   Gentlemen, you evidently have not closely read today's text, from Roger Hinman's book on Merchants Despatch. I quote from page 159: "Not satisfied with MDT's ability to provide them with a sufficient volume of cars to protect their seasonal potato traffic, they [BAR] purchased over 300 cars in the early 1950s right off the [MDT] scrap line. They rebuilt the cars at their Derby Shop and got another 10 years life out of them."
      Point: before the early 1950s, the BAR potatoes were shipped in MDT cars. After that, they were still shipped in MDT wooden reefers, but now owned by and lettered for BAR.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: some discussion regarding decals from an Ebay seller known as dkmtech

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Schuyler,

Do you think a white board "dry erase" marker would be safe? Sanford Sharpie pens are solvent-based and probably wouldn't work. I wonder if one couldn't simply spray paint the back of the decal in black? They paint might dry before penetrating the paper.

This whole idea is something I want to try. Due to failing eyesight, I've pretty much lost my patience with decals.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 12/12/15 7:25 PM, Rod Miller rod@... [STMFC] wrote:
On 12/12/15 7:47 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC]
wrote:

/Boy, do I wish I�d read that trick about using a black marker on the back of
the paper to make white decals readable about three weeks ago!/

//

/Schuyler/
Be sure to use a non-permanent marker. I tried this with a
permanent marker, which contains solvent. The marker penetrated
the decal paper and ruined the decals.


Re: Question re Milwaukee 50' ribbed autocar

rob.mclear3@...
 

Yes Scott thanks I am modelling the rib sided cars and the answer is what I needed mate thanks.   I think I have the 113/213 on hand.

Regards
Rob.


Re: Question re Milwaukee 50' ribbed autocar

Scott H. Haycock
 

Rob,

According to RPC #13, Cars in the series 13000-13499 were 50 ft., lightweight welded cars, w/o ribs. The next series, 13500-13999 were virtually identical, but with ribs. Are these the cars you're modeling

At any rate, the article says most of the rib-side cars rode on Barber stabilized trucks, like Tahoe # 113/213. 



Scott Haycock


 


Hi to all


I am in the process of building a Sunshine kit 41.5 the Milwaukee 50' ribbed autocar but the instructions leave a bit to be desired in the type of truck that was fitted to the car the series is the 36 and 37 built cars numbers in  the 13000 and 13500 series the instruction say they just rode of cast side frame trucks, does anyone out there know what exact truck was used.   I have a large selection of Tahoe trucks and would like to fit the correct ones to this build.   Thanks.


Rob McLear

Aussie.





Question re Milwaukee 50' ribbed autocar

rob.mclear3@...
 

Hi to all


I am in the process of building a Sunshine kit 41.5 the Milwaukee 50' ribbed autocar but the instructions leave a bit to be desired in the type of truck that was fitted to the car the series is the 36 and 37 built cars numbers in  the 13000 and 13500 series the instruction say they just rode of cast side frame trucks, does anyone out there know what exact truck was used.   I have a large selection of Tahoe trucks and would like to fit the correct ones to this build.   Thanks.


Rob McLear

Aussie.



Re: Shipments of food to a small town wholesale grocer.

George Courtney
 

  I left out part of the story where Hugh Wolfe said they would pull a loaded car previously spotted from one door and spot it at another door.  This suggest to me that many of the shipments coming in to the wholesale grocer were split between the kind of goods or food in the car thus being spotted at different parts of the warehouse?   Perhaps not lcl shipments perhaps, but different products from the same supplier?  Also wondering if half a carload of Maine potatoes and half a car load of kitchen towels both from Maine?  Paper product loaded first of course.

George Courtney


Re: potatoes in reefers

Earl Tuson
 

The averages suggest the loads were limited by depth of stacking and total floor space, rather than cubing out, since the
density of potatoes is probably within 10% the density of grains (? - speculating - someone on this list will know ;-)

Aye-yuh, potatoes run ~60#/bu (but, like the shrinking Hershey bar, are today sold in 50# sacks.) Corn is 56#/bu.

Earl Tuson
Still using bushel baskets.


Shipments of food to a small town wholesale grocer.

George Courtney
 

  The population of Appalachia, Virginia in 2000 was 1839.  I would guess in 1950 it wouldn't have been more than twice that or around 3,600.  In his book on the Interstate Railroad which served the coal mines around Appalachia, historian Ed Wolfe quoted his dad who worked for the Interstate about servicing the Virginia Wholesale Grocer.

(Appalachian Coal Hauler- page 81) .

   "We would take 3-4 cars cars out there every night.  Now, this was when Virginia Wholesale was in Appalachia. (prior to 1960.)  We"d take them out there but we couldn"t place "em all.  We'd pull 'em back just below the building and leave them.  Then, the next day they'd call and say that they had two empties.  There's be one on the rear and one the middle.  Have to couple up to all of 'em, come out to the main line, switch the empties out and put the loads back.,,,,,

     "Oh it was a mess! We'd just have to switch them out.  Had to spot them at each door.  If we didn't spot them right, we'd hear from em."


    This suggest to me that a small mining town in the east received at least two to four cars a day at their wholesale grocer.  Now not all was food of course, but much was.  I'm guessing for a town of 3,800 around 600 to a thousand cars a year in the 1950's at the wholesale grocer.  Of course one difference between Appalachia and Park City, might have been that there were many small communties of several hundred people nearby in addition to Appalachia itself.  I did see a photo of a FGE car in the yard in the early 1960's.  I couldn't tell from the photo if it was a reefer or a RBL.


George Courtney 


Re: Digest Number 9954

Tony Thompson
 

The NMRA reprint of the 1/53 ORER lists 1189 reefers. There is a note accompanying the insulated boxcars that says they are restricted for heater service FOR PAPER. These must have been intended for "market pulp" which was shipped wet, and was in danger of freezing to the car.


   Gentlemen, you evidently have not closely read today's text, from Roger Hinman's book on Merchants Despatch. I quote from page 159: "Not satisfied with MDT's ability to provide them with a sufficient volume of cars to protect their seasonal potato traffic, they [BAR] purchased over 300 cars in the early 1950s right off the [MDT] scrap line. They rebuilt the cars at their Derby Shop and got another 10 years life out of them."
      Point: before the early 1950s, the BAR potatoes were shipped in MDT cars. After that, they were still shipped in MDT wooden reefers, but now owned by and lettered for BAR.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: potatoes in reefers

riverman_vt@...
 

    And prior to the deal with PFE I believe you will find that had a deal of
some sort with MDT, whose white reefers with a blue and red stripe along 
the bottom of the sides were seen all over the BAR in the late 1930's and 
early postwar years.

Cordially, Don Valentine


1/53 ORER Re: Digest Number 9954

mwbauers
 

Does anyone know of similar in computer-file digital format ???

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Dec 12, 2015, at 5:24 PM, destorzek wrote:

The NMRA reprint of the 1/53 ORER lists 1189 reefers. There is a note accompanying the insulated boxcars that says they are restricted for heater service FOR PAPER. These must have been intended for "market pulp" which was shipped wet, and was in danger of freezing to the car.

Dennis Storzek


Re: some discussion regarding decals from an Ebay seller known as dkmtech

Rod Miller
 

On 12/12/15 7:47 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] wrote:


/Boy, do I wish I�d read that trick about using a black marker on the back of
the paper to make white decals readable about three weeks ago!/

//

/Schuyler/
Be sure to use a non-permanent marker. I tried this with a
permanent marker, which contains solvent. The marker penetrated
the decal paper and ruined the decals.

--
Rod Miller
Handcraftsman
===
Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2016 Meet is May 5 - 7
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Silver DX tank cars

Clark Propst
 

A friend brought a VHS tape of movies over today in hopes of seeing a number off a string of DX tank cars. The person shooting the original movie was in a locomotive cab passing the tank cars on a siding. Two tracks of DX cars most in the silver...or white paint. Lettering appears to be the same as white on black cars, only black lettering. Most striking was the large D-X in red outlined in black.
 
Anyone have any info, photos of these cars?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: 1955 - What was moving by rail on a branchline to an end of line town? Reefers?

Douglas Harding
 

Allen thanks for sharing those personal observations. Looking at maps again I notice Heber City to the south and recall it being a DRGW town, but more important Heber City is in a valley on the same side of the mountains as Park City. Whereas SLC and Ogden are both on the other side of the mountain and hence more difficult to access.

 

So it looks like reefer traffic would be nil.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Shake N Take 2016

Greg Martin
 

 
Hey Yuze Gize,
 
READ and PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND ON LIST OR TO MIKE BROCK DIRECT.
 
PLEASE CONTATCT ME OFF-LIST AT:  tgregmrtn@...
 
This is the official announcement for the 2016 Prototype Rails SHAKE N TAKE for our 15th annual event and it promises to be a "Bash at the Beach".
 
Space is limited to thirty (30)  members, twenty (22) spots via the Internet and eight (8) at the registration table as you walk in.   
 
There are no provisions for sign up with registration.
 
I expect the spots to fill up quickly.
 
We will take 10 spots for alternates as things can change. There will also be plenty of handouts available for those that wish to follow along and perhaps model this at home as we have done in the past.
 
 
This year our project will be an Western Pacific rebuilt 40-foot boxcar in series 14401-14500. The conversion will be another composite car with resin ends and underframe parts and reproduced by Aaron Gjermundson once again. 
 
The kits are ATLAS/BRANCHLINE AAR 1937 cars for the core and will need to be stripped before the conversion.  
 
I am working on decals now. 
 
The documentation for the prototype comes from help provided by Garth Groff and photos are very rare for this version with Murphy ends and Murphy panel roof, if you have photos you are willing to share ahead of the project I would appreciate the help.  There were an additional series of cars that were rebuilt with Hutchins ends and roofs but not the immediate focus of this build.
 
Again, the goal here is to have you build the kit and return it to Cocoa Beach in 2017 regardless if you are finished or not.   
 
If there is enough appeal we will consider Aftermarket parts that will be a separate sign up sheet.
 
I will post the SIGN UP Sheet and AFTERMARKET Sheet separately once the spots are full on the SHAKE N TAKE list and the STEAM ERA FREIGHT  CAR LIST only.

Thank You,
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

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