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Re: FGE reefer 4-16-1948

Bill Welch
 

I have posted queries about the origins of these cars on this list 2-3 time hoping one of the USRA experts might respond since given the 5/5/5 Murphy ends, fishbelly underframe, and Andrews trucks I believe their origins derive from the USRA 40-ton DS boxcar. I speculate that FGE got their hands on a group of the USRA cars at a good price and rebuilt them into reefers.

There were 140 cars in this group. I have a FGE re-builders company photo (8-1937 Indiana Harbor) and an in-service photo is in the Larry Kline-Ted Culotta NMRA post war freight car fleet book. The cars have a Hutchins or Hutchins type roof and the steel sheathing consists of three riveted horizontal panels on each side of the doors. A similar sheathing arrangement was used on 100 ex-PRR R7 reefers rebuilt by FGE about the same time. Here is a link to a photo of one of these:


FGE used horizontal sheathing on the 55 new cars they built before WWII, fifty of which carried FDEX reporting marks designating they had FGE's permanent collapsible decking system.

Bill Welch


Tank car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

Yes, the idea is to market two resin kits, one of which will make a Tk-G or Tk-H, and the other to make either a Tk-I or Tk-J. Each kit will have a tank with appropriate details and two domes. I intend to do the later versions of the Tk-G and -H, with center tank anchors, rather than as-delivered with head blocks and diagonal tank hold-down straps.

	This from sometime in 2013/4 and I know I have most likely bugged you since (probably often) but any idea if or when this might become a reality?
-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Cocoa - no joy

John Sykes III
 

Decided with the money I spent for Christmas and my temporary 8 x 12 ft layout, that Cocoa was a no go this year.  I'm not too certain of my 2007 Kia being able to make the trip either (a lot of little things have been acting up).


The layout is costing me a lot more than I expected . . . about $500 for materials not including any track, switches, scenery, etc.  The 2" thick blue foam is up to about $48/sheet and clear pine ain't cheap either.  Of course, I am making it hinged so it will raise up like a bascule bridge so I will still be able to fit my car in the garage.  That means that Cocoa will have to wait until 2017.  Sigh!!!


-- John


Re: What Kind Of Load Is This?

Bruce Smith
 

Sure Bob,


It's a flat car load ;)   


In all seriousness, that is a neat load.  Doing a little hypothesizing, the ends clearly need protection, while the center "pipe" portion does not.  The center portion is only supported at the very ends but the tie downs over it have pieces of wood to prevent the tie downs from contacting the "shaft".... and that is what I want to call it, a drives shaft of some kind.  Simple pipe joints on the end would not merit protection.  Bearings or bearing surfaces would. 


BTW, the flat is PRR class F30 (not F30A), #470113, built in 1929, one of 100.  The car was 50' 0" over the strikers with an initial capacity of 140,000 lbs.  This car appears to have been upgraded with 2F-F4 trucks raising its capacity to 190,000 lbs.  I wish I could read the stenciling on the boxed ends of the load!


Interestingly, the next shot in the series shows a PRR R50B express reefer, likely in the same freight train passing through Louisiana, Missouri.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] What Kind Of Load Is This?
 


Can anyone identify what kind of load this is?

 

http://transport.castlegraphics.com/displayimage.php?album=96&pid=4073#top_display_media

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




What Kind Of Load Is This?

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Can anyone identify what kind of load this is?

 

http://transport.castlegraphics.com/displayimage.php?album=96&pid=4073#top_display_media

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: northeastern scale...............

 

I stopped by Northeastern Scale Models in Methuen in November as per usual on my trips to MA. The retail store was gone. But, the scale lumber company is still taking phone orders from the on-line catalogue. Former store manager Wayne purchased the Scale Models retail store inventory and it selling the items on eBay.

Jack Dziadul

Sanford, NC


Re: Ice refrigerators, Early 40-foot Mechs

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

 

I suspect Dennis has the correct answer to John King's question. BTW this car was renumbered to 111 at some point. FGE built only 10 more Thermo-King equipped cars as their gasoline fueled engines proved unpopular in interchange service. Today of course Thermo-King rules on trucks and rail cars.


     PFE experiment3ed with end-mount refrigeration units, applied to ice-car bodies, in 1960 and 1962, five different mechanical arrangements in five different cars, using Trane, Carrier, York and Thermo-King refrigeration. Although plans were made to convert 500 cars, that program was never carried out. In 1965, two of the experimental cars received new Thermo-King and Transicold units, but the entire experiment was terminated in 1968  (see the PFE book for photos and more details).
      All that, of course, lies somewhere in the misty future of this list.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Ice refrigerators (Frozen Turkeys) Early 40-foot Mechs

Bill Welch
 

I suspect Dennis has the correct answer to John King's question. BTW this car was renumbered to 111 at some point. FGE built only 10 more Thermo-King equipped cars as their gasoline fueled engines proved unpopular in interchange service. Today of course Thermo-King rules on trucks and rail cars.

Bill Welch 


Re: Ice refrigerators (Frozen Turkeys) Early 40-foot Mechs

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <e27ca@...> wrote :

Or. . .???

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To impress the viewers of the photo. Looks like a PR photo of the new mechanical reefer equipment, then the photo doesn't look any different than a normal reefer... So...

Dennis Storzek


Re: Ice refrigerators (Frozen Turkeys) Early 40-foot Mechs

John King
 

Bill,

Part of the end panel is raised and it looks like the mechanical unit is moved partially out for some purpose. Do you know of this was done for: Better cooling while loading?  To put the car on outside power while loading? Maintenance?  Or. . .???

John King


Re: Photo-etched parts

peteraue
 

Since my name was mentioned several times, I feel I need to speak up.
My recommendation for photo-etching: Do the design and the artwork yourself and find a qualified supplier to do the etching for you. I have been working with such a supplier for a number of years and his technology is vastly superior to what you can do yourself. It may take a bit longer to get parts and it may be a bit more expensive but you avoid all the problems of very hazadous chemicals and you can get parts that you'd never be able to etch yourself.
My own learning curve was very long and quite expensive with a lot of bad parts, but I am fully responsible for evry one of them. My supplier has yet to make his first mistake.
Peter Aue


String Of Reefers In Seattle

thecitrusbelt@...
 

The image link below is from the Seattle Municipal Archives. It shows a long string of reefers sitting in a yard in that city in 1948. Various roads and companies are represented.

 

Click on the link below and then click on the link below the image to see the TIF version and better details.

 

http://clerk.seattle.gov/~scripts/nph-brs.exe?s1=railroad&S2=&S3=&l=100&Sect7=THUMBON&Sect6=HITOFF&Sect5=PHOT1&Sect4=AND&Sect3=PLURON&d=PHO2&p=24&u=%2F%7Epublic%2Fphot1.htm&r=2385&f=G

 

Note the two PFE refrigerator cars to the left, PFE 47128 and PFE (probably) 52444. This second PFE car (on the far left) is one of the Western Pacific refrigerators operated by PFE under lease from WP, the owner of these cars.

 

Seattle Municipal Archives: http://www.seattle.gov/cityarchives/

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Ice refrigerators (Frozen Turkeys) Early 40-foot Mechs

np328
 

From the Aug 21, 1956 AAR monthly report;

 The lines have approx. 70,000 fan equipped, 35,000 heavily insulated, and 2000 mechanical cars in service at the present.

    Bill, even that 2000 strikes me as still a small number compared to the others.    Nice photo, thanks.          

   Looking forward to seeing you at the beach next week                                  Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN
 


northeastern scale...............

ed_mines
 

I almost had a heart attack when I saw that northeastern scale models is closing in the Jan. RMC. Fortunately it different than northeastern scale lumber which apparently is still going to continue.


The two must be related; their placards are near identical.


I still like working with wood.


Ed Mines


Re: FGE reefer 4-16-1948

mwbauers
 

If no one can write specifics about that car…..

I’m reminded of the size of replacement steel panels used by the rebuild shops to change a serviceable wood sided car into a steel sided car.

Maybe ???

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Jan 2, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


can anyone give the story of this somewhat peculiar looking FGE reefer
on the CB&Q in 1948?

http://transport.castlegraphics.com/albums/railroad/locations/mo/fgex_cbq_louisiana_mo_1948-04-16.jpg

Tim O'


FGE reefer 4-16-1948

Tim O'Connor
 

can anyone give the story of this somewhat peculiar looking FGE reefer
on the CB&Q in 1948?

http://transport.castlegraphics.com/albums/railroad/locations/mo/fgex_cbq_louisiana_mo_1948-04-16.jpg

Tim O'


Re: Rolling Stock 1979-1983

Jason Kliewer
 

Those are awesome Pete.  Thanks you for posting them.


Jason Kliewer
Colorado Springs, CO


Re: Ice refrigerators (Frozen Turkeys) Early 40-foot Mechs

Bill Welch
 

However Jim. . .

They were around, and even in the Pacific northwest west to be loaded. Here is FGE's initial gas fueled Thermo-King car out on one of its trials runs being loaded with Birdseye products.


Note the New Date. This car was converted from an ice bunker car. FGE quickly adopted the new sliding door technology for their new Mechs.

Many of those 152 Mechs in service were forty foot cars, all FGE of course. I wonder when those folks at "Shake 'n Take" are going to move into the 21st Century and do a project just begging for some Photo-Etch. Accurail has the correct steel reefer w/sliding doors to model the majority of the 40-footers. They had fuel tanks hanging under the floor and all sorts of interesting detail.

Just begging to be done in styrene (with the Detroit Diesel sound) is the 50-foot FGE/WFE/BRE 1953 design built through 1957 with the only major change being the rib design of the Improved Dreadnaught ends. One thousand cars with roller bearing trucks.

Bill Welch


"Live Fire" Airbrushing Acrylics at Prototype Rails 2016

Bill Welch
 

I thought it would be helpful if i provide more details about what I  am calling the "Live Fire" painting event next Saturday, Jan. 9 at the 16th Annual Prototype Rails. I have been painting my freight cars with Acrylic paints since I began building them in about 1992. Over the years I have noticed that many modelers have had frustrating experiences with Acrylics or have an outright aversion to them. In the beginning I was frustrated too but I was determined to succeed and I persevered until I felt like I had succeeded. Mostly it was having the right Airbrush. I will be talking about my experience in the the "Airbrushing 101. . ." clinic.


During the past couple of years I have gone a little bit insane and have accumulated ten airbrushes and it occurred to me that with a little cooperation from the organizers of Prototype Rails—and as it came to pass Accurail and Badger—maybe I could give some people a chance to spray Modelflex paint—my main choice now for many years—with a Airbrush properly equipped to spray it.

During the "Live Fire" event there will be four different Double Action Internal Mix airbrushes available to spray with:

Badger 155 Anthem Siphon feed
Badger 105 Patriot Gravity Feed
GREX TG Gravity Feed
Passche Talon Gravity Feed

These will all have the large needle/nozzle combinations I have found necessary to be successful spraying. I will also have an inexpensive siphon feed ABEST airbrush as a backup and incase someone wants to try a siphon feed and the 155 is not available

If you follow this link you can see the Sign-up Sheet: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qqtvs67rouzejxu/Livefire%20Painting%20Signup%20Sheet.pdf?dl=0

This will be available to participants beginning about 12 PM Friday, January 8. I thought it would be helpful to see this in advance so interested people can do some planning. Some of you may want to plan to airbrush with a friend. When you PRINT your name in LEGIBLY please feel free to write in your Airbrush preference. Obviously the first people to signup in each time slot will have their first choice.

Not mentioned in the Prototype Rails 2016 info but informally/irregularly a couple of times at least I will have a small table in one of of the hallways with several airbrushes for those that  would like to get a feel for several airbrushes and see what is easy and comfortable for them.

Bill Welch



Re: Rolling Stock 1979-1983

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

That's true but many of the cars in the photos were BUILT prior to
1961... I think most people here have tolerated post-1960 photos in
the past as long as the cars were built in the STMFC era.

Just a cursory glance at the album shows that perhaps 1/4 to 1/3 of
the cars (and maybe more) are appropriate for the STFMC time frame.

Tim O'Connor

Uh, Pete, You say:

I recently went through my freight car photos and sorted them into two
separate albums, pre and post 2000.

The STMFC rules clearly state:

"The objectives
include the sharing of
information about North American, standard gauge railroad freight cars in
the period 1900-1960 inclusive..."

There are groups that cover time periods after those of the STMFC.

Mike Brock
STMFC Boss

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