Re: CNJ USRA SS box cars
Eric Hansmann
Dave,
Railroad Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 17, notes the CNJ cars were rebuilt with Hutchins roofs and 221 cars were in service in July 1951. The volume contains two images of the CNJ USRA SS cars. A builder image of 20029 and an image of CNJ 20370 that has a reweigh date of 5-46. CNJ 20370 has been updated with a replacement Ajax power hand brake but retains the KC brake components and the original roof. The caption notes there were 32 of these CNJ cars by October 1953. Specific car numbers for roof upgrades or the dates of those upgrades are not noted.
Lastly, CNJ 20370 has the san-serif CNJ lettering with the Lady Liberty emblem.
Eric Hansmann El Paso, TX
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:03 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] CNJ USRA SS box cars
I am building a Westerfield CNJ USRA 40’ SS box car, and have 2 questions that I hope you folks can help with. I am building the kit to represent a late ‘40’s or early ‘50’s car. The kit comes with K brake gear, but I would like to know if they were converted to AB brakes. Also, would the lettering have ever been changed to the Statue of Liberty scheme? The kit decals are for earlier schemes. I have not found any photos of these cars. Thanks for your help.
Dave Pfeiffer
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Re: Lumber Loads in 1947, 1952, and 1957 - Changes in Types of Cars
Hi,
Greg's post is interesting - who is the cart and who is the horse. Did the construction industry change from needing/wanting dry lumber to green or did they accept undried lumber because it was being shipped that way? Or simply because it was cheaper? I do know that people comment on the changes in the 'quality' of the wood used in home construction over the years ... This also explains why so many of the pics I saw (later on) were clearly lumber that was not "rough cut" ... just because it has been thru the planer doesn't mean it has also been kiln-dried. A how to question - I've often been less than satisfied with the texture of strip wood ... it just seems 'too rough'. Do you think that using strip wood for lumber loads in gons and on flat cars "works"? - Jim P.S. Clearly the siding at the mill has to have more box cars than flats.
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CNJ USRA SS box cars
Dave Pfeiffer
I am building a Westerfield CNJ USRA 40’ SS box car, and have 2 questions that I hope you folks can help with. I am building the kit to represent a late ‘40’s or early ‘50’s car. The kit comes with K brake gear, but I would like to know if they were converted to AB brakes. Also, would the lettering have ever been changed to the Statue of Liberty scheme? The kit decals are for earlier schemes. I have not found any photos of these cars. Thanks for your help.
Dave Pfeiffer
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Re: Lumber Loads in 1947, 1952, and 1957 - Changes in Types of Cars L...
Cyril Durrenberger
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On Mon, 12/21/15, tgregmrtn@aol.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
One thing to consider is that during the earlier days most lumber was dried or seasoned outside for a long period before shipped. So except for the finished lumber the grade of the unfinishedy lumber would not be changed by shipping on a flat car. Cyril Durrenberger Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lumber Loads in 1947, 1952, and 1957 - Changes in Types of Cars L... To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 21, 2015, 11:53 PM Tim, You might think in terms of "finished grades" and construction grades of lumber. I mentioned earlier that "finished grades: were more of precision kiln dried mouldings, profiles and siding, but it included flooring, stair treads and the like. This would always be shipped in boxcars regardless. When you are thinking of building material grades of lumber most kiln dried or air dried material was shipped in boxcars, but un-seasoned or "green" lumber would ship exposed. The weather would have little or no impacted on the grade only appearance. The grade in all cases was established at the end of the green chain at the sort and didn't change once the grader left his stamp. Greg Martin Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it. Norman Maclean In a message dated 12/20/2015 2:43:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes: Is there any information available regarding the DISTANCE travelled by open cars vs closed cars with lumber? Most open loads back then appear to be unwrapped lumber and I'm guessing many grades of lumber would not do well if exposed to rain for long cross-country trips that could easily (and typically) take 10 days or more. Or is that not true, was rain not a factor? 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Re: Request for dates of proto meets, historical society events, other scale modeling-related events
Dave here's the information on the MPHS Name of event Missouri Pacific Historical Society Annual MeetingDate and times October 6-9, 2016 Location Jefferson City, Missouri VERY short description: Historical presentations, modeling clinics, swap meet and annual meeting Cost - I'll know this as hotel arrangements are finalized but one should check the web site below for updates Contact information marketing@... web site if any 2016 Jefferson City, MO - On the Ready Track
Charlie Duckworth
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Re: Small Paint Jars
Rich C
Thanks Bill, Great find, Guess I will get an order going. Rich Christie
On Tuesday, December 22, 2015 6:23 AM, "Rich C rhcdmc@... [STMFC]" wrote: Bill, Is the jar top the same as the Floquil/Testors jars that fit most airbrushes? Rich Christie On Sunday, December 20, 2015 4:27 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote: A friend just called asking for the paint jar source I have previously noted. He could not find my post. Just in case others need it here it is: : 1/2 oz Clear Glass Round Packer Bottle 28-400 : Glass Packer Bottles Below the jars you will see a variety of lids. I purchased the white ones with the plastic liner. I think I ordered 6 dozen jars and seven dozen lids. There is a price break on shipping when you order in quantity. Excellent service. Quality is very high. Bill Welch
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Re: Small Paint Jars
Bill Welch
Exactly the same Rich.
Bill Welch
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Re: Small Paint Jars
Rich C
Bill, Is the jar top the same as the Floquil/Testors jars that fit most airbrushes? Rich Christie
On Sunday, December 20, 2015 4:27 PM, "fgexbill@... [STMFC]" wrote: A friend just called asking for the paint jar source I have previously noted. He could not find my post. Just in case others need it here it is: : 1/2 oz Clear Glass Round Packer Bottle 28-400 : Glass Packer Bottles Below the jars you will see a variety of lids. I purchased the white ones with the plastic liner. I think I ordered 6 dozen jars and seven dozen lids. There is a price break on shipping when you order in quantity. Excellent service. Quality is very high. Bill Welch
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Re: Lumber Loads in 1947, 1952, and 1957 - Changes in Types of Cars L...
Greg Martin
Tim,
You might think in terms of "finished grades" and construction grades of
lumber. I mentioned earlier that "finished grades: were more of
precision kiln dried mouldings, profiles and siding, but it included flooring,
stair treads and the like. This would always be shipped in boxcars regardless.
When you are thinking of building material grades of lumber most kiln dried or air dried material was shipped in boxcars, but un-seasoned or "green" lumber would ship exposed. The weather would have little or no impacted on the grade only appearance. The grade in all cases was established at the end of the green chain at the sort and didn't change once the grader left his stamp. Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through
it. Norman Maclean
In a message dated 12/20/2015 2:43:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
STMFC@... writes:
Is there any information available regarding the DISTANCE travelled by open cars vs closed cars with lumber? Most open loads back then appear to be unwrapped lumber and I'm guessing many grades of lumber would not do well if exposed to rain for long cross-country trips that could easily (and typically) take 10 days or more. Or is that not true, was rain not
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Re: Lumber Loads in 1947
Greg Martin
Dave,
Yes they were.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through
it. Norman Maclean
In a message dated 12/19/2015 3:11:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
STMFC@... writes:
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Re: Heinz Pickle Car
Allan Smith
HJHX 110 is not listed in Tank Car Capacities Tariff 1955 Book. Al Smith Sonora CA
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James May's Toy Stories
Bill Welch
As a bunch of grownups that enjoy toys, I thought some of us would enjoy watching James May's Toy Stories where he goes to great lengths with somewhat outrageous materials to build toys. It is currently running on Monday nights on BBC America. Okay Mike, off to jail I go. Bill Welch
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Re: Santa Fe Rr-25 questions
rob.mclear3@...
Scott I don't think anyone has answered your questions as yet according to the Societies reefer book 33556 was the lead car in the Rr-25 sub class of 99 cars built in 1939 the were rebuilt from Rr-Y, 2,3,4 cars at that time. According to the book 100 cars in the range of 33156 to 33655 had Apex steel running boards and platforms installed. It doesn't seem to specify which cars.
The cars road on ASF double truss self aligning spring-plankless trucks with Frost snubbers. According to the book these cars were modernized because of the installation of mechanical icing machines which began in 1949 and this modernization program for the rebuilt reefers was started in 1953. It started with the Rr-19's and progressed from there. The door reinforcement that you see in the picture was done before the sliding doors were added to the cars and not all cars received the sliding doors. According to the tables at the rear of the book the hatch on 33556 would have been an Equipco type B and reversed from the original. Again according to the table at the rear (Appendix D) it had wood ice platforms surrounding the hatchway, the running board was wooden, no fans installed. It still retained the USRA underframe with the fishbelly. According to the table it still retained the ASF trucks it was built with. Now as for 33628 it is listed in the same number series as 33556 and also sits in the same place as Appendix D with the others. So all that is listed for the car 33556 applies to it as well. As for the trucks Richard's truck listing says that the ones appropriate for this car would be Tahoe model works 108/208, Kadee Bettendorf 50T 564/1564, 565/1565 or the Walthers Life Like AAR Spring Plankless. Hope this helps Rob McLear Aussie.
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Re: San Francisco Port of Embarcation
John Barry
Eric, Thank you. Those cars had a full history to get to the point where they carried DUWKS to war. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
From: "elombard@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 2:46 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: San Francisco Port of Embarcation Hi John, and Everybody: Seasons Greetings... I enjoyed going through you blog post, John. In your STMFC post you asked: "Also, can anyone provide more info on the SLSF 40' DS auto car?" Here is an outline for SL-SF 152000-152228 pieced together from diverse sources (and yet another attempt at formatting something for Yahoo). The time of application of the raised rectangular panel roof, Youngstown doors, and Dreadnaught ends might have been either at the 1930 or 1937 rebuilding. My guess for the ends, at least, would be 1930. Any certain information about these rebuildings would be gratefully received. 1910 300 BLT AFC at Peninsular Plant, Detroit, MI. ACF Lot 5967, 500 cars: SL-SF 145000-145299 300 C&EI 1801-2000 200 1910 250 BLT SSC at Hammond, IN. SL-SF 145300-145549 250 ------------------------------ ORER Date 1912(10) 550 In combined SL-SF 145000-145549. Steel underframe, Andrews trucks Wood double-sheathed. 10-5 left-staggered door opening. Flat, plate steel, auto end doors. IL IW IH CUFT 40-1 9-0 10-0 3610 1919(12) 540 1924(6) End doors indicated in ORER. 1925(10) 533 End doors no longer indicated in ORER. ------------------------------- 1930 230 RBLT to 12-0 side door and RENO to 152000-152229: Steel underframe, Andrews trucks Wood double-sheathed. Steel ends applied at this time? IL would indicate so. 12-0 left-staggered door opening. Auto end doors. Steel side doors? IL IW IH CUFT 40-6 8-10 10-0 3583 1930(6) 20 XA. 1931(5) 229 193x Auto loaders installed. 1934(7) 228 XAR. --------------------------------- 1937 Begin RBLT, but still as wood double-sheathed: IH 10-5, 12-6 side door Dreadnaught R 4-5 on B-end indicated in equip diag. Dreadnaught R 3-5 auto end doors on A-end end in photo. "Hutchins Dry Lading Riveted" roof indicated in equip diag. Youngstown steel doors in photo. IL IW IH CUFT 40-6 8-10 10-5 3748 1937(4) 10 As 152000-152009. XAR, Evans Type "E" auto loaders. 1938(4) 85 As 152000-152084. 1939(1) 226 As 152000-152228. 1945(7) 218 1946(10) 218 97 as 152000-152099, XAR (Type "E" auto loaders). 121 as 152100-152228. XAR (Type "D" auto loaders). 1948(4) 216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders). 119 as 152100-152228. XAR (Type "D" auto loaders). 1949(7) 216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders). 74 as 152100-152228. XME with racks wired up to give IH 9-1 used for on-line merchandise only. 45 as 152100-152228, XMR (Type "D" auto loaders). 1950(4) 216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders). 74 as 152100-152228. XME with racks wired up to give IH 9-1 used for on-line merchandise only. 45 as 152100-152228, XMR (Type "D" auto loaders). Eric Lombard Homewood, IL
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Re: Lumber Loads in 1952 - Types of Cars and Mileage Blocks
Dan Sweeney Jr
Charles, so glad to see your "byline" back in circulation. We have missed your always interesting analyses!
Dan Sweeney, Jr. Alexandria, VA
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(erielack) Steamtown Image (A0062) - 1905 coal mine scene
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Forwarded from the Erie-Lackawanna list: (below) .. another super-modellogenic scene... that tells a great story! New mine cars are arriving by rail; - 6 mine cars in the steel-frame DL&W gondola, 4 in the all-wood second, 4 more ahead. I suspect the wheel sets are secured to the gon floor down the centerline. - A makeshift unloading 'ramp' ?? ...with dobbin and cousin standing by waiting for their call to work... - The crew unloading another gon.. with three guys on the armstrong stiff-legged derrick just finishing lifting out one car...on its side.. waiting for the wheel/axle assemblies to be installed - A finished car... ready to roll away... The 'smooth' trackage to the right is notable... as is the freshly graded road right over the top of the tracks. -------------------- Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA -------------------- At 02:31 AM 12/21/2015, McKnight, Richard wrote on (erielack):
http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-12-21-15
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Re: potatoes in reefers
Dave Nelson
There is a UP Guide for potato growers over on eBay right now: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950-HANDLING-POTATOES-Union-Pacific-Railroad-Manual-Shipper-Grower-Guide-Book-/141857729499? That might be of interest to some here.
Don’t know seller.
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Re: San Francisco Port of Embarcation
Hi John, and Everybody:
Seasons Greetings... I enjoyed going through you blog post, John. In your STMFC post you asked: "Also, can anyone provide more info on the SLSF 40' DS auto car?" Here is an outline for SL-SF 152000-152228 pieced together from diverse sources (and yet another attempt at formatting something for Yahoo). The time of application of the raised rectangular panel roof, Youngstown doors, and Dreadnaught ends might have been either at the 1930 or 1937 rebuilding. My guess for the ends, at least, would be 1930. Any certain information about these rebuildings would be gratefully received. 1910 300 BLT AFC at Peninsular Plant, Detroit, MI. ACF Lot 5967, 500 cars: SL-SF 145000-145299 300 C&EI 1801-2000 200 1910 250 BLT SSC at Hammond, IN. SL-SF 145300-145549 250 ------------------------------ ORER Date 1912(10) 550 In combined SL-SF 145000-145549. Steel underframe, Andrews trucks Wood double-sheathed. 10-5 left-staggered door opening. Flat, plate steel, auto end doors. IL IW IH CUFT 40-1 9-0 10-0 3610 1919(12) 540 1924(6) End doors indicated in ORER. 1925(10) 533 End doors no longer indicated in ORER. ------------------------------- 1930 230 RBLT to 12-0 side door and RENO to 152000-152229: Steel underframe, Andrews trucks Wood double-sheathed. Steel ends applied at this time? IL would indicate so. 12-0 left-staggered door opening. Auto end doors. Steel side doors? IL IW IH CUFT 40-6 8-10 10-0 3583 1930(6) 20 XA. 1931(5) 229 193x Auto loaders installed. 1934(7) 228 XAR. --------------------------------- 1937 Begin RBLT, but still as wood double-sheathed: IH 10-5, 12-6 side door Dreadnaught R 4-5 on B-end indicated in equip diag. Dreadnaught R 3-5 auto end doors on A-end end in photo. "Hutchins Dry Lading Riveted" roof indicated in equip diag. Youngstown steel doors in photo. IL IW IH CUFT 40-6 8-10 10-5 3748 1937(4) 10 As 152000-152009. XAR, Evans Type "E" auto loaders. 1938(4) 85 As 152000-152084. 1939(1) 226 As 152000-152228. 1945(7) 218 1946(10) 218 97 as 152000-152099, XAR (Type "E" auto loaders). 121 as 152100-152228. XAR (Type "D" auto loaders). 1948(4) 216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders). 119 as 152100-152228. XAR (Type "D" auto loaders). 1949(7) 216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders). 74 as 152100-152228. XME with racks wired up to give IH 9-1 used for on-line merchandise only. 45 as 152100-152228, XMR (Type "D" auto loaders). 1950(4) 216 97 as 152000-152099, XMR (Type "E" auto loaders). 74 as 152100-152228. XME with racks wired up to give IH 9-1 used for on-line merchandise only. 45 as 152100-152228, XMR (Type "D" auto loaders). Eric Lombard Homewood, IL
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Re: Heinz Pickle Car
Byron Rose and I stood on that spot when we toured the Heinz
plant. We copied that photo from the Heinz archives and it appears
in the new pickle and vinegar car book. The car was used into the 1940s. –
Al Westerfield
From: mailto:STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 12:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Heinz Pickle Car
What a great photo.
Paul Doggett UK
Sent from Samsung
mobile "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote: Looking through the group’s archives I don’t think this image has been posted before. It is from the Senator John Heinz History Center.
http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/MSP57_B016_I10.jpg
Caption: “One of the H.J. Heinz Company's signature railroad cars, circa 1910.”
Would a car such as this have lasted into the 1950s?
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: Heinz Pickle Car
paul.doggett2472@...
What a great photo. Paul Doggett UK Sent from Samsung mobile "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
Looking through the group’s archives I don’t think this image has been posted before. It is from the Senator John Heinz History Center.
http://www.heinzhistorycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/MSP57_B016_I10.jpg
Caption: “One of the H.J. Heinz Company's signature railroad cars, circa 1910.”
Would a car such as this have lasted into the 1950s?
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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