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Re: USRA SS boxcar underframe question

Robert kirkham
 

Actually, not Tichy. I know they offered a 7/8 end, but I always felt it wasn't right for the CPR cars. The biggest practical issue was the length of the ribs, which I felt did not terminate the right distance from the corners - they look too short. https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ends/p/3058/Default.aspx That's probably not a significant consideration for a fleet car for most folks, but as a CPR modeler it was something I wanted to address. In addition they come with the cast on end ladder stiles.

I toyed with cutting Accurail ends off their SS 7/8 end cars, as they look right for the CPR fleet. Trouble is they are a margin too slim for the Tichy cars. Instead of sawing the Tichy cars in half to narrow that smidgen, I am 3d printing my own ends. <https://www.shapeways.com/product/N5U6238UF/ho-7-8-murphy-end-for-usra-ss-boxcar?li=shop-results&optionId=1883358> Costly for more than a couple of cars, so I will add Archer rivets etc and then find a way to have them cast.

Rob Kirkham

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Don Valentine wrote:
"I have wondered about a CPR conversion of the Tichy USRA single sheathed boxcar as well. Now I am wondering whose 7/8 Murphy ends you might be using."

Tichy. He offered the CPR car as kit #4034 and the 7/8 ends separately as part #3058.

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_freight-car-kits/p/4034/Default.aspx https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ends/p/3058/Default.aspx


Ben Hom


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The Stan Rydarowitz Collection

m repka
 

To all my FB friends who knew Stan Rydarowicz. Beginning Sunday evening I will start listing some of Stan's material on EBay. I will try to do approximately 10 or more per week as my time permits. This is a labor of love for a good friend who is no longer with us. I am doing this with the permission of Diane Rydarowicz who is Stan's executor.
My EBay user ID is Marksd45.
I will also use the term
"Rydarowicz train collection" in the description fields.
Please feel free to share this on the various RR model and Historical Society pages.
I have a 100% rating and I generally start the auctions on Sunday evenings.
Stan has some exquisite models and this will be a fair way to ensure anyone has and equal shot at this material.
There will also be some items that are not as unique sold at the Youngstown Model RR Flea Market at McMenamys Banquet Hall in Niles OH on April 10th

Mark


Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals

Jerry Hamsmith
 

Accurate CB&Q XM-32 decals in HO scale have been and are available from me.  The decals are appropriate for any of the cars from this class built between 1940 and 1953.  The decals are in the appropriate railroad roman white lettering and include the Everywhere West and Way of the Zephyrs script slogans as well as the boxed Burlington Route herald used on these boxcar red cars before 1958.  I have other CB&Q decals available also.  Anyone interested should contact me, off list, at hammersr@...

Jerry Hamsmith


Re: Red Caboose ARA 1923 boxcar

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 2/14/2016 9:10 AM, carl roberts eagleu18b@... [STMFC] wrote:
said they did not have enough parts sprues to complete a kit at this time

    Does IM still shoot the sprues in the US?  I know most details but it's been a few years since I've been there!

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For me time stopped in 1941
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Re: NYC train consists

A&Y Dave in MD
 

You've given me a model for sharing my Southern Railway 1934 train info! Right now it is still PDF scans and a growing Excel spreadsheet.

I can easily convert to html tables.

Dave

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On Feb 13, 2016, at 6:27 PM, trlink@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 


I have just completed another 627 NYC train consists covering a Toledo-Fort
Wayne way freight and 3 branches that radiate out of Hillsdale, Michigan in
the years 1933-1936 and 1941-1944. Adding these to the previous consists
brings a total of 1325 trains listed on the website.

Toledo Airline - 334 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-airline.htm

Ypsilanti Branch - 150 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-ypsilanti.htm

Fort Wayne Branch - 126 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-fortwayne.htm

Lansing Branch - 17 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-lansing.htm

Previous consists:
Western Division - 45 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-western.htm

Toledo-Lake Division - 641 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-toledo.htm

Canada Southern - 12 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-caso.htm

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: USRA SS boxcar underframe question

Benjamin Hom
 

Don Valentine wrote:
"I have wondered about a CPR conversion of the Tichy USRA single sheathed boxcar as well. Now I am wondering whose 7/8 Murphy ends you might be using."

Tichy. He offered the CPR car as kit #4034 and the 7/8 ends separately as part #3058.

https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_freight-car-kits/p/4034/Default.aspx https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ends/p/3058/Default.aspx


Ben Hom


Re: Red Caboose ARA 1923 boxcar

carl roberts
 

Spoke to them last week about this very car( ex RED CABOOSE #7003, I need 6 myself). They called me back two days latter and said they did not have enough parts sprues to complete a kit at this time, however if I see them offering a run of RTR 1923 ARA cars to call them and they could add undec kits to the run. No indication when that might be.  

Carl Roberts


On Saturday, February 13, 2016 10:34 PM, "Mark P Stamm mark@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Does anyone know if Intermountain plans to offer undec kits for the Red Caboose ARA 1923 box car?

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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Re: NYC train consists

Eric Hansmann
 

What fabulous windows into the past! Thank you, Terry!


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX 


On February 13, 2016 at 4:27 PM "trlink@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:



I have just completed another 627 NYC train consists covering a Toledo-Fort
Wayne way freight and 3 branches that radiate out of Hillsdale, Michigan in
the years 1933-1936 and 1941-1944. Adding these to the previous consists
brings a total of 1325 trains listed on the website.

Toledo Airline - 334 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-airline.htm

Ypsilanti Branch - 150 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-ypsilanti.htm

Fort Wayne Branch - 126 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-fortwayne.htm

Lansing Branch - 17 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-lansing.htm

Previous consists:
Western Division - 45 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-western.htm

Toledo-Lake Division - 641 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-toledo.htm

Canada Southern - 12 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-caso.htm

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
www.canadasouthern.com


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Re: USRA SS boxcar underframe question

riverman_vt@...
 

Hello Rod,

     I have wondered about a CPR conversion of the Tichy USRA single sheathed
boxcar as well. Now I am wondering whose 7/8 Murphy ends you might be using.
Have you found any other major modifications other than the mentioned stringers?

Thank you, Don Valentine
 


Centralia UP ccabooses.

asychis@...
 

I hope this is appropriate to post.  Please reply off list.  I am looking for one or two of these cabooses in the red oxide scheme (already assembled or still in kit form). Got a surprise project for a good friend.
 
Thanks,
 
Jerry Michels
 


Re: NYC train consists

Rob M.
 

Much great information there Terry.  Thank you!

A quick perusal shows more than a few interesting things.

A Northampton and Bath NYC USRA clone box car loaded with (bagged) cement at least 500 miles from the originating point in the cement belt of PA:

1942 Train Consist

 


 

A Pacific Electric B-50-14 car number 2735 loaded with wallboard:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-020742.htm


Eight days later, PE 2735  mt, routed to Chicago
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-021542-2.htm

Three days later PE 2735 loaded with hay, routed to Tampa!
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-021842-2.htm 

 


Rob Mondichak.


Red Caboose ARA 1923 boxcar

Mark Stamm
 

Does anyone know if Intermountain plans to offer undec kits for the Red Caboose ARA 1923 box car?

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks to all who too the time to reply.  Great feedback and I really appreciate your help
Fenton Wells


Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals

Douglas Harding
 

Fenton you might want to take a look at this page http://www.burlingtonroute.com/docs/modelling/painting.html

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Bx-26 in SL Map scheme

John Barry
 

No, Mark, you didn't miss anything.  I just brought in a reply to an off line query about the Bx-26 that I thought would benefit the group. The Bx-26 and Bx-27 were delivered in the pre map scheme and I have discovered what may be the only photo that shows a Bx-26 in the map scheme. The car appears in the background of an Ft-N photo in the CSRM library. 


 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Mark P Stamm mark@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bx-26 in SL Map scheme

 
John

What photograph are you referring to. Did I miss a post. 

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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On Feb 12, 2016, at 1:30 PM, John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 


I checked my notes and confirmed.  The photographer is standing on and photographing the Ft-N newly modified for B-29 wing loading and caught  a fortuitous example of the three Santa Fe Duryea underframe box car classes lined up, Bx-26, Bx-27, and Bx-34.  .  Bx-26 ATSF 136027 appears as the first of three box cars of increasing height spotted on the curve of the track holding the Ft-N.  There is a note with a circled "S" No 4 over 7-8-43 in the lower right corner of the print.  It was either in the Ft-N or B-29 wing loading folder at the CSRM library.  The three box cars all have similarly spaced and shaped side tabs and all are painted with the Straight Line Map scheme.  The last car displays the map, the first two including the Bx-26 are stenciled with the Grand Canyon Line slogan.  All three appear to be fresh out of the paint shop.  With the number of the Bx-26 very readable, the side tab configuration and increasing height of the cars, I believe that these are in fact examples of all three Duryea UF box car classes.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



Re: CB&Q 1952 boxcar paint and decals

Allan Smith
 

The paint mix guide from RPC shows under Red Browns CB&Q Floquil 1 part #88 to 3 parts #175. Of course you can add a little grey to simulate fading.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


On Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:50 AM, "srrfan1401@... [STMFC]"


 
I want to paint a steel boxcar for the early 1950s for CB&Q in HO.  Can anyone give me the model paint(lacquer) and decal sources.  I have plenty of Floquil and Scale Coat II.  I see Microscale has the wood boxcar decals will they work?  I don't know much about the CB&Q.
Thanking you all in advance
Fenton Wells



USRA SS boxcar underframe question

Robert kirkham
 

I’m working on a bunch of Tichy USRA SS boxcar kits, converting them to CPR using 7/8 Murphy ends etc.  I am wanting to change details as I go to match the prototype fairly closely. 

As I was looking at the model underframe and the USRA drawings I noticed (among other things) there are no stringers – i.e. no length wise frame supports outboard of the centre sills.  The lengthwise framing shown is comprised of just the two centre sills and the two side sills.  Cross members or cross bearers (I can never recall what the difference means) tie the sills together between the bolsters.  This is consistent in the CPR drawings I have obtain.  <http://www.cptracks.ca/data/Mechanical_Drawings_Freight/H-417_USRA_Clone_1920.pdf>

One noteworthy difference between the original USRA design and the CPR cars was a grain hopper beneath the side doors on the CPR car.  These were removed in the late 1930s, so not part of my models.  But the removal of the hoppers did give me reason to think the frames may have changed or been different from original design.  So I looked for photos.  And there in the photos, between side sills and centre sills, runs what I initially took to be a stringer.  Actually, it isn’t one long piece from bolster to bolster.  Instead, it is a series of short pieces (each roughly 3.5’ to 4’ long) bolted between each pair of cross members, for the length of the car (between body bolsters).

I’d love to know if these were “as built” in spite of the drawings, or a later reinforcement.  The photos were of preserved equipment, taken this century, so no guide to how things were in the 1940s.  I’m also curious whether this was part of the construction of other USRA SS cars – in spite of no mention in the drawings?

By the way, looking over the Tichy kits and de-spruing parts,  I’ve noticed that over the various kits I have collected, the underframe components have changed subtly over time.  Some of the centre sill pieces came with cast in place styrene brake hangers; others were designed with small notches into which separate brake hanger parts were to be glued.  The sprues are also different over time.  Who knew the kit was being modified – ha!  I was oblivious.  Anyhow, FYI.

Rob Kirkham

 


Re: Bx-26 in SL Map scheme

Mark Stamm
 

John

What photograph are you referring to. Did I miss a post. 

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

Sent from my mobile device

On Feb 12, 2016, at 1:30 PM, John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 



I checked my notes and confirmed.  The photographer is standing on and photographing the Ft-N newly modified for B-29 wing loading and caught  a fortuitous example of the three Santa Fe Duryea underframe box car classes lined up, Bx-26, Bx-27, and Bx-34.  .  Bx-26 ATSF 136027 appears as the first of three box cars of increasing height spotted on the curve of the track holding the Ft-N.  There is a note with a circled "S" No 4 over 7-8-43 in the lower right corner of the print.  It was either in the Ft-N or B-29 wing loading folder at the CSRM library.  The three box cars all have similarly spaced and shaped side tabs and all are painted with the Straight Line Map scheme.  The last car displays the map, the first two including the Bx-26 are stenciled with the Grand Canyon Line slogan.  All three appear to be fresh out of the paint shop.  With the number of the Bx-26 very readable, the side tab configuration and increasing height of the cars, I believe that these are in fact examples of all three Duryea UF box car classes.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


NYC train consists

Terry Link
 

I have just completed another 627 NYC train consists covering a Toledo-Fort
Wayne way freight and 3 branches that radiate out of Hillsdale, Michigan in
the years 1933-1936 and 1941-1944. Adding these to the previous consists
brings a total of 1325 trains listed on the website.

Toledo Airline - 334 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-airline.htm

Ypsilanti Branch - 150 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-ypsilanti.htm

Fort Wayne Branch - 126 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-fortwayne.htm

Lansing Branch - 17 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-lansing.htm

Previous consists:
Western Division - 45 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-western.htm

Toledo-Lake Division - 641 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-toledo.htm

Canada Southern - 12 trains
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/freight-consists-caso.htm

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario
www.canadasouthern.com


New Haven AAR Roof question NHRHTA Shoreliner ~ Question

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
I have a question regarding the terminology used in the folios of the cars regarding the "type" of roof. It clearly states that the roof were "Hutchins Dry Lading riveted type all steel". I am very familiar with what we refer to as the Hutchins Dry Lading roof and it's appearance. I guess my question really is was the "raise flat panel roof" the standard that the car part suppliers were stamping at the time? Was this under a licence agreement to another producer. The photos show a flat rectangular raised panel
 
I don't want to start a thread regarding the misuse of terminology so please let's not go there. I just wanted to know if there was a "stamping" or "design" that all the parts suppliers were using under an agreement?
 
Maybe this is a rhetorical but I really just want to confirm it.
 
TIA
 
Greg Martin    
 
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