Re: So why are we doing this?
Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
As we continue to talk about talking about freight cars, :-) WRT binaries,
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they shouldn't be mailed out, but put in the shared files area. The ReeferMadness list (all refrigerator cars, all the time) does this quite effectively, though most of the images are of (yuk) mechanical reefers. The PrototypeModelers have recently uploaded sections of video (!) that show specific freight car door hardware. [Now *that's* multimedia at its finest!] Regards, -Jeff P.S. Has Harley unsubscribed yet? I don't think we've had an actual freight car discussion yet...
On Dec 12, 7:32pm, Tim O'Connor wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: So why are we doing this? P.P.S. How do people feel about binaries attached to messages? Sometimes --
Jeff Aley, Development Engineer jaley@pcocd2.intel.com Graphics Components Division Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
Richard writes on his reasoning for a new group:
1. ... 33,000 gal. tank cars....subscribers who weren't around when they were discussed before.Item 1 can be addressed by establishing a different, group. The only way to deal with item 2 is to keep the new group closed, by invitation only. Dunno if egroups allows for that. Dunno what Mike wants either. At any rate, what I'd like is (no particular order): - Fine scale modeling of freight cars. Model railroading including freight cars is meerly a coincidental interest. I can join Jim Six's group or stay with the FC list would my priorites to reverse. - my personal interests of historical research at the fleet level (ORER, ICC stuff, industrial stuff, etc.) remaining welcome. - All historical material relevant to support fine scale modeling. - Persons having both adult opinions and skins. - I understand opinions vary on when the steam era ended. I think <=1956 is generous. - While not yet an author, I have appreciated and learned from much of the discussion over on the FC list on issues faced by authors of material on these topics. I could go on.... On a technical level, I do like egroups web access, searching capability, file storage, and opinion polling -- very much an improvement compared to FC. Dave Nelson
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
I agree with Dick Harley. I would like someplace where there is only serious
discussion of freight cars, and not a lot of chit-chat, and no declarations of one's preference for the "three foot rule" etc. Limiting it to pre-1960 freight cars is not entirely my preference but if that's how you all feel... People like myself and Bill Kelly and Jim Eager are seriously interested in post-1960 freight cars too, and at the moment there is no mailing list other than FCL for that. An egroups moderator has the power to approve or eject subscribers. I have occasionally reminded steamloco members not to stray from the subject of the mailing list, and I haven't noticed any serious violations. Although the recent flareup of discussions of styrene and plastics is kinda pushing the envelope... P.S. Dick, thanks for posting the Union Pacific drawings file. I think that type of information will make the STMFC a useful resource. Dick's "three useful messages a week" sounds like a worthy goal. P.P.S. How do people feel about binaries attached to messages? Sometimes it would be just so much easier to SHOW people what you're talking about rather than try to describe it.
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
On Dec 12, 3:27pm, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: So why are we doing this? 3. I'm tired of the same old topics being discussed at length every fewthe digest to find that out).This, in my opinion, is one of the great weaknesses of Mr. Hosker's list. The last time I tried to search the archives, well, I couldn't. Suppose I want to know how to tell a correct RC R-30-12-9 from the incorrect version. I have no intention of performing 48 different searches for "Red Caboose PFE" (one for each month in the archive). Thus, if I wanted to know, I'd have to ask again. (Actually, I keep my own personal archive of messages that I think will be of future interest. But I shouldn't have to.) Regards, -Jeff -- Jeff Aley, Development Engineer jaley@pcocd2.intel.com Graphics Components Division Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Re: Used book sites
Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
While we're still off topic, you may also find http://www.bibliofind.com/
to be helpful. Note that neither Advanced Book Exchange (ABE) nor Bibliofind are actual booksellers. Instead they contain listings from many smaller book dealers. As a result, each web site might find the same book. Other search sites: http://www.bookfinder.com/ http://www.ippi.com/antiquarian-archive.html http://www.alibris.com/home.cfm Best of luck! -Jeff On Dec 12, 6:37pm, MDelvec952@aol.com wrote: Subject: Re: [STMFC] Used book sitesthe site is just wonderful. There's hardly a used railway title I couldn'tfind on it. Even found a copy of "Painting of Railway Equipment,"only ever seen one other copy in circulation. I bought it. Two copies ofShay Locomotive are on there -- that's just about the rarest of the rare.-- Jeff Aley, Development Engineer jaley@pcocd2.intel.com Graphics Components Division Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Re: Attention!
MDelvec952
In a message dated 12/12/00 11:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brockm@brevard.net writes: The STMFC is pleased to announce that Byron Rose will be returning to active"interesting" comments and views for awhile. I look forward to his remarks.I'm on the phone with Byron as we speak, reading him this note. "Now I guess I'm committed," sez he, amongst many other things. He'll be on. ....Mike
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Re: Used book sites
thompson@...
I have gotten the message "refused by server" on this site several timesI tried http://www.abebooks.com/ and found two copies, and someI tried that website and it wouldn't come up. ??? this afternoon. But the URL is presumably good. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history
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Re: Used book sites
Gail & Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
Mike,I tried that website and it wouldn't come up. ??? Try again. Tom M.
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Re: Used book sites
Richard Hendrickson
Mike,I tried that website and it wouldn't come up. ??? Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Tank Car Journeys
Richard Hendrickson
Dave Nelson wrote, in response to Jeff Aley,
Actually, there are two such books. General American Tank Car Journeys wasFor example, I recently learned that I need to ship sulfuric acid toFind _Tank Car Journeys_ in some used bookstore on the net. It's from the published by GATC in 1931 (under the title it says "Vol. 1" but there never was a second volume). An earlier book was Standard Tank Car Journeys published in 1920 by the Standard Tank Car Co. I have copies of both (but my GATC book is on loand from Tom Madden and I'd like to find a copy of my own). I can copy the sections on specific commodities from either or both for subscribers to this list. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Richard Hendrickson
Jeff Aley wrote:
Hmm. I wonder how many others are banned from FCL? Perhaps we shouldI did. Whether he does so remains to be seen. (I'm reminded of the old Groucho Marx line, "I'd never belong to a club which would have me as a member.") Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520
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The steam era, 1960
MDelvec952
Dave Nelson writes:is >generous.It is commonly regarded by the more formal historian and professional museum community that the end of the steam era was 1960. The late 1950s still saw some Class 1 steam, while the 1960s saw steam only on a few short lines and in Canada. Rolling stock, too, made a big leap in the 1960s, as Richard pointed out. ....Mike
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Re: Used book sites
Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
Mike,
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I tried http://www.abebooks.com/ and found two copies, and some other interesting stuff. Regards, -Jeff
On Dec 12, 5:04pm, MDelvec952@aol.com wrote:
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Jeff Aley, Development Engineer jaley@pcocd2.intel.com Graphics Components Division Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
On Dec 12, 12:06pm, Dick Harley wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] So why are we doing this?Hmm. I wonder how many others are banned from FCL? Perhaps we should invite Byron to join this list... Regards, -Jeff -- Jeff Aley, Development Engineer jaley@pcocd2.intel.com Graphics Components Division Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA (916) 356-3533
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
For example, I recently learned that I need to ship sulfuric acid toFind _Tank Car Journeys_ in some used bookstore on the net. It's from the 30's and does a nice job of describing all sorts of stuff that went in tank cars. In some instances it explains quite a bit about individual industries too. Dave Nelson
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
Because of those darn Floridians, I suppose. Everybody in theYes, that accounts for much no doubt, but it's hardly a good enough reason IMO. I suppose the list also exists to answer questions such as: Surely this could be addressed on the FC list too -- and in the past, it has. Hmm. Looks like I need to be blunt: Is the elephant in the room (the one that nobody wants to speak about) personality or content? IMO, differing personalities are a fact of life (made somewhat easier by delete keys and/or kill files) and as such, establishing yet another discussion group provides no assurance of perpetual pleasantries. Rather than discuss one or more persons publically, I suggest private e-mails if further comment is needed. OTOH, there does appear to me that there is a fundamental schism of priorities over in FC. Hard to describe singularly, but to my view it encompases the differing priorites of display vs. used, finescale vs. mass market, the joy of assembly & painting vs. fastest RTR, a roster of few vs. many, scratchbuilding vs. buying, accomplished vs. learning, perhaps others, but generally embodied in the rivet-counter vs. goodenuffer labels. Is something here the reason for another group? Or am I just too dense to accept the face value assertion it's about steam ear cars? Dave Nelson
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Jeff Aley <jaley@...>
--- In STMFC@egroups.com, "Dave & Libby Nelson" <muskoka@i...> wrote:
Title sez it all.Because of those darn Floridians, I suppose. Everybody in the country is slightly ticked off, and as a result, unpleasantness has reared its head on FCL (and, I predict, on SteamLocomotives). I suppose the list also exists to answer questions such as: Given a commodity that was shipped by tank car, how do I determine what type of car carried that commodity. Furthermore, how would I determine what company or companies owned said type of car for that commodity? For example, I recently learned that I need to ship sulfuric acid to a corn mill (acid was used to produce corn oil). What kind of car do I use (and more importantly, how can I find out for myself?)? Should I just commit the ACF book and RPCyc to memory? Regards, -Jeff P.S. As a reminder, my era of interest is 1950-55.
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Re: So why are we doing this?
Dick Harley <Dick.Harley@...>
As one who was permanently banded from the FCList unless I apologized to
Jim Six and his supporters (not likely), I personally hope that this could be a forum for (mostly) serious discussion about the stated topic without all the other BS that goes along with most email lists. I am not retired and do not want do spend my days reading nonsense, hitting the delete key or wishing people knew how to truncate old messages. I continue to spend time and money doing a fair amount of railroad research - some of it freight car related. I am more than willing to share that research with those who appreciate the effort and contribute themselves. I'd be happy if this list had three messages a week that were useful. I will not read 25 messages a day that are not useful. (And I have yet to see 25 messages a day that were even 30% useful.) I prefer quality to quantity. Whether this is what Mike Brock had in mind, I don't know. Whether this duplicates the FCList, I'll never know. Just my 2 cents, Dick Harley
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Re: Used book sites
MDelvec952
In a message dated 12/12/00 6:11:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rhendrickson@opendoor.com writes: I tried http://www.abebooks.com/ and found two copies, and some>other interesting stuff. Try it again, Richard. Or try simply AbeBooks.com. I tried it, and the site is just wonderful. There's hardly a used railway title I couldn't find on it. Even found a copy of "Painting of Railway Equipment," Simmons-Boardman 1924, written by Lackawanna shopforeman Miller. I've only ever seen one other copy in circulation. I bought it. Two copies of Shay Locomotive are on there -- that's just about the rarest of the rare. Thanks, Jeff Aley, for suggesting the site. All the best, ....Mike
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Inviting Byron
MDelvec952
In a message dated 12/12/00 5:58:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
rhendrickson@opendoor.com writes: I did.So did I. ....Mike
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