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Re: Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars

 

The decals might be rejuvenated with Microscale decal liquid.

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars







Dave,

Years ago Ambroid (IIRC) offered the Unicel car(s) in their 1 of 5000 series kits. Your friend might find one of these on Ebay, or at a swap meet. The instructions are really what he wants from the kit, which should give painting instructions. Decals, if they are still there, are likely to be toast.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/9/16 7:44 AM, 'North Model Railroad Supplies' nmrs@... [STMFC] wrote:






A friend of mine is working on the Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars that had bodies constructed of plywood laminated with plastic, if I understand him properly. They were apparently manufactured by PSCC in 1950 and MAY have gone to the ACL a few years later.





Apparently the car lettering and paint schemes are different, plus # 1950 has ice hatches, whilst # 1951 does not. Either or both may have a silver, white, or blue roof - photos do not make this clear.





He is designing decals and is looking for info on the lettering on either or both of these cars.





Plus he’s looking for good pictures/ dimensions for the cars' details, so an accurate model can be made of each - this includes the corner steps, coupler mounts, and the removable refrigeration unit mounted under #1951.





His aim is to scratchbuild models of both these cars in HO.





Thanks in advance for any help you can give.


Cheers


Dave North
















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Re: Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Dave,

Years ago Ambroid (IIRC) offered the Unicel car(s) in their 1 of 5000 series kits. Your friend might find one of these on Ebay, or at a swap meet. The instructions are really what he wants from the kit, which should give painting instructions. Decals, if they are still there, are likely to be toast.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 2/9/16 7:44 AM, 'North Model Railroad Supplies' nmrs@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

A friend of mine is working on the Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars that had bodies constructed of plywood laminated with plastic, if I understand him properly. They were apparently manufactured by PSCC in 1950 and MAY have gone to the ACL a few years later.

 

Apparently the car lettering and paint schemes are different, plus # 1950 has ice hatches, whilst # 1951 does not. Either or both may have a silver, white, or blue roof - photos do not make this clear.

 

He is designing decals and is looking for info on the lettering on either or both of these cars.

 

Plus he’s looking for good pictures/ dimensions for the cars' details, so an accurate model can be made of each - this includes the corner steps, coupler mounts, and the removable refrigeration unit mounted under #1951.

 

His aim is to scratchbuild models of both these cars in HO.

 

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Cheers

Dave North

 



The Winter 2016 Keystone Modeler (TKM) is available

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

The Winter 2016 issue of The Keystone Modeler (TKM #95), the free modeling eZine of the Pennsylvania Railroad Technical and Historical Society, is now available online.


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Auburn, AL

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Re: GN Omaha orange

Pierre Oliver
 

Yes indeed, how about S46.
Sorry, should have looked at the website.
Now for the jumping through hoops that is the process of getting that stuff into the "Great White North".
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 09/02/2016 8:51 AM, 'William Darnaby' wdarnaby@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

How about Scalecoat S46, GN Empire Builder Orange?

Bill Darnaby

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Can anyone suggest a reasonable match in Scalecoat for the GN Omaha orange?
And yes, it must be Scalecoat! :-)
It's a brass model and nothing bakes onto brass like Scalecoat.
Thanks

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www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

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Re: GN Omaha orange

william darnaby
 

How about Scalecoat S46, GN Empire Builder Orange?

Bill Darnaby

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Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:26 AM
To: "resinfreightcars "@yahoogroups.com; STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] GN Omaha orange

Can anyone suggest a reasonable match in Scalecoat for the GN Omaha orange?
And yes, it must be Scalecoat! :-)
It's a brass model and nothing bakes onto brass like Scalecoat.
Thanks

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www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



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Re: GN Omaha orange

Pierre Oliver
 

Well that makes it easy!
Thanks Brian
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/09/16 8:45 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

S1046 - Scalecoat I G N Empire Builder Orange 1 oz. Bottle
S2046 - Scalecoat II G N Empire Builder Orange 1 oz. Bottle

The above are hyperlinks to Minuteman Scale Models, the current owners of Scalecoat.

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List on behalf of STMFC List
Reply-To: STMFC List
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 7:25 AM
To: <"resinfreightcars "@yahoogroups.com>, STMFC List
Subject: [STMFC] GN Omaha orange

Can anyone suggest a reasonable match in Scalecoat for the GN Omaha orange?
And yes, it must be Scalecoat! :-)
It's a brass model and nothing bakes onto brass like Scalecoat.
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com





Re: GN Omaha orange

 

S1046 - Scalecoat I G N Empire Builder Orange 1 oz. Bottle
S2046 - Scalecoat II G N Empire Builder Orange 1 oz. Bottle

The above are hyperlinks to Minuteman Scale Models, the current owners of Scalecoat.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: STMFC List <STMFC@...> on behalf of STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 7:25 AM
To: <"resinfreightcars "@yahoogroups.com>, STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] GN Omaha orange







Can anyone suggest a reasonable match in Scalecoat for the GN Omaha orange?
And yes, it must be Scalecoat! :-)
It's a brass model and nothing bakes onto brass like Scalecoat.
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com








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GN Omaha orange

Pierre Oliver
 

Can anyone suggest a reasonable match in Scalecoat for the GN Omaha orange?
And yes, it must be Scalecoat! :-)
It's a brass model and nothing bakes onto brass like Scalecoat.
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Dave North asked:
"A friend of mine is working on the Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars that had bodies constructed of plywood laminated with plastic, if I understand him properly. They were apparently manufactured by PSCC in 1950 and MAY have gone to the ACL a few years later.
 
Apparently the car lettering and paint schemes are different, plus # 1950 has ice hatches, whilst # 1951 does not. Either or both may have a silver, white, or blue roof - photos do not make this clear.
 
He is designing decals and is looking for info on the lettering on either or both of these cars.
 
Plus he’s looking for good pictures/dimensions for the cars' details, so an accurate model can be made of each - this includes the corner steps, coupler mounts, and the removable refrigeration unit mounted under #1951.
 
His aim is to scratchbuild models of both these cars in HO.
 
Thanks in advance for any help you can give."

See Patrick Wider's "Early Lightweight House Cars" in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #26.  Article description from the online index at http://www.rpcycpub.com/RPCYC_Article_Index1-30.pdf  :

"Part of the continuing series covering American box car and refrigerator car designs, the article describes the lightweight 
aluminum and Unicel house car designs built during the 1940s to early 1950s. This includes box cars for 10 American and Canadian railroads (ACL, Alton, C&O, CN, CP, GN, M&StL, NKP, RI, RS) and refrigerator cars for FGEX, IC, and PFE."


Ben Hom


Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

A friend of mine is working on the Unicel 1950 and 1951 box cars/refrigerator cars that had bodies constructed of plywood laminated with plastic, if I understand him properly. They were apparently manufactured by PSCC in 1950 and MAY have gone to the ACL a few years later.

 

Apparently the car lettering and paint schemes are different, plus # 1950 has ice hatches, whilst # 1951 does not. Either or both may have a silver, white, or blue roof - photos do not make this clear.

 

He is designing decals and is looking for info on the lettering on either or both of these cars.

 

Plus he’s looking for good pictures/ dimensions for the cars' details, so an accurate model can be made of each - this includes the corner steps, coupler mounts, and the removable refrigeration unit mounted under #1951.

 

His aim is to scratchbuild models of both these cars in HO.

 

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

Cheers

Dave North

 


Re: Weathering Trucks

Jim Betz
 

Eric,

I have switched over to using "craft acrylics" for weathering. I have a
fairly large supply of the Delta Ceramcoat paints. They come in 4 oz.
bottles that cost less than an ounce bottle of any "RR paint".
I am not sure where to get them any more. I used to buy them at
Michael's or JoAnn's and the last time I was in either of those they
did not have them.
The thing to look for in a "craft acrylic" is the density of the pigment.
The cheaper brands don't put as much color in the paint.
I have a full complement of craft acrylic "earth tones". And often add
some colors that are well outside of that label (in -small- quantities).

I should add - I very rarely use an airbrush for my primary weathering
any more. It's been almost a decade not since I stopped doing that (more?).
Almost all of my -weathering- is done with detail touches (brush) and
'washes'. And runs of grime where roofs and doors drain. And "dry
brush" streaks. And ... well, you get the idea.
After I have the weathering where I like it I will hit the car with
a very light application of "dull coat" ... to lock it all in place ... and
then - some times - after it is fully dry (2 days or more later) I will apply
some very light "blending coats" of weathering colors (airbrush) ... usually
a lacquer such as Floquil and colors such as "grimy black" and "dust" and
"mud".
I also use artists chalks - in earth tones and blending several different
shades to get the color(s) that I want. I especially prefer chalks for
doing stuff like grain spills, cement spills, and iron ore spills.

** Trucks and Wheels **

I use all hand painting for weathering trucks and wheels.

For the trucks I -start- by doing the wheels! I do them by using a
fairly dense mix of color = usually either a dull rust (fully oxidized)
or grey (mud). All the wheels on each car get the same color - but
I try to have different wheel colors/shades on different cars. And
to have the wheels at least a couple of shades different from the
trucks. Just load the brush and insert it in against the axle and the
wheel face and turn the wheel with your finger. Don't paint the
tread!
Then I use an oxidized rust color and brush paint the truck side
frames with a paint thin enough to run and not show any 'ridges'.
I don't try to "cover" perfectly ... if some of the black plastic shows
thru behind the brown it's actually better ...
Finally - I add some dark 'charcoal' shade around the bearings
(lube boxes).

****

I don't have a "formula" for mixing weathering colors. I use a
few drops of each of black, white, burnt sienna, burnt umber,
dusty yellow, dark green ... etc., etc. etc. ... and mix them to my
whim for the day. The resulting shades are actually highly
-similar- ... but enough different that they "feel right".
One color I never apply/use is that orangey color that Floquil
sold as "rust". There actually is a way that steel/iron will look
that color ... but it doesn't last more than a few hours and is
rarely seen on any RR equipment (never?).
- Jim B.


Re: Weathering Trucks

pennsylvania1954
 

Eric--This may help in your search for a Poly S (and Floquil) replacement for Rail Brown.

Here is a chart from a Model Railroad Hobbyist discussion page with replacements for all your favorite colors:

Floquil Paint to Military Color Conversion Chart V1.2 | Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine | Having fun with model trains | Instant access to model railway resources without barriers

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: KCS "DF" Boxcar

Ed Hawkins
 

thekays100@... [STMFC] wrote:

Good point. I should have been more specific.

The car shown in the photo is a 40' plug door car, painted box car red. The lettering to the left of the door is minimal. Reporting marks "K.C.S." Car Number 1701, and data. Right of the door, a big rectangle with DF inside and the word "insulated" beneath, and the data. The lettering looks like it is white, and all is in Roman Style.
I am lousy at identifying car builders, etc., but this car has a "bowtie" style roof.
Of course, I have no way of knowing if the model is correct!
Stephen,
The description helps. The prototype cars were 5 PS-1 insulated box cars, KCS 1700-1704, built ca. 8-60 with 8' door openings & plug doors. Pullman-Standard built about 223 cars of this general type in July-September 1960 for CGW, KCS, Merchants Despatch (NRBX and NYRX reporting marks), and a single car for Trans-Leasing, TLCX 10. The roof and ends were proprietary components made by Pullman-Standard. Given these box cars were insulated, the PS-1 roof was the Z-U eave design as was typical on insulated box cars and reefers.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Lube markings practices?

Guy Wilber
 

Dennis wrote:

"The "Journal Pac", or references to "lubricators" also came very late in the history of solid bearings, post 1960 IIRC. Both are references to proprietary journal pads rather than loose waste."

AAR approved lubricating devices for plain bearings were required on all new and rebuilt cars as of January 1, 1957. Cars which received heavy repairs (over 100 hours of labor) were subject to the same rule.

Cars so equipped were required to receive a 1-1/2" stenciled block of contrasting color near the original packing or repack stencil. If the trade name of the device was applied to the car it was a requirement to maintain it as well.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: KCS "DF" Boxcar

hubert mask
 

Only offer this car in the 50 version as far as decals

Mask Island Decals .com

Hubert Mask. 


On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

"I came upon a photo in my files of a model of a 40-foot boxcar with interesting markings. It is a Kansas City Southern car, with "DF" in a rectangle to the right of the door. Since this photo was saved from someone's posted photos from a Prototype Modelers' Show somewhere, I do not feel comfortable posting it here, but I am interested in modeling this car. I have checked the ususal decal sources and cannot find the lettering for this."

"40 ft boxcar model" is really vague. Any other information - car number, type of boxcar? My Carnac the Magnificent imitation is pretty bad.

Ben Hom


Re: KCS "DF" Boxcar

StephenK
 

Good point.   I should have been more specific.

The car  shown in the photo is a 40' plug door car, painted box car red.   The lettering to the left of the door is minimal.   Reporting marks  "K.C.S." Car Number 1701, and data.    Right of the door, a big rectangle with  DF inside and the word "insulated" beneath, and the data.   The lettering looks like it is white, and all is in Roman Style.    

I am lousy at identifying car builders, etc., but this car has a "bowtie" style roof. 

Of course, I have no way of knowing if the model is correct!


S Kay


Re: Odd 4 rivet wide vertical seam boxcar

Riverboy
 

The flat car behind (in front of?) the box car intrigues me as well. An interesting load.

Tod C Dwyer (Ohio)


On Monday, February 8, 2016 8:58 PM, "Schleigh Mike mike_schleigh@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
This car that Gary has asked about appears to be a 1951 rebuilt car from MP 47000 series. The rivet (and stenciling) pattern seems more affected by the blurred image rather than the design.  See RP CYC 14 page 37 for a better image.

Regards----Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna


On Monday, February 8, 2016 8:39 PM, "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
This is a partially blurred picture but the 4 rivet wide vertical seams on the side of the car do stand out as well as the extra width added.  Does anyone recognize this boxcar?
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock





Re: Odd 4 rivet wide vertical seam boxcar

Schleigh Mike
 

This car that Gary has asked about appears to be a 1951 rebuilt car from MP 47000 series. The rivet (and stenciling) pattern seems more affected by the blurred image rather than the design.  See RP CYC 14 page 37 for a better image.

Regards----Mike Schleigh  Grove City, Penna


On Monday, February 8, 2016 8:39 PM, "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
This is a partially blurred picture but the 4 rivet wide vertical seams on the side of the car do stand out as well as the extra width added.  Does anyone recognize this boxcar?
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock



Re: KCS "DF" Boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

"I came upon a photo in my files of a model of a 40-foot boxcar with interesting markings. It is a Kansas City Southern car, with "DF" in a rectangle to the right of the door. Since this photo was saved from someone's posted photos from a Prototype Modelers' Show somewhere, I do not feel comfortable posting it here, but I am interested in modeling this car. I have checked the ususal decal sources and cannot find the lettering for this."

"40 ft boxcar model" is really vague. Any other information - car number, type of boxcar? My Carnac the Magnificent imitation is pretty bad.


Ben Hom


KCS "DF" Boxcar

StephenK
 

I came upon a photo in my files  of a model of a 40-foot boxcar with interesting markings.   It is a Kansas City Southern car, with "DF" in a rectangle to the right of the door.  Since this photo was saved from someone's posted photos from a Prototype Modelers' Show somewhere, I do not feel comfortable posting it here, but I am interested in modeling this car.   I have checked the ususal decal sources and cannot find the lettering for this.   

I suppose I could piece this together but I would need more info.   Before I go that route I would like to make sure that a decal set doesn't exist.


Does anyone know if these decals are available?



Stephen Kay

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