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DT&I gon - a perpsective

Ted Culotta
 

Like Dan, I had looked strongly at the Proto 2000 route. I mocked it up digitally. You can see the layout here:

I hope this helps some in their efforts.

Ted

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Want to Buy - Railway Prototype Cyc Vol 18

Mark Stamm
 

Please contact off list mark at euphoriatt dot com.

 

Mark Stamm

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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Daniel Kohlberg
 

I prefer to save the phrase "stand in at best" for some other project.

I built my GM&O cars from my stash of P2K kits in 2005 or so.  Maybe I am missing something, but...

-The P2K gon allows me to get the right length in 2 major cuts.  The Athearn Gon requires 6 major cuts. (4 to shorten body, 2 to remove ends)

-The P2K Gon gives me the right ends.  The Athearn route requires scratch built or custom cast ends.

-The P2K Gon give me the right underframe, trimmed similar to the body, complete with brake gear.  The Athearn Gon has an incorrect drop centersill with no brake gear.

-The P2K Gon has correct stirrups, grabs etc. out of the box,  It also gives me interior and floor detail.

-The P2K Gon is a finer level of tooling, and just as cheap.  Who didn't buy stacks of P2K kits back in the day for $5?

-And even more importantly for me: my P2k cars were a 2-day project.

I understand the merits of a Shake and Take project, and that things are donated for some group fun and group execution of the same model.  But I really don't care about that. 

The Athearn Gon just seems like the long way to go, even if it is "free."  Yes, I do get a slightly cheated floor height with the P2K Gon.  Yes, the 4 middle ribs on the side drop are a hair short on a P2K kitbash.  This can be fixed with some styrene modeling.  Perhaps some of us consider that easier than scratch building ends and dealing with the shortcomings of a 50 year old Athearn kludge. 

Have a great weekend everyone!

Dan Kohlberg

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Mark,
 
This will result in a stand in at best. There is no simple way to do this except for a bash with the Athearn car.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 2/18/2016 3:37:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year.

Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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this appears to be Andy Carlson's work bench

gary laakso
 

While it may appear to be on the CNW, all those freight car truck parts have to be his:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 


Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936

James Babcock
 

Definitely like to see the model photos
Jim


On Friday, February 19, 2016 5:18 AM, "'Earl Tuson' etuson@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
> Catching up on historical society pubs and came across John Signor's "Santa Fe and the Stars" in the 3rd Quarter 2015
issue of the SFRH&MS Warbonnet documenting the delivery of a 200" mirror blank from Pyrex via Santa Fe Extra 3157 on
May 12, 1936.

There is an HO model display of these cars with their load located at the observatory museum. I didn't have my FC
resources with me at the time to check every tiny detail, but the models were clearly built by a prototype modeler. I may be
able to dig up photos of the models that we took if anyone cares to see them.

Earl Tuson



Re: Corection: Enhanced kit for M&StL post-war 10'0" box car

Clark Propst
 

Mike Schleigh wrote: “I found on the back cover of the July 1952 issue a full-page ad from the M&StL announcing the purchase of 700 new "GREEN and GOLD BOX CARS on the M. & St. L.  Green Cars with Gold Markings!"
 
Depends on your definition of gold...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
 


Re: Blog

Ted Culotta
 

Google replied yesterday that all was good and it was a software error that flagged the blog. No harm done...

Cheers,
Ted Culotta


Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936

Earl Tuson
 

Catching up on historical society pubs and came across John Signor's "Santa Fe and the Stars" in the 3rd Quarter 2015
issue of the SFRH&MS Warbonnet documenting the delivery of a 200" mirror blank from Pyrex via Santa Fe Extra 3157 on
May 12, 1936.

There is an HO model display of these cars with their load located at the observatory museum. I didn't have my FC
resources with me at the time to check every tiny detail, but the models were clearly built by a prototype modeler. I may be
able to dig up photos of the models that we took if anyone cares to see them.

Earl Tuson


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Mark Stamm
 

Al, bill and Greg 

Thanks for the direction.  I downloaded the 2010 S&T PDF I'll give it a read this weekend. I knew it could not be as easy as a few quick cuts🙁

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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On Feb 18, 2016, at 9:22 PM, tgregmrtn@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Mark,
 
This will result in a stand in at best. There is no simple way to do this except for a bash with the Athearn car.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 2/18/2016 3:37:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year.

Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

Sent from my mobile device


Re: Blog

Tony Thompson
 

Ted Culotta wrote:

 
To avoid any wasted bandwidth, long threads and discussions, rumors, innuendo, etc., I am aware that my blog, prototopics.blogspot.com, that often covers topics related to Steam Era Freight Cars, has been removed, deleted or whatever it is called, by the good folks at Google. 

     Seems okay at the moment.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Blog

Tim O'Connor
 

Ted

I just went there -- no problems at all.

Tim




To avoid any wasted bandwidth, long threads and discussions, rumors, innuendo, etc., I am aware that my blog, prototopics.blogspot.com, that often covers topics related to Steam Era Freight Cars, has been removed, deleted or whatever it is called, by the good folks at Google. They suspected that it was some sort of phishing operation (if only it was that easy to make money in a model railroad related field.) I have begun their appeal process and I am sure that in about 365 days they will find in their favor (I am hopeful that is in alignment with reinstating the blog.) I'll let you all know what happens. Back to regular programming. I'll try to finis the F29 flat car by the time they reinstate the blog.

Cheers,
Ted


Re: Corection: Enhanced kit for M&StL post-war 10'0" box car

Douglas Harding
 

Clark Propst wrote an article on modeling the Green M&StL boxcars in the Feb 2008 RMC, p 77. In the article he shows how he modified InterMountain Youngstown doors from a 5/6/6 to a 4/6/6 configuration.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Greg Martin
 

Correct he did and then John Greedy pointed out why it doesn't really work and Mont was in Oh Well mode.  3^(
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 2/18/2016 6:22:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Mont Switzer did this kitbash instead of using the  Athearn gon for the Cocoa beach "Shake & Take" DT&I gon project. Suggest you join the S&T group and explore the resources there.


Bill Welch


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Greg Martin
 

Mark,
 
This will result in a stand in at best. There is no simple way to do this except for a bash with the Athearn car.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 2/18/2016 3:37:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year.

Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

Sent from my mobile device


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Bill Welch
 

Mont Switzer did this kitbash instead of using the  Athearn gon for the Cocoa beach "Shake & Take" DT&I gon project. Suggest you join the S&T group and explore the resources there.

Bill Welch


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

al_brown03
 

The DT&I gondola, some later sold to the GM&O, is the prototype for the 2010 Cocoa Beach Shake & Take project. A handout with photos is in the files of the Shake_N_Take group, and some members of that group may have decals.


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Mark Stamm
 

I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year.

Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

Sent from my mobile device


Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

al_brown03
 

Mm ... the RP CYC 4 article covers only the phosphate hoppers built after 1935, i.e. not the "Ambroid" cars.


AL B.


Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

Scott H. Haycock
 

The Phosphate Covered Hoppers were covered in RPC #4, unfortunately, out of print.



Scott Haycock


 

Just a P.S. to my post.  I do remember hearing that there was a RPC article on phosphate cars and the ACL/SBD mag may have had an article way back when.  So far, I have had no luck acquiring either of them.  I would really like to find something online that I can download.



Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

al_brown03
 

There's a Larry Goolsby article in Lines South, 3rd/1994 pp 4-11, on ACL and SAL freight cars from the Standard Steel Car Company. He identifies the Ambroid model as ACL 8075-8174, class U-4 (SSC, 1920), and shows a builder's photo of ACL 8174. This photo also appears in the 1922 Car Builder's Cyc, p 174, and Train Shed Cyc 62, p 220. Mr Goolsby has another article in Lines South, 1st/2002 pp 4-13, on ACL phosphate hoppers in general; the U-4 class is listed but not shown.


Hth,


Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

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