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USATC Long Flat

Gary Ray
 

Hi,

My friend is doing a clinic on US military cars on German railways after WWII.  He has models and photos of the 50’ USATC Long Flat (US Specs) but would like to find a dimensional drawing.  I’ve searched the internet without success.  He believes the 50’ Walther’s Trainline flat (http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/931-1602) is similar.  Any help in locating a dimensional drawing or more info on the Walther’s flat (prototype) would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Gary Ray


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Re: NYC USRA DESIGN STEEL BOXCARS

Todd Sullivan
 

I should also have asked about the car numbers in the photos.  NYC had many series of these cars, not always the same.

Todd Sullivan
Liverpool, NY


Re: NYC USRA DESIGN STEEL BOXCARS

Todd Sullivan
 

Bill,

What era are the photos?

I photographed some NYC 'USRA' survivors in company service in the early 1980s at Selkirk Yard, and built a Westerfield kit using those photos and some builders photos as a guide.  My photos are in storage, but the model is here and has the cylinder on one side with the AB valve near it on the same side, and the reservoir on the opposite side.  I might have gotten it wrong, but I'm pretty careful about that stuff.

Todd Sullivan
Liverpool, NY


Re: Black Cement Roofs

golden1014
 

Hi George,


The black roof is correct for SAL as-delivered 1937 cars (SAL B-8 and B-9 class).


If you are modeling a car repainted in the mid/late 1950s, the roof should probably be freight car brown.  Photo evidence shows that the railroad repainted the entire carbody with a freight car brown ("BC Red") in that era.  


BTW, all the cars were delivered with steel running boards. 


On Rob Adams' Steam Freight Cars website there is a list of 1937 cars, made by Ed Hawkins and I think Ted Culotta as well, that covers the basic construction features of each SAL car series.  You will find that spreadsheet very helpful.  I have a half-dozen copies squirreled away around the house, and one buried in a jar in the back yard.  


Also, I did a rather extensive article in the SCL Modeler magazine some years ago and can help you with painting and lettering depending on your era.  If you want a copy of the article let me know.


John Golden

Albersbach, Germany


Re: Black Cement Roofs

Ed Hawkins
 

gsc3@yahoo.com [STMFC] wrote:

I've opened a SAL 1937 car kit and found a black cement roof. I think this must have been swapped with another kit but can't determine which kit. Besides Santa Fe, NKP and perhaps Erie can anyone tell me of another road that had the 1937 40' Boxcar, single or double door with a black cement roof?

Thanks,

George Courtney
George,
From the Pullman-Standard bills of materials for lot numbers 5768, 5803 (double doors), 5804, and 5806, the following paint identical specs were used for all four orders.

DuPont SAL Standard Color - Sides, ends, underframe, trucks
Black (Car Cement) - Roof
White (Snolite) - Stencils
Fire Plug Red - Monogram background

Repainted cars by railroad car shops are another matter.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Black Cement Roofs

Tim O'Connor
 

C&O (Viking), C&EI (Viking), W&LE (non-standard car)

I've opened a SAL 1937 car kit and found a black cement roof. I think this must have been swapped with another kit but can't determine which kit. Besides Santa Fe, NKP and perhaps Erie can anyone tell me of another road that had the 1937 40' Boxcar, single or double door with a black cement roof?


Thanks,

George Courtney


Re: L&N hopper far from home

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote :



    Certainly by World War I, and I believe earlier, stencils were used, then painters filled in the "stencil gaps" by hand.
===================

It was also possible to use lengths of wire in place of the stencil bars; this was often done when the stencils were made of sheet metal. The relatively thin round wire allowed the paint to flow around and under them, so there were no gaps to touch up, although on a newly stenciled car you could see the marks the wires left in the paint surface.

For those wondering, before the days when spray painting was common, stenciling was commonly done with "stencil brushes" round short bristled things that looked like stiff shaving brushes, used with a stippling motion. The paint used was commonly called "stencil paste" and was heavier bodied and less runny than standard paint. It was slow drying and tended to self level as it dried.

Dennis Storzek


NYC USRA DESIGN STEEL BOXCARS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Ted Culotta's STEAM ERA FREIGHT CARS REERENCE MANUAL VOLUME 1 has several good shots of the NYC USTA design steel
boxcars. The cars in several shots have been converted to an AB brake system. In these shots it is clear that the air reservoir is on
the same side of the cara as the brake cylinder. What I cannot determine is the location of the striple valve. Any help would
be greatly app[reciated.

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie


Re: L&N hopper far from home

Dave Parker
 

Tony:

Based on my rather small corner in space (the NE) and time (the mid-1930s), I am tempted to say "varied from painter to painter".  I dunno, maybe the  B&M painters were really enjoying their Guinness (or whatever was available back then), but it seems much easier to find multiple cars that were lettered differently than even two that were exactly the same.

Of course, this makes my life easier when working up (or buying) decals:  "close enough  is good enough" is a helpful motto when you have a handful (at most) of prototype photos to represent a car series numbering in the hundreds or (sometimes) the low thousands.  As always, YMMV.

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA




On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:25 PM, "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Dave Parker wrote:

 
I would concur with Tony, but would have said 'then some painters filled in the "stencil gaps" by hand.'

I have more than a couple of pre-WWII photos where the stencil gaps can be clearly seen in lettering 4" and smaller.  But generally not in the 7+" lettering, although there are exceptions to every rule..


       Good point, Dave, and I agree. I only wanted to observe that "non-stencil" letters were not hand-painted entirely. I would add that leaving stencil gaps varies from railroad to railroad, and depends also on era.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







2016 NE Proto Meet call for clinics and meet news

Dave Owens
 

P.S. -- Please excuse the cross posting and duplicate emails. Since we
are non-profit and
scramble to pay for the meet, one of the ways we reach people is
through various email lists. Thank you




Greetings all:

As you may have heard, the 2016 New England/Northeast Prototype
Modelers Meet is moving to a new location, the Holiday Inn in Enfield,
Conn. This year's meet, our 14th, is June 3-4, 2016.

The meet is two days of clinics, a large model display and layout open
houses on Sunday, June 5.

The new location will give the meet room to expand, a location to
gather for after hours socializing, a convenient place to stay and
plenty of parking! We’ll miss Collinsville and the community center,
but are enthusiastic about the new location. We are grateful to the
Amherst Railway Society for the assistance that is allowing us to take
this step forward.

We’ll be at the Amherst Society’s Railroad Hobby Show this weekend
(Jan. 30-31) in West Springfield, Mass. Please stop by our tables in
the Mallary Complex. We’ll be in section 149.

If you’re interested in presenting a clinic or other program, or
opening your layout to those who attend the meet, we’d
love to hear from you. Please contact Dave Owens at
neprotomeet@gmail.com. Your suggestions for clinics are also welcome.

We hope to offer at least three clinics at a time this year and we
hope to repeat several clinics. That’s been a goal for many years.
We’ll still have a large room for model display and vendors and manufacturers.

Admission is $30 in advance and $35 at the door. Please check our web
page for registration information, or register at this weekend’s show.

If you need lodging, we hope you’ll consider staying at the meet
hotel. The more people who stay a the hotel, the better our chances of
being able to continue at the Holiday Inn. The hotel is offering a
special rate for those attending the meet of $104 a night, which
includes breakfast.

We expect to have many great vendors and manufacturers back,
including: Bob's Photo, Ron's Books, Bethlehem Car Works, Funaro &
Camerlengo, ESU Loksound, Atlas, Rapido, Dave's Trains, the Hobby
Gallery, Greg Gordon, True Line Trains and Shortline Products. Several
more may join us.

You can make a reservation here. Our group code is ARS:
http://www.ihg.com/holidayinn/hotels/us/en/enfield/enfct/hoteldetail

Check our page on Facebook for updates: https://www.facebook.com/NERPM

Here’s our web page: http://www.neprototypemeet.com/Welcome.html

Thanks,

Dave Owens
Meet coordinator


Re: L&N hopper far from home

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Parker wrote:

 
I would concur with Tony, but would have said 'then some painters filled in the "stencil gaps" by hand.'

I have more than a couple of pre-WWII photos where the stencil gaps can be clearly seen in lettering 4" and smaller.  But generally not in the 7+" lettering, although there are exceptions to every rule..


       Good point, Dave, and I agree. I only wanted to observe that "non-stencil" letters were not hand-painted entirely. I would add that leaving stencil gaps varies from railroad to railroad, and depends also on era.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Black Cement Roofs

George Courtney
 

I've opened a SAL 1937 car kit and found a black cement roof.  I think this must have been swapped with another kit but can't determine which kit.  Besides Santa Fe, NKP and perhaps Erie can anyone tell me of another road that had the 1937 40' Boxcar, single or double door with a black cement roof?


Thanks,

George Courtney


Re: L&N hopper far from home

Dave Parker
 

I would concur with Tony, but would have said 'then some painters filled in the "stencil gaps" by hand.'

I have more than a couple of pre-WWII photos where the stencil gaps can be clearly seen in lettering 4" and smaller.  But generally not in the 7+" lettering, although there are exceptions to every rule.

Dave Parker
Riverside CA


Re: L&N hopper far from home

Tony Thompson
 

Lou Van Winkle wrote:

 
Lettering for modern freight cars is sprayed on using a stencil.
How about back in say 1900, was lettering stenciled on to a car, or would it have been hand painted ?

    Certainly by World War I, and I believe earlier, stencils were used, then painters filled in the "stencil gaps" by hand.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: L&N hopper far from home

Louis Van Winkle
 

Lettering for modern freight cars is sprayed on using a stencil.
How about back in say 1900, was lettering stenciled on to a car, or would it have been hand painted ?

Lou Van Winkle

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:55 PM, drgwrail@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Back some 30 years ago when I was working on an LV book I had a talk with a fellow who was a retired yardmaster of the LV  Coxton Yard..n


At the time I had a theory that the anthracite railroads had placed their hopper cars in some sort of pool since the business was declining and they didn't want to buy more cars.This was base on my observations and examining colliery photos.

The guy laughed at that saying that there wasn't much cooperation between railroads and if they needed cars the simply stored the other railroad's car until the LV needed them.As for the rules about sending off line cars back to their owners, they paid no attention to them and "violations were a problem for upper management to deal with". 

Todd, I am still here in Colorado and living in a retirement facility. Have lost all contact with the NY guys. Drop me a line. I am still at raildata@....

Chuck Yungkurth
Louisdville CO




Re: E-Bay Decals/ Decals that are too small

Benjamin Scanlon
 

If there are HO decals out there that are way too small for HO, as a TT scaler I would be happy to know ... beggars can't be choosers.  Anything that's only 75% of the size it should be or smaller, may be very useful.


Regards


Ben Scanlon


Re: Canadian Pacific 1932 ARA boxcar Question

Robert kirkham
 

Alternately, (also in HO) buy a custom built and painted model by Andy W. http://www.readytrain.com/catalog/cpr_1936box/cata/index.html

 

Rob Kirkham

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 7:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Canadian Pacific 1932 ARA boxcar Question

 



Most Canadians just us the F&C kit. It's probably cheaper than the Atlas at the end of the build, has the right roof and ends. The cars were lettered with plain(1936-1947) , spans the World (1947-1951), 3 step Gothic (1951-1963)or Script(1963-1967). All schemes are available from Black Cat.

A few may have made it to multimark but I have no records of that.

Allen Ferguson





Re: E-Bay Decals

Brad Andonian
 

I have purchased six sets: the SOO, D&H hopper and PRR cabin car.   I have the NYC, ATSF stock car and RDG boxcar sets coming.   The D&H set was incomplete [he replaced the missing data] however the real issue was the scale: way too small.


The PRR cabin car seems ok---except the PENNSYLVANIA is in G scale---   I used lettering from a boxcar set instead


I sent images last night to the seller informing him of this [with images] and asking if he scaled to a model or winged it.   No reply yet.


When I have had custom decals made, I sent images of the model with measurements to insure the proof fits the car and is accurate.     At this time I am not convinced this person took those steps.


Brad


Re: L&N hopper far from home

drgwrail
 

Back some 30 years ago when I was working on an LV book I had a talk with a fellow who was a retired yardmaster of the LV  Coxton Yard..n

At the time I had a theory that the anthracite railroads had placed their hopper cars in some sort of pool since the business was declining and they didn't want to buy more cars.This was base on my observations and examining colliery photos.

The guy laughed at that saying that there wasn't much cooperation between railroads and if they needed cars the simply stored the other railroad's car until the LV needed them.As for the rules about sending off line cars back to their owners, they paid no attention to them and "violations were a problem for upper management to deal with". 

Todd, I am still here in Colorado and living in a retirement facility. Have lost all contact with the NY guys. Drop me a line. I am still at raildata@....

Chuck Yungkurth
Louisdville CO


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