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Re: CNJ USRA SS box cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Dave,

 

Railroad Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 17, notes the CNJ cars were rebuilt with Hutchins roofs and 221 cars were in service in July 1951. The volume contains two images of the CNJ USRA SS cars. A builder image of 20029 and an image of CNJ 20370 that has a reweigh date of 5-46. CNJ 20370 has been updated with a replacement Ajax power hand brake but retains the KC brake components and the original roof. The caption notes there were 32 of these CNJ cars by October 1953. Specific car numbers for roof upgrades or the dates of those upgrades are not noted.

 

Lastly, CNJ 20370 has the san-serif CNJ lettering with the Lady Liberty emblem.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:03 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] CNJ USRA SS box cars

 




I am building a Westerfield CNJ USRA 40’ SS box car, and have 2 questions that I hope you folks can help with.  I am building the kit to represent a late ‘40’s or early ‘50’s car.  The kit comes with K brake gear, but I would like to know if they were converted to AB brakes.  Also, would the lettering have ever been changed to the Statue of Liberty scheme?  The kit decals are for earlier schemes.  I have not found any photos of these cars.  Thanks for your help.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

 


Re: Lumber Loads in 1947, 1952, and 1957 - Changes in Types of Cars

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

Greg's post is interesting - who is the cart and who is the horse. Did the
construction industry change from needing/wanting dry lumber to green
or did they accept undried lumber because it was being shipped that
way? Or simply because it was cheaper? I do know that people comment
on the changes in the 'quality' of the wood used in home construction
over the years ...

This also explains why so many of the pics I saw (later on) were clearly
lumber that was not "rough cut" ... just because it has been thru the
planer doesn't mean it has also been kiln-dried.

A how to question - I've often been less than satisfied with the texture
of strip wood ... it just seems 'too rough'. Do you think that using strip
wood for lumber loads in gons and on flat cars "works"?
- Jim

P.S. Clearly the siding at the mill has to have more box cars than flats.


CNJ USRA SS box cars

Dave Pfeiffer
 

I am building a Westerfield CNJ USRA 40’ SS box car, and have 2 questions that I hope you folks can help with.  I am building the kit to represent a late ‘40’s or early ‘50’s car.  The kit comes with K brake gear, but I would like to know if they were converted to AB brakes.  Also, would the lettering have ever been changed to the Statue of Liberty scheme?  The kit decals are for earlier schemes.  I have not found any photos of these cars.  Thanks for your help.

 

Dave Pfeiffer

 


Re: Lumber Loads in 1947, 1952, and 1957 - Changes in Types of Cars L...

Cyril Durrenberger
 

--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 12/21/15, tgregmrtn@aol.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

One thing to consider is that during the earlier days most lumber was dried or seasoned outside for a long period before shipped. So except for the finished lumber the grade of the unfinishedy lumber would not be changed by shipping on a flat car.

Cyril Durrenberger

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lumber Loads in 1947, 1952, and 1957 - Changes in Types of Cars L...
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2015, 11:53 PM


 












Tim,
 
You might think in terms of "finished grades"
and construction grades of
lumber. I mentioned  earlier that "finished grades:
were more of
precision kiln dried mouldings, profiles and siding, but it
included flooring,
stair treads and the like. This would always be shipped in
boxcars regardless.


When you are thinking of building
material grades of lumber most kiln
dried or air dried material was shipped in boxcars, but
un-seasoned or "green"
lumber would ship exposed. The weather would have little or
no impacted on
the grade only appearance. The grade in all cases was
established at the end of
the green chain at the sort and didn't change once the
grader left his stamp.

 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and
a river runs through
it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 12/20/2015 2:43:51 P.M. Pacific
Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
Is
there any information available regarding the DISTANCE
travelled by open cars
vs closed cars with lumber? Most open loads back then
appear to be unwrapped
lumber and I'm guessing many grades of lumber would
not do well if exposed to
rain for long cross-country trips that could easily (and
typically) take 10
days or more. Or is that not true, was rain not
a factor?

Tim
O'Connor









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Re: Request for dates of proto meets, historical society events, other scale modeling-related events

Charlie Duckworth
 

Dave here's the information on the MPHS
Name of event Missouri Pacific Historical Society Annual Meeting
Date and times October 6-9, 2016
Location Jefferson City, Missouri
VERY short description:  Historical presentations, modeling clinics, swap meet and annual meeting 
Cost - I'll know this as hotel arrangements are finalized but one should check the web site below for updates
Contact information marketing@...
web site if any 2016 Jefferson City, MO - On the Ready Track

 


Charlie Duckworth


Re: Small Paint Jars

Rich C
 

Thanks Bill, Great find, Guess I will get an order going.

Rich Christie


On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 6:23 AM, "Rich C rhcdmc@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Bill, Is the jar top the same as the Floquil/Testors jars that fit most airbrushes?

Rich Christie


On Sunday, December 20, 2015 4:27 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
A friend just called asking for the paint jar source I have previously noted. He could not find my post. Just in case others need it here it is: : 1/2 oz Clear Glass Round Packer Bottle 28-400 : Glass Packer Bottles
Below the jars you will see a variety of lids. I purchased the white ones with the plastic liner. I think I ordered 6 dozen jars and seven dozen lids. There is a price break on shipping when you order in quantity.

Excellent service. Quality is very high.

Bill Welch

 





Re: Small Paint Jars

Bill Welch
 

Exactly the same Rich.

Bill Welch


Re: Small Paint Jars

Rich C
 

Bill, Is the jar top the same as the Floquil/Testors jars that fit most airbrushes?

Rich Christie


On Sunday, December 20, 2015 4:27 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
A friend just called asking for the paint jar source I have previously noted. He could not find my post. Just in case others need it here it is: : 1/2 oz Clear Glass Round Packer Bottle 28-400 : Glass Packer Bottles
Below the jars you will see a variety of lids. I purchased the white ones with the plastic liner. I think I ordered 6 dozen jars and seven dozen lids. There is a price break on shipping when you order in quantity.

Excellent service. Quality is very high.

Bill Welch

 



Re: Lumber Loads in 1947, 1952, and 1957 - Changes in Types of Cars L...

Greg Martin
 

Tim,
 
You might think in terms of "finished grades" and construction grades of lumber. I mentioned  earlier that "finished grades: were more of precision kiln dried mouldings, profiles and siding, but it included flooring, stair treads and the like. This would always be shipped in boxcars regardless.

When you are thinking of building material grades of lumber most kiln dried or air dried material was shipped in boxcars, but un-seasoned or "green" lumber would ship exposed. The weather would have little or no impacted on the grade only appearance. The grade in all cases was established at the end of the green chain at the sort and didn't change once the grader left his stamp.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 12/20/2015 2:43:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
Is there any information available regarding the DISTANCE travelled by open cars vs closed cars with lumber? Most open loads back then appear to be unwrapped lumber and I'm guessing many grades of lumber would not do well if exposed to rain for long cross-country trips that could easily (and typically) take 10 days or more. Or is that not true, was rain not
a factor?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Lumber Loads in 1947

Greg Martin
 

Dave,
 
Yes they were.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 12/19/2015 3:11:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
Were the wire or cross pieces pulled down tightly against the top of the stack? If not would friction have been enough to keep the top layers in place against coupling and slack action?

Dave


Re: Heinz Pickle Car

Allan Smith
 

  HJHX 110 is not listed in Tank Car Capacities Tariff 1955 Book.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


James May's Toy Stories

Bill Welch
 

As a bunch of grownups that enjoy toys, I thought some of us would enjoy watching James May's Toy Stories where he goes to great lengths with somewhat outrageous materials to build toys. It is currently running on Monday nights on BBC America.


Okay Mike, off to jail I go.


Bill Welch


Re: Santa Fe Rr-25 questions

rob.mclear3@...
 

Scott I don't think anyone has answered your questions as yet according to the Societies reefer book 33556 was the lead car in the Rr-25 sub class of 99 cars built in 1939 the were rebuilt from Rr-Y, 2,3,4 cars at that time. According to the book 100 cars in the range of 33156 to 33655 had Apex steel running boards and platforms installed.  It doesn't seem to specify which cars.

The cars road on ASF double truss self aligning spring-plankless trucks with Frost snubbers.   According to the book these cars were modernized because of the installation of mechanical icing machines which began in 1949 and this modernization program for the rebuilt reefers was started in 1953.   It started with the Rr-19's and progressed from there.   The door reinforcement that you see in the picture was done before the sliding doors were added to the cars and not all cars received the sliding doors.

According to the tables at the rear of the book the hatch on 33556 would have been an Equipco type B and reversed from the original.   Again according to the table at the rear (Appendix D) it had wood ice platforms surrounding the hatchway, the running board was wooden, no fans installed.   It still retained the USRA underframe with the fishbelly.  According to the table it still retained the ASF trucks it was built with.

Now as for 33628 it is listed in the same number series as 33556 and also sits in the same place as Appendix D with the others.   So all that is listed for the car 33556 applies to it as well.   As for the trucks Richard's truck listing says that the ones appropriate for this car would be Tahoe model works 108/208, Kadee Bettendorf 50T 564/1564, 565/1565 or the Walthers Life Like AAR Spring Plankless.

Hope this helps

Rob McLear
Aussie.






Re: San Francisco Port of Embarcation

John Barry
 

Eric,

Thank you.  Those cars had a full history to get to the point where they carried DUWKS to war.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736




From: "elombard@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 2:46 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: San Francisco Port of Embarcation

 
Hi John, and Everybody:

Seasons Greetings...

I enjoyed going through you blog post, John.
In your STMFC post you asked:
"Also, can anyone provide more info on the SLSF 40' DS auto car?"

Here is an outline for SL-SF 152000-152228 pieced together from diverse sources (and yet another attempt at formatting something for Yahoo). The time of application of the raised rectangular panel roof, Youngstown doors, and Dreadnaught ends might have been either at the 1930 or 1937 rebuilding. My guess for the ends, at least, would be 1930. Any certain information about these rebuildings would be gratefully received. 

1910  300  BLT AFC at Peninsular Plant, Detroit, MI.
ACF Lot 5967, 500 cars:
SL-SF 145000-145299 300
C&EI 1801-2000 200
1910   250  BLT SSC at Hammond, IN.
SL-SF 145300-145549 250
------------------------------

ORER Date
1912(10)  550  In combined SL-SF 145000-145549.
Steel underframe, Andrews trucks
Wood double-sheathed. 
10-5 left-staggered door opening.
Flat, plate steel, auto end doors.
IL IW IH CUFT
40-1 9-0 10-0 3610
1919(12)  540  
1924(6)          End doors indicated in ORER.
1925(10)  533  End doors no longer indicated in ORER.
-------------------------------

1930  230  RBLT to 12-0 side door and RENO to 152000-152229:
Steel underframe, Andrews trucks
Wood double-sheathed. 
Steel ends applied at this time? IL would indicate so.
12-0 left-staggered door opening.
Auto end doors.
Steel side doors?
IL IW IH CUFT
40-6 8-10 10-0 3583
1930(6)    20  XA.
1931(5)  229
193x          Auto loaders installed.
1934(7)  228  XAR.
---------------------------------

1937          Begin RBLT, but still as wood double-sheathed:
IH 10-5, 12-6 side door
Dreadnaught R 4-5 on B-end indicated in equip diag. 
Dreadnaught R 3-5 auto end doors on A-end end in photo.
"Hutchins Dry Lading Riveted" roof indicated in equip diag.
Youngstown steel doors in photo.
IL IW IH CUFT
40-6 8-10 10-5 3748
1937(4)    10  As 152000-152009. XAR, Evans Type "E" auto loaders.
1938(4)    85  As 152000-152084.
1939(1)  226  As 152000-152228.
1945(7)  218
1946(10)  218 97 as 152000-152099, XAR (Type "E" auto loaders).
121 as 152100-152228. XAR (Type "D" auto loaders).
1948(4)  216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders).
119 as 152100-152228. XAR (Type "D" auto loaders).
1949(7)  216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders).
74 as 152100-152228. XME with racks wired up to give
IH 9-1 used for on-line merchandise only.
45 as 152100-152228, XMR (Type "D" auto loaders).
1950(4)  216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders).
74 as 152100-152228. XME with racks wired up to give
IH 9-1 used for on-line merchandise only.
45 as 152100-152228, XMR (Type "D" auto loaders).

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL



Re: Lumber Loads in 1952 - Types of Cars and Mileage Blocks

Dan Sweeney Jr
 

Charles, so glad to see your "byline" back in circulation.  We have missed your always interesting analyses!
Dan Sweeney, Jr.
Alexandria, VA


(erielack) Steamtown Image (A0062) - 1905 coal mine scene

Richard Brennan
 

All

Forwarded from the Erie-Lackawanna list: (below)
.. another super-modellogenic scene... that tells a great story!

New mine cars are arriving by rail;
- 6 mine cars in the steel-frame DL&W gondola, 4 in the all-wood second, 4 more ahead. I suspect the wheel sets are secured to the gon floor down the centerline.
- A makeshift unloading 'ramp' ?? ...with dobbin and cousin standing by waiting for their call to work...
- The crew unloading another gon.. with three guys on the armstrong stiff-legged derrick just finishing lifting out one car...on its side.. waiting for the wheel/axle assemblies to be installed
- A finished car... ready to roll away...

The 'smooth' trackage to the right is notable... as is the freshly graded road right over the top of the tracks.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------


At 02:31 AM 12/21/2015, McKnight, Richard wrote on (erielack):

http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-12-21-15

A0062.jpg (image/jpeg, 5901x4602 892556 bytes, BF: 30.43 ppb)

A0062--Warrior Run, PA--Truesdale Breaker and Power House--General overall view [1905.05.03]


Re: potatoes in reefers

Dave Nelson
 

There is a UP Guide for  potato growers over on eBay right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950-HANDLING-POTATOES-Union-Pacific-Railroad-Manual-Shipper-Grower-Guide-Book-/141857729499? That might be of interest to some here.

 

Don’t know seller.


Re: San Francisco Port of Embarcation

Eric Lombard
 

Hi John, and Everybody:

Seasons Greetings...

I enjoyed going through you blog post, John.
In your STMFC post you asked:
"Also, can anyone provide more info on the SLSF 40' DS auto car?"

Here is an outline for SL-SF 152000-152228 pieced together from diverse sources (and yet another attempt at formatting something for Yahoo). The time of application of the raised rectangular panel roof, Youngstown doors, and Dreadnaught ends might have been either at the 1930 or 1937 rebuilding. My guess for the ends, at least, would be 1930. Any certain information about these rebuildings would be gratefully received. 

1910  300  BLT AFC at Peninsular Plant, Detroit, MI.
ACF Lot 5967, 500 cars:
SL-SF 145000-145299 300
C&EI 1801-2000 200
1910   250  BLT SSC at Hammond, IN.
SL-SF 145300-145549 250
------------------------------

ORER Date
1912(10)  550  In combined SL-SF 145000-145549.
Steel underframe, Andrews trucks
Wood double-sheathed. 
10-5 left-staggered door opening.
Flat, plate steel, auto end doors.
IL IW IH CUFT
40-1 9-0 10-0 3610
1919(12)  540  
1924(6)          End doors indicated in ORER.
1925(10)  533  End doors no longer indicated in ORER.
-------------------------------

1930  230  RBLT to 12-0 side door and RENO to 152000-152229:
Steel underframe, Andrews trucks
Wood double-sheathed. 
Steel ends applied at this time? IL would indicate so.
12-0 left-staggered door opening.
Auto end doors.
Steel side doors?
IL IW IH CUFT
40-6 8-10 10-0 3583
1930(6)    20  XA.
1931(5)  229
193x          Auto loaders installed.
1934(7)  228  XAR.
---------------------------------

1937          Begin RBLT, but still as wood double-sheathed:
IH 10-5, 12-6 side door
Dreadnaught R 4-5 on B-end indicated in equip diag. 
Dreadnaught R 3-5 auto end doors on A-end end in photo.
"Hutchins Dry Lading Riveted" roof indicated in equip diag.
Youngstown steel doors in photo.
IL IW IH CUFT
40-6 8-10 10-5 3748
1937(4)    10  As 152000-152009. XAR, Evans Type "E" auto loaders.
1938(4)    85  As 152000-152084.
1939(1)  226  As 152000-152228.
1945(7)  218
1946(10)  218 97 as 152000-152099, XAR (Type "E" auto loaders).
121 as 152100-152228. XAR (Type "D" auto loaders).
1948(4)  216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders).
119 as 152100-152228. XAR (Type "D" auto loaders).
1949(7)  216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders).
74 as 152100-152228. XME with racks wired up to give
IH 9-1 used for on-line merchandise only.
45 as 152100-152228, XMR (Type "D" auto loaders).
1950(4)  216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders).
74 as 152100-152228. XME with racks wired up to give
IH 9-1 used for on-line merchandise only.
45 as 152100-152228, XMR (Type "D" auto loaders).

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


Re: Heinz Pickle Car

 

Byron Rose and I stood on that spot when we toured the Heinz plant.   We copied that photo from the Heinz archives and it appears in the new pickle and vinegar car book.  The car was used into the 1940s. – Al Westerfield
 

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What a great photo.
Paul Doggett UK
 
 
 
 
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"thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Looking through the group’s archives I don’t think this image has been posted before. It is from the Senator John Heinz History Center.

 

http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/MSP57_B016_I10.jpg

 

Caption: “One of the H.J. Heinz Company's signature railroad cars, circa 1910.”

 

Would a car such as this have lasted into the 1950s?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Heinz Pickle Car

paul.doggett2472@...
 

What a great photo.
Paul Doggett UK




Sent from Samsung mobile

"thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Looking through the group’s archives I don’t think this image has been posted before. It is from the Senator John Heinz History Center.

 

http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/MSP57_B016_I10.jpg

 

Caption: “One of the H.J. Heinz Company's signature railroad cars, circa 1910.”

 

Would a car such as this have lasted into the 1950s?

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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