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Steam Era Freight Cars Web Site

Jim Betz
 

Hi all,

I didn't know about this web site (or had forgotten it?) until Ben
put a link to it. Thanks Ben!!!

I spent a couple of hours yesterday bouncing all around that
web site (time well spent!). It appears that the last updates
to it were done a little over a decade ago. Does anyone
know what happened that it is no longer being updated?

The type of info that is on this site - especially being able to put
the cursor on a car and get details for that car (and links to others
that are similar) is incredible. And the primary 'era focus' of the
site is "right in our wheel house" (STMFC, of course).

One 'deficiency' is that there is very little coverage of Western RRs -
especially when comparing the coverage of a wide range of Eastern
RRs. But I can live with that compared to not having the site at all.

Does anyone have any recommendations for - easy to use -
software that allows you to magnify/zoom the images? I'm
using Win10 on the computer that I do this kind of work on
and would prefer references to the more commonly available
packages/tools ...
- Jim B.


MILW rib side upgrades

Eric Hansmann
 

A Milwaukee Road rib side box car is the focus of George Toman's attention on the Resin Car Works blog. George made several improvements and added some Stan Rydarowicz resin castings to reflect a car in specialized service. Follow the link to read more.

http://blog.resincarworks.com/milwaukee-rib-side-box-car-upgrade/

 

Eric Hansmann

RCW web guy


Re: Santa Fe reefers in Boston

Bruce Smith
 

Jack,

I understand and always support the search for photographic evidence, and you have gotten some, but something about your question troubles me.  From a practical standpoint, I think it should be obvious that PFE cars made it to Boston.  Why would I say that?  Well, the good folks of the Boston metropolitan area almost certainly wanted the produce that was produced in areas served by the ATSF!  While it may not have been as available (or as fresh) as the same produce arriving in Chicago or St. Louis, it was still in demand there.  Certainly, there are plenty of examples of PFE cars all along the atlantic seaboard, and while New England may represent the farthest reaches of the nation from SFRD territory… but it was certainly served.

Interestingly, at Cocoa Beach, George Eichleberger (sp?) gave a great presentation on banana traffic out of Charleston and there were PFE reefers used for that.  In all fairness though, that was in 1945, at the very end of WWII and PFE did not have control over the use of its cars.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:03 PM, STMFC@... wrote:

I have been trying to determine what, if any, Santa Fe refrigerator cars found their way to any of the Terminal Division freight houses or nearby industries / distribution centers. I have checked this group's conversations and files but nothing jumped out at me. I also searched my library of photo books. The only photo that I could find of SFRD cars behind B&M power was on page 165 of Boston and Maine: Three Colorful Decades of New England Railroading. It appears to show two cars behind 1577 in West Groton. I tried the B&M list, but the several responses had very limited information. One reply mentioned Union Freight via New Haven (or B&M) as a possibility. Another post noted that unit trains perhaps went to centrally located class yards outside of Boston. Thank you for any inputs.
Jack Dziadul
Sanford, NC


Re: lead shot for car weighting

dahminator68
 

Hello Mr. Rindfleisch: If you are still looking for a few pounds of lead shot, please contact me at westerfieldmodels@....
I have some #9 shot.
Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...
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On Sat, 1/9/16, BlackDiamondRR@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] lead shot for car weighting
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2016, 7:04 AM


 









    I am looking for someone who might be
willing to split a couple of pounds of lead shot for
weighting hollow center sills or such. When I last checked
this stuff can be purchased in 25 lb boxes for shotgun shell
reloading. I don't need 25 lbs! The only smaller
quantities I've seen are from Detail associates or
Details West (I forget) called "pourable lead".
Not enough to do the number of cars I need it for and quite
expensive in this small quantity. I could probably use about
3-4 lbs to last a lifetime.      Bud
Rindfleisch









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Re: R-40-10 reefers?

grangerroads@...
 

Tony,

I have the 1943 CBC, which contains an R-40-10 drawing. Do you have other car drawings, too, in the PFE book? And, is the PFE second edition (the one presented at Amazon) the latest? I see, too, from the book's description that it contains trailer, flat car, and container information – an added bonus for me.

Thanks much,

Brian Chapman
Cedar Rapids, Iowa


Re: Santa Fe reefers in Boston

 

Got it. Thank you Ben.

Jack Dziadul

Sanford, NC

Tracks to the Triangle 2016



Re: lead shot for car weighting (Tungsten)

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Tungsten is a weighting material that may be of interest to you. On a volume basis tungsten is about 1.7 times as dense as lead, which means you'll be able to add 70% more weight in the same space compared to lead. Only gold, platinum, and a few other rare and expensive metals have a similar density.

 

Also, tungsten is non-toxic. However, unlike lead, tungsten is not very malleable. And it is very hard so you don’t want to consider get a bar of this material and shaving it.

 

This material has been used for years in Pinewood Derby cars and sources for such car supplies have a variety of weights available, including some very small pellets: http://www.maximum-velocity.com/htm/15046.htm

 

Tungsten also is available as a fine powder, and when mixed with a little lightly-thinned white glue, can be fit into just about any space. Tungsten powder is commonly used to add weight to golf clubs and can be purchased from some golf supply stores. It’s not cheap, however.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA




Re: lead shot for car weighting

Dave Parker
 

I agree with Schuyler, at least from a theoretical standpoint.  If the spheres are all of the same diameter, the densest packing that can be achieved is 0.74, i.e. 74% spheres and 26% airspace.  It doesn't matter if the spheres are atoms or beach-balls, that is as tight as they can fit together (in either cubic or hexagonal close-packing).  There are other regular arrangements that can found in crystal structures that are slightly less "efficient" (e.g., 68%).  This a long-accepted tenet in crystallography, mineralogy, and related fields.  From a practical standpoint, if the space you are trying to fill is small relative to the spheres you are using, it may be difficult to achieve this idealize packing arrangement.   But if you are just choosing between two sizes of birdshot, it should not matter as a general rule. The density of the metal (tungsten versus lead versus steel, etc.) will likely be more influential.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA


Re: R-40-10 reefers?

Tony Thompson
 

I'd like to learn the basic about this reefer (the series served well into transition era, correct?). I'm considering CAD-drawing one for cnc milling in 1:120 scale, if accurate drawings are available. 

    The Cyc drawing and many photos are in the PFE book,

Tony Thompson
sent from my laptop


Re: lead shot for car weighting

mopacfirst
 

I'm not sure I understand your last sentence, but you hit on the important fact at the end of your second sentence.  Spheres of anything, no matter how many lb/cubic inch or whatever measure you choose, will pack more tightly together in a given volume and thus weigh more.  This effect is enhanced when you're talking about a relatively small space in relation to the sphere diameters, such as inside a centersill or between the centersill and the side of the car.

Ron Merrick


Re: LV "wrong way" boxcar/campcar

Eric Hansmann
 

The end looks like a variant on the T-brace end that was mentioned with a Southern box car recently.

As for original, that isn't a term I would use much with LV wood-sheathed box cars. There was lots or rebuilding of older LV equipment in the late 1920s and into the 1930s. The LV stretched quite a few older 36-foot cars and installed steel center sills. Many cars received new doors and ends.

They did receive some 40-foot, double-sheathed cars in the Teens that had similarities to the B&O M-15 class. Westerfield offers this as a kit.
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=98_294

There is a possibility the car seen on the EBay slide was originally one if the LV automobile cars.

Is there a definitive history of LV wood-sheathed box cars?

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jan 10, 2016, at 4:49 PM, 'D. Scott Chatfield' blindog@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/35mm-Dupe-Slide-Lehigh-Valley-RR-Camp-Car-97661-Perth-Amboy-New-Jersey-1964/381511858823?

I assume this was originally one of the infamous "wrong way" boxcars.
Was that the car's original end?

Scott Chatfield


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Re: lead shot for car weighting

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, no, Ben.  You can get more weight because lead weighs more per unit of volume than BBs weigh, and with a smaller diameter you can more completely fill a void.  But the volumetric measure of a sphere remains constant regardless of the diameter.

Schuyler

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Droid


Re: Santa Fe reefers in Boston

Benjamin Hom
 

Jack Dziadul wrote:
"The photos did not show Santa Fe reefers, just boxcars; at least my eyes could not find them.  But, the photo technology was quite impressive. Being able to click on any freight car and get details on that isolated piece of rolling stock is remarkable."

Go back and look again - there aren't many, but they're there.  There's one obvious SFRD reefer behind the PRR Class X29 boxcar in the top center of this photo:
There's one near the shanty in the upper left of this photo coupled to two single-sheathed boxcars.

Ben Hom


Re: Santa Fe reefers in Boston

 

Ben, thank you. The photos did not show Santa Fe reefers, just boxcars; at least my eyes could not find them.  But, the photo technology was quite impressive. Being able to click on any freight car and get details on that isolated piece of rolling stock is remarkable.

Best regards,

Jack Dziadul

Sanford, NC 



Re: lead shot for car weighting

Benjamin Hom
 

Lenter Ohrnell wrote:
"BB's would make a good substitute and they are reasonable."

Reasonably priced, yes, but "good subtitute" is debatable as they're huge (4.5 mm) compared to #9 (2.03 mm) or #10 (1.78 mm) shot. This matters because you can pack more weight in a given volume using smaller shot.


Ben Hom


Re: lead shot for car weighting

Walter
 

BB's would make a good substitute and they are reasonable.

Lenter Ohrnell


Decals (For Sale)

Doug Junda
 

all,

I have come across a few sets of decals from a estate I was working on.
They are HO scale:
NYC Stock car(P&LE) Printed by Rail Graphics for Mark Vaughan
Milwaukee Road (not sure what kind of car)- Printed by Rail Graphics for Mark Vaughan
Litchfield and Madison Caboose Printed by Rail Graphics for Mark Vaughan
NYC diesel (P&E) Printed by Rail Graphics for Mark Vaughan
Brass Car sides set PE1 Herald for GP7 or SW7

If anyone is interested in them, please contact me at djunda AT pdtnetworks DOT org.

$3.50 per set, will ship USPS letter.

Doug Junda


Re: lead shot for car weighting

Dave Sarther
 

Bud,
 
You might also consider making a visit to a local roofing company and enquire about some scrap pieces of lead.  At one time Home Depot and other big box home stores sold lead shields/covers for vent stacks that went through a house roof.  I have not walked the HD plumbing/roofing departments lately, but I'd give it a quick walk through and I'll bet you can find something there.   Lead sheets are common for roofers who are creating roof flashing around chimneys and walls alongside a pitched roof.  It is a common material for roofers to have on their trucks.  Occasionally, when I see a local roofer working I'll ask for a scrap piece.  Once I explain that I want to use it a weight for a model railroad car they are more than happy to dig around and find some scrap pieces.  That last way of procuring the material is tax free and as a bonus you don't have to pay for shipping.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther    Tucson, AZ
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] lead shot for car weighting

 
Bud Rindfleisch asked:
"I am looking for someone who might be willing to split a couple of pounds of lead shot for weighting hollow center sills or such. When I last checked this stuff can be purchased in 25 lb boxes for shotgun shell reloading. I don't need 25 lbs! The only smaller quantities I've seen are from Detail associates or Details West (I forget) called "pourable lead". Not enough to do the number of cars I need it for and quite expensive in this small quantity. I could probably use about 3-4 lbs to last a lifetime."

McMaster-Carr sells lead shot for $37.43 per 5 lb package.
Ben Hom


Re: lead shot for car weighting

SUVCWORR@...
 

If you go to a local sportsman's club you will likely find someone who loads their own shells and be willing to sell you a few pounds of shot.  

Rich Orr

    I am looking for someone who might be willing to split a couple of pounds of lead shot for weighting hollow center sills or such. When I last checked this stuff can be purchased in 25 lb boxes for shotgun shell reloading. I don't need 25 lbs! The only smaller quantities I've seen are from Detail associates or Details West (I forget) called "pourable lead". Not enough to do the number of cars I need it for and quite expensive in this small quantity. I could probably use about 3-4 lbs to last a lifetime.
      Bud Rindfleisch



Re: Santa Fe reefers in Boston

SUVCWORR@...
 

The PRR and Erie both handed off cars to the NH for Boston delivery.  Not sure what the NYC did but suspect they would be handled by the B&A absent other routing by the shipper.

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: jackdziadul@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 3:03 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe reefers in Boston



I have been trying to determine what, if any, Santa Fe refrigerator cars found their way to any of the Terminal Division freight houses or nearby industries / distribution centers. I have checked this group's conversations and files but nothing jumped out at me. I also searched my library of photo books. The only photo that I could find of SFRD cars behind B&M power was on page 165 of Boston and Maine: Three Colorful Decades of New England Railroading. It appears to show two cars behind 1577 in West Groton. I tried the B&M list, but the several responses had very limited information. One reply mentioned Union Freight via New Haven (or B&M) as a possibility. Another post noted that unit trains perhaps went to centrally located class yards outside of Boston. Thank you for any inputs.
Jack Dziadul
Sanford, NC


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