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Re: was: RE: Southern Railway nomenclature

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Ben Lee on the Southern Railway might be a good bet. He is a retired Southern engineer and was friends with Shelby Lowe. He has answered many operating questions on that list. You can join and check the archives.

He explained to me the history of pulpwood racks and other late transition era freight cars on the Southern, so I mention him on list. But he's not a modeler, so you'll have to catch him on another list.

Dave

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On Dec 29, 2015, at 12:27 AM, jcdworkingonthenp@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

    What you are running into in your search regarding the nomenclature in the way SR railroad's cars were handled in groups is, what a lot of folks who have gotten together veterans panels for their historical society conventions have already found. 

     If a person completes high school and then hires on to the rails at age 18, in 1955, today they would be 78 (age 18 + 60 years).

    Railroading is a tough life. I am not a railroad vet however have been fortunate to know a few and been more fortunate to befriend some. I have a great amount of respect for these folks. For many, any promotion or move up the ladder meant moving to a new city/state. Tough on wives, tough hours already on marriages, tough on kids who never saw dad half the time anyway. 

For a railroader, age 78 is pretty old.                     However, I wish you luck.           Jim Dick - St. Paul  

was: RE: Southern Railway nomenclature

np328
 

    What you are running into in your search regarding the nomenclature in the way SR railroad's cars were handled in groups is, what a lot of folks who have gotten together veterans panels for their historical society conventions have already found. 

     If a person completes high school and then hires on to the rails at age 18, in 1955, today they would be 78 (age 18 + 60 years).

    Railroading is a tough life. I am not a railroad vet however have been fortunate to know a few and been more fortunate to befriend some. I have a great amount of respect for these folks. For many, any promotion or move up the ladder meant moving to a new city/state. Tough on wives, tough hours already on marriages, tough on kids who never saw dad half the time anyway. 

For a railroader, age 78 is pretty old.                     However, I wish you luck.           Jim Dick - St. Paul  

Re: Southern Railway nomenclature

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Scott, could you contact me off-list?

Schuyler

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Schuyler Larrabee asked:

> Stretching the topic here a little, though I am asking about FREIGHT
trains . . . ca. 1955. What were Southern Railway local trains called?
DL&W and ERIE local trains were referred to as "Drills," "Roustabouts,"
"Turns" when appropriate, "Runs," and probably a few others. What was the
terminology for the Southern trains. And ditto for a train that might have
run through to a yard on another railroad, if such a train happened.


My time at the Southern came in the '80s, but such trains were called "jobs"
(didn't go far from the originating point), "turns" (went further, often
between yards), and "transfers" (to other roads). That said, the "Center
Road Job" was a turn from Inman Yard in Atlanta to the former CofG Industry
Yard south of town, so there were no firm rules. I gather some of the names
had been around for years.

Hopefully someone, ahem, older can add to or refute my answer for circa
1955.

Scott Chatfield


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Re: Southern Railway nomenclature

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Scott, helpful and appreciated. But as Scott said, if anyone can
illuminate differences between the 80's and the mid-50s, please do . . .

Schuyler


Schuyler Larrabee asked:

> Stretching the topic here a little, though I am asking about FREIGHT
trains . . . ca. 1955. What were Southern Railway local trains called?
DL&W and ERIE local trains were referred to as "Drills," "Roustabouts,"
"Turns" when appropriate, "Runs," and probably a few others. What was the
terminology for the Southern trains. And ditto for a train that might have
run through to a yard on another railroad, if such a train happened.


My time at the Southern came in the '80s, but such trains were called "jobs"
(didn't go far from the originating point), "turns" (went further, often
between yards), and "transfers" (to other roads). That said, the "Center
Road Job" was a turn from Inman Yard in Atlanta to the former CofG Industry
Yard south of town, so there were no firm rules. I gather some of the names
had been around for years.

Hopefully someone, ahem, older can add to or refute my answer for circa
1955.

Scott Chatfield


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Re: Southern Railway nomenclature

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:

Stretching the topic here a little, though I am asking about FREIGHT
trains . . . ca. 1955. What were Southern Railway local trains called? DL&W and ERIE local trains were referred to as "Drills," "Roustabouts," "Turns" when appropriate, "Runs," and probably a few others. What was the terminology for the Southern trains. And ditto for a train that might have run through to a yard on another railroad, if such a train happened.


My time at the Southern came in the '80s, but such trains were called "jobs" (didn't go far from the originating point), "turns" (went further, often between yards), and "transfers" (to other roads). That said, the "Center Road Job" was a turn from Inman Yard in Atlanta to the former CofG Industry Yard south of town, so there were no firm rules. I gather some of the names had been around for years.

Hopefully someone, ahem, older can add to or refute my answer for circa 1955.

Scott Chatfield

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

al_brown03
 

Apologies: I was sloppy. Of the cars shown in the RP CYC article, one belongs to lot 563-B: NYC S-95499 (later NYC 123499), shown on pp 55-56. The ends are 4/4 Dreadnaught. This lot comprised NYC 94500-95499 (later NYC 122500-123499).

As Tim says, according to the article three lots had these ends: 559-B, 560-B, and 563-B.

AL B.

Re: Pacific Northwest Lumber Traffic

Tim O'Connor
 


Going back over old emails...

I just noticed this comment about 100 car miles per day. That's actually
100% greater than the 1950's average and considerably greater than the average
daily miles per car day for the UP. The Cotton Belt held the title for the
highest miles per car day throughout the 1950's with an average of over 90
miles per car day. These numbers have only improved slightly since the 1920's
for cars in general circulation (not in dedicated or unit train service).

Tim O'Connor

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Jeff,
For the total lumber hauled by a railroad, you need to total all four columns. So in 1942, UP hauled 3,492,636 tons of lumber in 108,520 carloads. I can not find anything suggesting that there are zeros missing in these totals. While 300 loads a day may not seem like a lot, remember that in this era most freight cars only traveled about 100 miles per day, so there were likely several thousand carloads of
lumber on the UP on any given day. UP's total carloads in 1942 was 1.4M.
Dave Evans

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill I think there were at least 3 lot numbers with dreadnaught ends. I have
some info from Jeff English:

USRA-clone all-steel box car 8'7" IH, 4-4 Dreadnaught ends, Youngstown doors
Lot 559-B, built by ACF St Louis plant Lot 494 in 1927 as CCC&StL 49000-49999
and renumbered after 1936 to NYC 121000 - 121999

I'll send you a photo of NYC 123500 from a different NYC lot number. Not the
same car because it has 4/5 ends... :-(

Tim O'Connor

It looks like part of my e-mail disappeared into God knows where. The model is a Broadway Limited NYC early steel boxcar. The car that I have is numbered 122766 with a lot number of 563B. This car has the dreadnaught end. I have found numerous photos of the car with the earlier steel end but none of this particular arrangement. I would like a photo of this particular series in order to check the details before finishing the car.

Bill Pardie

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

al_brown03
 

There are several photos of the Dreadnaught-end versions in RP CYC 21, pp 50-56.

Hth,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Ben And Others:

It looks like part of my e-mail disappeared into God knows where.  The model is a Broadway Limited NYC early steel boxcar.  The car that I have is 
numbered 122766 with a lot number of 563B.  This car has the dreadnaught end.  I have found numerous photos of the car with the earlier steel end
but none of this particular arrangement.  I would like a photo of this particular series in order to check the details before finishing the car.

Apoogies and thanks:

Bill Pardie

On Dec 28, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:

 


Bill Pardie asked:
"I hope that everyone had a great holiday. I learned long ago not to complete a model without a photo op the prototype.
I have a Desp;ite the running board problems this is a pretty good model. I have not, however, been able to find a prototype
photo of a car in this series. This would be in the 1946 to 1954 time frame.

Any hellp would be appreciated."

Bill, your e-mail is missing an important piece of information - exactly what are you looking for?

Ben Hom


Prototype Rails Clinic Schedule rev.6

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Folks,

 

                I know several people have been asking about the list of Clinics for Prototype Rails 2016.   The Rev6 schedule (which is not necessarily final) is available in the STMFC Files area at:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/files/PR%2716%20rev06.pdf

 

                It should also appear on the Prototype Rails website as soon as the webmaster can get to it.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

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Re: Lumber Shipments in 1952 - Through or Interchange Traffic

 

Greg
Santa Fe always had a controlling interest in the Los Angeles Junction RY until1972 when LAJ became wholly owned by them. My LAJ  research has shown that cars from just about every RR from Mexico to Canada have shown up on the LAJ.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA

Answering my own question . . . rubber air hoses and painting

Schuyler Larrabee
 

A while ago, I asked for advice about whether I should leave my rubber air hoses on some brass models I intended to paint with Scalecoat 1, and then bake.  The only response said to remove the rubber parts prior to painting.

 

Well I am lazy, maybe.  Only one of the six air hoses came off without a struggle, so I decided to leave them on.  I figured that if they use rubber to seal things that contain solvents, and since they were likely injected at a higher temperature than I planned to use for baking the models, either I’d be OK or have a mess to clean up.

 

Results:  Painted the models three times (primer, finish, touch up), baked them all three times, no ill effects whatsoever.

 

Schuyler

 

Re: SEEKING PHOTO HELP

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Pardie asked:
"I hope that everyone had a great holiday. I learned long ago not to complete a model without a photo op the prototype.
I have a Desp;ite the running board problems this is a pretty good model. I have not, however, been able to find a prototype
photo of a car in this series. This would be in the 1946 to 1954 time frame.

Any hellp would be appreciated."

Bill, your e-mail is missing an important piece of information - exactly what are you looking for?


Ben Hom

SEEKING PHOTO HELP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I hope that everyone had a great holiday. I learned long ago not to complete a model without a photo op the prototype.
I have a Desp;ite the running board problems this is a pretty good model. I have not, however, been able to find a prototype
photo of a car in this series. This would be in the 1946 to 1954 time frame.

Any hellp would be appreciated.:

Bill

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Re: Early 29th century freight cars . . .

Jon Miller
 

On 12/28/2015 10:04 AM, 'Steve Sandifer' steve.sandifer@... [STMFC] wrote:
Did they do all of this in the 29th century?

    I've deleted it but there was something earlier about an engine built in 2009 that I think was meant to be 1909.  That was a good read (grin)!

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Early 29th century freight cars . . .

James SANDIFER
 

Did they do all of this in the 29th century?

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

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On 12/28/2015 8:50 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] wrote:

overhead yard photo with, among other things, a lumber load off to the right, a reefer down in front, a camelback locomotive, and a three-way stub switch!


    I like the guy painting? the second story a little above and to the left of the horse.  Good detail for layout.


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For me time stopped in 1941
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Member SFRH&MS

Re: Early 29th century freight cars . . .

Jon Miller
 

On 12/28/2015 8:50 AM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] wrote:
overhead yard photo with, among other things, a lumber load off to the right, a reefer down in front, a camelback locomotive, and a three-way stub switch!

    I like the guy painting? the second story a little above and to the left of the horse.  Good detail for layout.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS