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Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

Ian Cranstone
 

On 2015-12-23, at 1:21 PM, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
I have two photos of Christmas Trees on flat cars. One taken in Ontario in 1926 shows a flat car #651498 (can’t make out a name) being piled high with Christmas Trees. The other is of a DM&? flatcar in downtown Des Moines IA being unloaded of Christmas Trees in 1935. Both cars have tall sticks in the stake pockets, the trees are bundled together in groups of 6-10 trees and they stacked like cordwood across the car. Interesting photos.

I'd put money down that flat #651498 was a Canadian National car -- these were 41' flats originally built for the Canadian Northern in 1918/19.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
Re: Optivisor Binocular Magnifier

Douglas Harding
 

Dale I use MagEyes http://www.mageyes.com/

There are interchangeable lens with different magnifications available.

But what I like best is when I have them on, I am not blinded by a shield over the top of my eyes. With MagEyes I can look up over the magnification to see. I can read instructions, grab something out of the tool box or off the shelf, or even talk to my wife should she pop into my work room. And I don’t have to take off or move the magnifyers.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Optivisor Binocular Magnifier

dale florence <dwwesley@...>
 

I am looking to purchase a Magnifier, but not sure what to get  They seemed to be priced between $10 and $60 dollar Magnification seems to run between 1 1/2 to about 2 3/4  I need suggestions as to what magnification I should get, and the price range? Any particular brand?

Thanks,

Dale Florence 
Re: 70-ton coal gondolas

caboose9792@...
 

 
In a message dated 12/21/2015 8:31:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
That railroad will need a rotary dumper and barge loading facility?
 
Al Kresse
If they were loading coal into C&IW gons shouldn't the dumpers at the com-ed plants up river outside of Chicago? Anyhow for those wanting to model the ops accurately the C&IM did lease C&IW HOPPERS at times, 85 cars in April 1945 is an example.
 
Mark Rickert
Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

Tony Thompson
 

Chuck Peck wrote:

 
Tony, I feel I understand the principal of interchange and that cars did not always go directly
home. Not always. If there was a local need, any car could be used in any direction.  On the other hand,
I think every car had a reason to be where it was at any time. 

    Of course there was a reason. It was (and is) called a waybill. And you are right, local need was the point.

The railroads were sober, thoughtful,
money making companies and did not let their assets run helter-skelter across the country in
an entirely disorganized fashion.  Towards the end of making money for themselves, each railroad
would prefer to load their own cars when they were available rather than whatever else was handy.

     You need to review the Car Service Rules. Rule 1 was to load foreign cars in preference to home road cars. The entire point of these Rules was to AVOID moving cars empty more than absolutely necessary, and the way to do that was to load those foreign cars, whatever their ownership or point of origin, to carry the next load. You miss the point that the REAL way to make money was to minimize empty car mileage.

By fiat, certain classes of cars became free-running because of wartime or other causes. Railbox was
intended, I believe, to be free-running.  But business as usual, empties were supposed to be headed
towards home and home road cars loaded first.  

      Nope. As I said, you need to take a look at the Car Service Rules. These were adopted by mutual consent of the railroads and administered by the AAR. Cars were not free-running by fiat, they were free-rinnng because they were versatile enough to carry a variety of loads. A car with auto parts racks, no, not free running. But a plain 40-foot box car (in our era), yes, and likewise most gondolas and flat cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: CE&I Box Cars

Rich C
 

This car is really only a stand in. The prototypes #1-5 have Allied Full Cushion trucks (Athearn makes a nice version). Another issue are the ends, they are similar to a Pullman PS-0. Personally I would buy it for it's colorful appearance and just add the Allied trucks and passenger hardware.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:54 PM, "no1detail@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Ten years later ,would it still be in passenger service?

Steve
Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

Charles Peck
 

Tony, I feel I understand the principal of interchange and that cars did not always go directly
home. Not always. If there was a local need, any car could be used in any direction.  On the other hand,
I think every car had a reason to be where it was at any time.  The railroads were sober, thoughtful,
money making companies and did not let their assets run helter-skelter across the country in
an entirely disorganized fashion.  Towards the end of making money for themselves, each railroad
would prefer to load their own cars when they were available rather than whatever else was handy.
By fiat, certain classes of cars became free-running because of wartime or other causes. Railbox was
intended, I believe, to be free-running.  But business as usual, empties were supposed to be headed
towards home and home road cars loaded first.  When L&N agents had no L&N car available, then
they grabbed that PRR or NP car to satisfy their shipper.  That other roads car was not first choice
nor was it all entirely random.  Thus, I don't think "free-running" was the answer to every car 
assignment selection. 
Chuck Peck in Florida

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
  

   They don't need an excuse; if they are free-running cars, they might easily go any direction whatever.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

Tony Thompson
 


I cannot remember what roads boxcars brought trees to Louisville but if the idea of trees from
afar holds water, then that is an excuse for NYC boxes in New Orleans and ACL boxes in Detroit. 

   They don't need an excuse; if they are free-running cars, they might easily go any direction whatever.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

riverman_vt@...
 

Chuck and all, 

    Christmas trees were still being shipped by rail from northern Vermont well into the 1940's but had gone
to trucks by the mid-1950s. These were nearly all balsam fir and spruce trees but in bundles of five unless
they were trees larger than the average home cold handle. They were loaded much as you suggest with
8 ft. high side stakes used with both flat cars and gons. Have photos of several such car loads right here
in Morrisville.

Happy Holidays to all from those of us at New England Rail Service, Inc.

Don Valentine
Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

Charles Peck
 

Growing up in Louisville KY, I remember the most popular Christmas trees were pines.
White pine, long leaf pine, and the less expensive Scotch Pine. That being the one we 
usually had at home.  Living in other places over the years, the trees offered seemed to change.
I don't know if it was fashion that changed or if people in different places just preferred trees
that differed from what they saw everyday. Now I live in Florida just surrounded by pine
trees and no tree lot in town seems to sell anything except fir trees from North Carolina
or places further away. 
If it is true that people prefer to use non-local trees, species exotic to their region, then
trees by rail would seem to have been common everywhere.  I can remember seeing 
trees offered wholesale straight from boxcars.  Churches, scout troops, civic clubs would buy a 
truckload or two for retail here and there.  My grandfather bought from someone who
set up right outside the RR shops and sold to the men getting off work. 
I cannot remember what roads boxcars brought trees to Louisville but if the idea of trees from
afar holds water, then that is an excuse for NYC boxes in New Orleans and ACL boxes in Detroit. 
Who brought Colorado trees to Phoenix, I wonder?
Chuck Peck expecting a white sandy Christmas in Florida


On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 7:08 PM, lajrmdlr@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Back in 60s-80s Santa Fe used to deliver Xmas trees in boxcars to Fullerton CA.
Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

Andy Jackson
 

Back in 60s-80s Santa Fe used to deliver Xmas trees in boxcars to Fullerton CA.
Re: NYC covered hopper decals

Rick Jesionowski
 

Scott,

What kind of NYC Covered Hopper Decals are you looking for, Mark Vaughn has some for the Enterprise Covered Hoppers and 2600 CF Airslides.

Rick Jesionowski
Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

Cyril Durrenberger
 

Likely DM&N -Duluth, Missabe & Northern

Cyril Durrenberger
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On Wed, 12/23/15, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2015, 12:21 PM


 









I have two photos of Christmas
Trees on flat cars. One taken in Ontario in 1926 shows a
flat car #651498 (can’t make out a name) being piled high
with Christmas Trees. The other is of a DM&? flatcar in
downtown Des Moines IA being unloaded of Christmas Trees in
1935. Both cars have tall sticks in the stake pockets, the
trees are bundled together in groups of 6-10 trees and they
stacked like cordwood across the car. Interesting
photos.  Doug Hardingwww.iowacentralrr.org
 









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Re: NYC covered hopper decals

Eric Hansmann
 

Here's an update on the decal question from earlier.

The O scale decals for NYC USRA hoppers are white letters intended for the
later mineral brown painted cars.
http://resincarworks.com/decals_parts.htm

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:28 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] NYC covered hopper decals

Scott,

You are incorrect. Those decals are not for covered hoppers but for USRA
hoppers. This is clearly noted in the product description.

What I am uncertain of is the letter color. I believe it is white but will
double check and make the appropriate correction to the web site.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy




-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] NYC covered hopper decals

I note that Resin Car Works is offering O-scale decals for NYC covered
hoppers with black lettering, but I don't recall any one doing HO
lettering for the same. Any ideas? I have a couple cars I'd like to
finish.

http://www.resincarworks.com/images/NYC005_USRA_hm_Oscale.jpg

Scott Chatfield
Re: CE&I Box Cars

no1detail@...
 

Ten years later ,would it still be in passenger service?

Steve
Re: CE&I Box Cars

SUVCWORR@...
 

Note the ARA classification in the lower right  BX.  This is a passenger express service boxcar.  If I recall correctly there were 5 of these cars built.  If you are not running passenger mail/express trains or express cars in passenger trains, it will be out of place.  

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: no1detail@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2015 5:34 pm
Subject: [STMFC] CE&I Box Cars



Help please, I just looked at a photo of an upcoming Intermountain Box car in the CE&I yellow paint scheme.  This looks beautiful and should look even better weathered.  I know little to nothing about the CE&I but would like to build this car.  I model 1955 would this car still be around in this paint.  Intermountain has a builder date of 1945.  Any information about this car, photos or books that may have photos.

Thank you for your efforts.
Steven E. Cerka
Re: xmas trees by rail

Douglas Harding
 

CE&I Box Cars

no1detail@...
 

Help please, I just looked at a photo of an upcoming Intermountain Box car in the CE&I yellow paint scheme.  This looks beautiful and should look even better weathered.  I know little to nothing about the CE&I but would like to build this car.  I model 1955 would this car still be around in this paint.  Intermountain has a builder date of 1945.  Any information about this car, photos or books that may have photos.

Thank you for your efforts.
Steven E. Cerka
Re: NYC covered hopper decals

Eric Hansmann
 

Scott,

You are incorrect. Those decals are not for covered hoppers but for USRA
hoppers. This is clearly noted in the product description.

What I am uncertain of is the letter color. I believe it is white but will
double check and make the appropriate correction to the web site.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] NYC covered hopper decals

I note that Resin Car Works is offering O-scale decals for NYC covered
hoppers with black lettering, but I don't recall any one doing HO
lettering for the same. Any ideas? I have a couple cars I'd like to
finish.

http://www.resincarworks.com/images/NYC005_USRA_hm_Oscale.jpg

Scott Chatfield
Re: Xmas Trees by Rail?

Douglas Harding
 

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