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Re: An informal poll

al_brown03
 

I'd sooner not mask, so I vote for separate parts.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: An informal poll

MDelvec952
 


I'm generally in the one-piece-body camp.  But if the kit is intended to represent a prototype that had roof and end variants and those parts could made separate to permit the modeler some options, then do that.

If the roof and ends are separate purely for reasons of painting, then please offer the one-piece body.

Door hinges are another issue. They should be cast on, but I wish there was an easier way to do a neat job of painting them.

              ....Mike Del Vecchio



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Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2016 4:52 pm
Subject: [STMFC] An informal poll

 
A debate is going on within a circle of resin manufacturers regarding
how best to deal with reefer kits. In particular cars with multi-color
paint jobs.
The gist of the issue is this;
It's agreed that one piece bodies are required.
But do we offer one piece bodies with false ends and separate roofs and
floors, which will allow for multi-color paint jobs with out masking. Or
do we make the bodies as complete as possible?
You guys are the buyers, what's your preference?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: adhering to wood - Loctite CA

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Jack, I have used Loctite’s CA for some time, but they recently (in the last year) issued it in a new bottle and I have since found that it comes in several viscosities, from water-thin to, well, goopy. The bottle has red ribbed sides which are squeezable, and provide a great deal of control over just how much you get out at any one time. At the bottom of the label it says “Ultimate liquid control,” and I’d have to say that is truth in advertising.



And it does the job. If you get it together with Loctite, it’s not coming apart, at least, not easily.



I realize that sounds like I work there; I do not.



Schuyler




Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: adhering to wood

Schuyler,
I agree with you about Loctite CA on wood. I've used it
occasionally with good results so far. I tend to reach for it to join very small pieces. If I modeled in a smaller scale I might need it more often.

Loctite is my favorite CA. I get reliable bonds on a variety of materials, the bottle resists clogging, and shelf life after opening is very good. I've had bad luck with the well known hobby brands on all three counts.

Jack Mullen





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Re: An informal poll

frograbbit602
 

My choice is false ends and separate roofs and floors.
Lester Breuer


Re: adhering to wood

Jack Mullen
 

Schuyler,
I agree with you about Loctite CA on wood. I've used it
occasionally with good results so far. I tend to reach for it to join very small pieces. If I modeled in a smaller scale I might need it more often.

Loctite is my favorite CA. I get reliable bonds on a variety of materials, the bottle resists clogging, and shelf life after opening is very good. I've had bad luck with the well known hobby brands on all three counts.

Jack Mullen


Re: An informal poll

riverman_vt@...
 

    Can't help but agree with Armand on this but would also like to see at least
separate ends on cast resin reefers. When I think of resin reefers the first thing
that comes to mind is the Santa Fe Rr-11 that I believe Frank Hodina built the
masters for Martin Lofton to cast. Where resin kits are concerned that kit was 
to me one of the best designed kits I have ever seen and certainly the best 
reefer kit I ever run across. Building it was a pure joy so I have no problem 
with well designed and cast resin reefer kits with separate sides or at the very
least, separate ends from the same feelings that Garth shared.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: An informal poll

Ted Culotta
 

Garth,

I think that the MDT cars are in the works elsewhere. The 10k Type 7 or 11 seems like a good idea. That's one that bears a closer look...

--
Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media


Re: An informal poll

Bill Welch
 

Sunshine never offered MDT reefers w/Despatch ends. Even bigger gap is MDT's wood sheathed reefer w/wood sheathed ends but I sound like a broken record by now on this subject.

Bill Welch


Re: An informal poll

armprem
 


Ted,Have you considered an ERDX Reefer? It has never been done .Armand Premo

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: An informal poll

Ted,

Since you are musing over the possibility of a reefer kit, how about considering an MDT reefer with Despatch ends. I suppose Martin offered something like this, but there's nothing out there now that I know of.

But, Oh!, for a 10K AC&F type 7 or 11 high walkway tank!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/13/16 5:43 PM, Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
I vote for one-piece bodies. There are excellent low-tack masking tapes available now that make masking a breeze. Weathering hides almost all but the most egregious masking errors.

If and when I offer a reefer kit, I'll be sure to follow my own advice!

Cheers,
Ted Culotta

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Re: An informal poll

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Ted,

Since you are musing over the possibility of a reefer kit, how about considering an MDT reefer with Despatch ends. I suppose Martin offered something like this, but there's nothing out there now that I know of.

But, Oh!, for a 10K AC&F type 7 or 11 high walkway tank!

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/13/16 5:43 PM, Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
I vote for one-piece bodies. There are excellent low-tack masking tapes available now that make masking a breeze. Weathering hides almost all but the most egregious masking errors.

If and when I offer a reefer kit, I'll be sure to follow my own advice!

Cheers,
Ted Culotta


Re: An informal poll

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Pierre,

While I'm pretty well set for reefers, I would prefer to have the separate ends. It not only makes painting easier, but it also opens possibilities for kitbashing.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 1/13/16 4:49 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

A debate is going on within a circle of resin manufacturers regarding
how best to deal with reefer kits. In particular cars with multi-color
paint jobs.
The gist of the issue is this;
It's agreed that one piece bodies are required.
But do we offer one piece bodies with false ends and separate roofs and
floors, which will allow for multi-color paint jobs with out masking. Or
do we make the bodies as complete as possible?
You guys are the buyers, what's your preference?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



Re: adhering to wood

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Maybe I will regret this, but I have (do far) had good luck with Loctite Super Glue.  When I have had to take things apart the wood breaks before the joint.

Schuyler

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On Jan 13, 2016 6:21 PM, "jack.f.mullen@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

IMO, polyurethanes such as Gorilla Glue are unsuited to most model uses. The glue foams and expands which can and will force apart the parts being joined, unless securely clamped or otherwise fastened. It also tends to squeeze or foam out of the edges. It's also messy if it gets where you don't want it. These issues aren't a big deal in 1:1 woodworking, but can be a big PITA at model scales. YMMV, of course.

My usual choice for wood to wood model joints is yellow wood glue, preferably Franklin Titebond. It's reasonably tacky and can be thinned if necessary. I build wood models at a different pace than with styrene or resin, and holding small parts in place for a bit, or weighting or clamping when appropriate is just part of the process.

Jack Mullen


Re: An informal poll

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I agree with Tony Wagner here especially about the separate parts, though hinges sufficiently thin might be a tough thing to accomplish.

Schuyler

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On Jan 13, 2016 5:27 PM, "anthony wagner anycw1@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I'm all for separate sides such as on Accurail's cars.As far as I can tell, during the steam era, ends and roofs were one color, usually some shade of "freight car red" while the sides were mostly yellow, orange, gray, or white. Underframes were either the same color as the roofs and ends or black. Of course there were exceptions but compared to the majority of reefers they were few and far between. A plus would be separate door hinges, ladders, and grab irons since, depending on the era and the owner's paint scheme at that time, they could be black or red or the same color as the sides. Neatly brush painting cast on hinges especially, but ladders and grabs too, is a major hassle. An alternative might be to provide decals in the appropriate shape and color to be applied to the cast on items after the sides are painted. Hope this helps, Tony Wagner


On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 3:49 PM, "Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
A debate is going on within a circle of resin manufacturers regarding
how best to deal with reefer kits. In particular cars with multi-color
paint jobs.
The gist of the issue is this;
It's agreed that one piece bodies are required.
But do we offer one piece bodies with false ends and separate roofs and
floors, which will allow for multi-color paint jobs with out masking. Or
do we make the bodies as complete as possible?
You guys are the buyers, what's your preference?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com




Re: An informal poll

gary laakso
 

I tried painting the ends and sides separately once and it was far more work than masking a body already assembled.  I used paper under ladders to reduce adding parts to paint.  One piece is my vote.

Gary Laakso
south of Mike Brock




Re: An informal poll

armprem
 


My major objection to many of the one piece bodies is the thickness of the sides and ends.Drilling becomes a major impediment to the ease of construction.Armand Premo

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: An informal poll

I vote for one-piece bodies. There are excellent low-tack masking tapes available now that make masking a breeze. Weathering hides almost all but the most egregious masking errors.

If and when I offer a reefer kit, I'll be sure to follow my own advice!

Cheers,
Ted Culotta

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Re: adhering to wood

Jack Mullen
 

IMO, polyurethanes such as Gorilla Glue are unsuited to most model uses. The glue foams and expands which can and will force apart the parts being joined, unless securely clamped or otherwise fastened. It also tends to squeeze or foam out of the edges. It's also messy if it gets where you don't want it. These issues aren't a big deal in 1:1 woodworking, but can be a big PITA at model scales. YMMV, of course.

My usual choice for wood to wood model joints is yellow wood glue, preferably Franklin Titebond. It's reasonably tacky and can be thinned if necessary. I build wood models at a different pace than with styrene or resin, and holding small parts in place for a bit, or weighting or clamping when appropriate is just part of the process.

Jack Mullen


Re: An informal poll

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Pierre,

My choice is one-piece bodies — sides, ends, roof — and masking tape. I have not found masking and painting the roofs to be much of an issue.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jan 13, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

A debate is going on within a circle of resin manufacturers regarding 
how best to deal with reefer kits. In particular cars with multi-color 
paint jobs.
The gist of the issue is this;
It's agreed that one piece bodies are required.
But do we offer one piece bodies with false ends and separate roofs and 
floors, which will allow for multi-color paint jobs with out masking. Or 
do we make the bodies as complete as possible?
You guys are the buyers, what's your preference?

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



Re: An informal poll

william darnaby
 

I've built dozens of resin reefers and only assembled one, a Sunshine wood side MDT car 20 years ago, with pre-painted parts as an experiment. I concluded that it was too much trouble and went back to masking tape. I can do a four color car such as an FGE...yellow sides, silver roof, red ends, black UF...with one piece of tape over the sides. All this requires is a good air brush with minimal overspray. Just leave off the ladders and side grabs, painting them separately, for ease of laying down the tape. As far as I am concerned, one piece body or separate pieces, I am going to tape. YMMV.

Bill Darnaby

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Subject: [STMFC] An informal poll

A debate is going on within a circle of resin manufacturers regarding how best to deal with reefer kits. In particular cars with multi-color paint jobs.
The gist of the issue is this;
It's agreed that one piece bodies are required.
But do we offer one piece bodies with false ends and separate roofs and floors, which will allow for multi-color paint jobs with out masking. Or do we make the bodies as complete as possible?
You guys are the buyers, what's your preference?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



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Re: An informal poll

Jeff Sankus
 

My vote is for one piece bodies. I agree with Ted C's thoughts about masking.

Thanks
Jeff Sankus

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

A debate is going on within a circle of resin manufacturers regarding
how best to deal with reefer kits. In particular cars with multi-color
paint jobs.
The gist of the issue is this;
It's agreed that one piece bodies are required.
But do we offer one piece bodies with false ends and separate roofs and
floors, which will allow for multi-color paint jobs with out masking. Or
do we make the bodies as complete as possible?
You guys are the buyers, what's your preference?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



Re: An informal poll

Tim O'Connor
 


I prefer flat kits. :-)



With the consistency of injection molded plastic, I prefer the separate components to avoid masking.�  But in general, for resin parts, I prefer complete bodies over tweaking the fit of several components.� 

So complete bodies is my vote.

Mike Skibbe

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

A debate is going on within a circle of resin manufacturers regarding
how best to deal with reefer kits. In particular cars with multi-color
paint jobs.
The gist of the issue is this;
It's agreed that one piece bodies are required.
But do we offer one piece bodies with false ends and separate roofs and
floors, which will allow for multi-color paint jobs with out masking. Or
do we make the bodies as complete as possible?
You guys are the buyers, what's your preference?

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

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