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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Mark Stamm
 

Al, bill and Greg 

Thanks for the direction.  I downloaded the 2010 S&T PDF I'll give it a read this weekend. I knew it could not be as easy as a few quick cuts🙁

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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On Feb 18, 2016, at 9:22 PM, tgregmrtn@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Mark,
 
This will result in a stand in at best. There is no simple way to do this except for a bash with the Athearn car.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 2/18/2016 3:37:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year.

Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
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Re: Blog

Tony Thompson
 

Ted Culotta wrote:

 
To avoid any wasted bandwidth, long threads and discussions, rumors, innuendo, etc., I am aware that my blog, prototopics.blogspot.com, that often covers topics related to Steam Era Freight Cars, has been removed, deleted or whatever it is called, by the good folks at Google. 

     Seems okay at the moment.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Blog

Tim O'Connor
 

Ted

I just went there -- no problems at all.

Tim




To avoid any wasted bandwidth, long threads and discussions, rumors, innuendo, etc., I am aware that my blog, prototopics.blogspot.com, that often covers topics related to Steam Era Freight Cars, has been removed, deleted or whatever it is called, by the good folks at Google. They suspected that it was some sort of phishing operation (if only it was that easy to make money in a model railroad related field.) I have begun their appeal process and I am sure that in about 365 days they will find in their favor (I am hopeful that is in alignment with reinstating the blog.) I'll let you all know what happens. Back to regular programming. I'll try to finis the F29 flat car by the time they reinstate the blog.

Cheers,
Ted


Re: Corection: Enhanced kit for M&StL post-war 10'0" box car

Douglas Harding
 

Clark Propst wrote an article on modeling the Green M&StL boxcars in the Feb 2008 RMC, p 77. In the article he shows how he modified InterMountain Youngstown doors from a 5/6/6 to a 4/6/6 configuration.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Greg Martin
 

Correct he did and then John Greedy pointed out why it doesn't really work and Mont was in Oh Well mode.  3^(
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 2/18/2016 6:22:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Mont Switzer did this kitbash instead of using the  Athearn gon for the Cocoa beach "Shake & Take" DT&I gon project. Suggest you join the S&T group and explore the resources there.


Bill Welch


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Greg Martin
 

Mark,
 
This will result in a stand in at best. There is no simple way to do this except for a bash with the Athearn car.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 2/18/2016 3:37:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year.

Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Bill Welch
 

Mont Switzer did this kitbash instead of using the  Athearn gon for the Cocoa beach "Shake & Take" DT&I gon project. Suggest you join the S&T group and explore the resources there.

Bill Welch


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

al_brown03
 

The DT&I gondola, some later sold to the GM&O, is the prototype for the 2010 Cocoa Beach Shake & Take project. A handout with photos is in the files of the Shake_N_Take group, and some members of that group may have decals.


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Mark Stamm
 

I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year.

Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

al_brown03
 

Mm ... the RP CYC 4 article covers only the phosphate hoppers built after 1935, i.e. not the "Ambroid" cars.


AL B.


Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

Scott H. Haycock
 

The Phosphate Covered Hoppers were covered in RPC #4, unfortunately, out of print.



Scott Haycock


 

Just a P.S. to my post.  I do remember hearing that there was a RPC article on phosphate cars and the ACL/SBD mag may have had an article way back when.  So far, I have had no luck acquiring either of them.  I would really like to find something online that I can download.



Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

al_brown03
 

There's a Larry Goolsby article in Lines South, 3rd/1994 pp 4-11, on ACL and SAL freight cars from the Standard Steel Car Company. He identifies the Ambroid model as ACL 8075-8174, class U-4 (SSC, 1920), and shows a builder's photo of ACL 8174. This photo also appears in the 1922 Car Builder's Cyc, p 174, and Train Shed Cyc 62, p 220. Mr Goolsby has another article in Lines South, 1st/2002 pp 4-13, on ACL phosphate hoppers in general; the U-4 class is listed but not shown.


Hth,


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936

 

The first blank was flawed and rejected.  It’s on display at the Corning Museum. – Al Westerfield
 

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936
 
 

The mirror blank was made by Corning Incorporated (probably still the Corning Glass Works at that time) in Corning NY or Canton NY, hence the NYC freight cars.

Todd Sullivan
Liverpool NY
(ex-Corning employee)


Re: Corection: Enhanced kit for M&StL post-war 10'0" box car

Schleigh Mike
 

Thumbing through some old TRAINS Andy----

I found on the back cover of the July 1952 issue a full-page ad from the M&StL announcing the purchase of 700 new "GREEN and GOLD BOX CARS on the M. & St. L.  Green Cars with Gold Markings!"  The ad went on to point out that practically all the 750,000 box cars on the American railroads were (box car) Red.  They  were using something new to tell the world about "Fast M. & St. L. Freight Service in the Great Midwest."  Nice side view of M&St L 4382.  Cars were 4000-4398, even numbers.

Thanks again for making up this kit----Mike Schleigh


On Monday, February 1, 2016 10:13 AM, "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
I responded to quickly to Clark's query. I don't have enough for 6 more M&StL kits, as I am out of the South West Production doors for this project. I will post to the list when I get replacements.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

 
Andy, If you let the customer buy decals from Mark Vaughan can you supply more part kits?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa







Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

John Sykes III
 

Just a P.S. to my post.  I do remember hearing that there was a RPC article on phosphate cars and the ACL/SBD mag may have had an article way back when.  So far, I have had no luck acquiring either of them.  I would really like to find something online that I can download.


Re: Hazard decals

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Jim
Thank you.
Paul Doggett UK




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"James E Kubanick jekuban@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Paul,

That would be Microscae 87-975. In addition, this set contains placards for non-tank cars. This set covers the period 1945-1970. Avery useful set.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV




On Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:59 AM, "'paul.doggett2472' paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:


 
Hi guys

Someone posted the microscale decal sheet number with hazard signs for tank cars could any one please advise on the ho sheet number.
Many thanks Paul Doggett UK


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Re: Hazard decals

James E Kubanick
 

Paul,

That would be Microscae 87-975. In addition, this set contains placards for non-tank cars. This set covers the period 1945-1970. Avery useful set.

Jim Kubanick
Morgantown WV




On Thursday, February 18, 2016 7:59 AM, "'paul.doggett2472' paul.doggett2472@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Hi guys

Someone posted the microscale decal sheet number with hazard signs for tank cars could any one please advise on the ho sheet number.
Many thanks Paul Doggett UK


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Re: GM&O Gon

william darnaby
 

Thanks, Ed. This really helps. The model has Dreadnaught ends so it must
be lot 2694 and, therefore, the included aluminum lettering is incorrect.
Of course one could make the case that the car had been repainted in the
1949 scheme but that ice seems a little thin for wandering out on. I will
follow the leads provided on this list for white lettering.



Bill Darnaby





Bill,

GM&O had four series of similar gondola cars built by ACF from 1944 to 1953
in series 13000-13124 (lot 2694, 8-44), 13500-13599 (lot 3297, 12-48),
13600-14099 (lot 3395, 9-49), and 14400-14799 (lot 4120, 10-53). The 1944
cars had fixed Dreadnaught while the other three had fixed Improved
Dreadnaught Ends. All cars came with riveted steel floors.



The following paint specs come from ACF bills of materials for the first 3
series and ACF drawing 220-7904 for the last series.



Lot 2694: Sherwin-Williams Black - outside of sides & ends, trucks, Milar
black car cement - u/f; white - stencils.



Lot 3297: Black (semi-flat) -entire car; white - stencils.



Lot 3395: Black car cement - entire body, u/f; black paint - trucks;
aluminum - stencils.



Lot 4120: Flintkote #1 Black Car Cement - outside of sides & ends, u/f;
black paint - AB brake parts, trucks; Prismo reflecting glass beads -
reporting marks, car numbers; aluminum - all other stencils.



One additional series 14100-14399 was built in 1952 by Pullman-Standard (lot
8032), however, I don't have paint specs for these cars.



Hope this helps.

Regards,

Ed Hawkins


Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936

Gerry Fitzgerald
 

I have been working on an article on the lens movement by rail for Classic Trains and hope to hand it in shortly. It is a really interesting story.

Gerard

Gerard J. Fitzgerald
Charlottesville, Virginia


Ambroid Phosphate Cars

John Sykes III
 

Probably has come up before, but I’ve got a question for the ACL types (Uncle Joe, etc.).  Has anyone seen photos of the prototype of the Ambroid 1 in 5000 phosphate covered hopper?  I’ve searched and searched, bought two books on ACL freight cars and no luck.  There are tons of photos online of the model and I’ve found some photos that are similar, but none dead-on.  I also cannot find an ORER with them listed as-built.  I bought two kits that were already built and have a third unbuilt kit but would like to know more about the prototype.


I think they might have originally been built as open-top ballast hoppers (Rogers?) then had the wood superstructure added to them with the unusual side loading doors.  The other unusual feature is the center discharge hoppers.  Finally, I suspect that these cars may have had the wood tops removed later, since there are similar open top hoppers listed in the 1954 ORER but mostly with saw-tooth outlets.


I think the correct series for these cars may be 8100-8199, but am not even sure of that.  Help!!!


-- John


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