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new file - trains 60,61

Clark Propst
 

A friend acquired a conductors log of train he was on from the middle of June into July of 1953 and lent to me to transcribe. The trains ran N/S from west of the Twin Cities through SW Minnesota and a little ways into NW Iowa. It’s interesting that all but a handful of railroads have representatives in these little trains running in the middle of nowhere.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: DT&I gon - a perpsective

riverman_vt@...
 

     Hopefully someone will take up the project of these DT&I decals.
These DT&I gons should be of interest to many modelers, especially
if located along a route between Detroit/Dearborn, MI and a Ford
assembly plant. That is my case here in Northern Vermont. These
cars are known to have made it onto the CPR at Lambton, ON and
to have traveled by the CPR's Canadian Differential routing through
Montreal, thence Farnham and Brookport, QC and over the CPR's
Lyndonville Sub. to the B&M at Wells River, VT. Prior to Oct. 1954
they had a choice of routes between Wells River and the Ford 
assembly plant in Somerville, MA but from photos that Phil Hastings
kindly provided me with years ago it appears that most were routed
via White River Jct. I cannot recall when in the late 1950's that 
Ford Assembly plant shut down but the traffic to it was good money
for the B&M for years. Thus my interest in these DT&I gons. and
my appreciation of this discussion of them.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: DT&I gon - a perpsective

Chet
 

If Jim Singer is at the Maumee session Sunday, I will ask him about

the DTI gon decals.


Chet French

Dixon, IL


Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Greg Martin
 

Dan and all,
 
This is not a "my dog is bigger than your dog" note.
 
The Athearn is a dirty little bash to be quite honest. However, it was well researched by Richard Hendrickson and I did my homework as well by converting the builders photos to scale to acquire the dimensions and verify them.  No need to defend the results. 
 
If you want to do the project from the P2K car be my guest and the instructions from the SHAKE N TAKE project will certainly help with things like a better representation of the drop end casting. 
 
Regardless, keep modeling and make compromises when you have to.
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
Dan writes:

I prefer to save the phrase "stand in at best" for some other project.

I built my GM&O cars from my stash of P2K kits in 2005 or so.  Maybe I am missing something, but...

-The P2K gon allows me to get the right length in 2 major cuts.  The Athearn Gon requires 6 major cuts. (4 to shorten body, 2 to remove ends)

-The P2K Gon gives me the right ends.  The Athearn route requires scratch built or custom cast ends.

-The P2K Gon give me the right underframe, trimmed similar to the body, complete with brake gear.   ;The Athearn Gon has an incorrect drop centersill with no brake gear.

-The P2K Gon has correct stirrups, grabs etc. out of the box,  It also gives me interior and floor detail.

-The P2K Gon is a finer level of tooling, and just as cheap.  Who didn't buy stacks of P2K kits back in the day for $5?

-And even more importantly for me: my P2k cars were a 2-day project.

I understand the merits of a Shake and Take project, and that things are donated for some group fun and group execution of the same model.  But I really don't care about that. 

The Athearn Gon just seems like the long way to go, even if it is "free."  Yes, I do get a slightly cheated floor height with the P2K Gon.  Yes, the 4 middle ribs on the side drop are a hair short on a P2K kitbash.  This can be fixed with some styrene modeling.  Perhaps some of us consider that easier than scratch building ends and dealing with the shortcomings of a 50 year old Athearn kludge. 

Have a great weekend everyone!

Dan Kohlberg


Re: Mpls/St. Paul Railroad Modeler's Retreat

np328
 

   Just a quick update here on the Railroad Modeler's Meet.   
A new file has been uploaded to the Railroad Modeler's Retreat in the Twin Cities next weekend.

Changes - The MN FreeMo group will be there set up and running trains on Friday - One week from TODAY from 6 to 10 PM. They will be there on Saturday through the event also.

A presenter has been added. Dennis Bartholow with present on DCC installation and programming.
Ken Zieska will be showing the MN&S video during lunch.

Doors to the public open on Saturday at 9 AM.
Folks who are setting up displays are allowed at 8 AM. And thanks to all of you who do display your models.  
(please don't abuse this by being a friend of a friend of that guy setting up over there) 
                                                                                  thanks - Jim Dick - St. Paul

 


New file uploaded to STMFC

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Re: DT&I gon - a perpsective

Greg Martin
 

Mark and all,
 
I know Jim Singer said after Cocoa Beach that he was planning on rerunning several sets of the Shake N Take decals this one included, but, I don't want to put word in his mouth, simply call him. If he is not at home leave a message along the lines of, "hey Jim, I need a set (or several) of XXX decals for this project (interject any SHAKE N TAKE or other decal set) call me back I am writing out the check now..."  Jim won't take your money and not provide like some others, but I would still get the details from him.
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 2/19/2016 3:54:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
It has been whispered that at one time 5th Avenue Car Shops had decals for DT&I. I went to the website they are not listed and there is no email address. If someone knows how to reach Jim I'm in for 2 sets on top of Pierre's 3. 

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com


Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

John Sykes III
 

Already looked into that.  They have the latter issue without photos, but not the 1994 issue.  Tried e-bay too -- no joy.

-- John


Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

Benjamin Hom
 

John Sykes wrote:
"I'll try to locate those, but so far, no luck on printed media. That's why I was hoping somebody had a scan of one."

Order direct from the ACL-SAL Historical Society.
http://www.aclsal.org/store/catalog4Q2015.pdf


Ben Hom


Re: Ambroid Phosphate Cars

John Sykes III
 

I'll try to locate those, but so far, no luck on printed media.  That's why I was hoping somebody had a scan of one.

-- John


Re: DT&I gon - a perpsective

Ted Culotta
 

Well, decals were part of my plan, too. Just don't know when yet.

Ted Culotta


Re: DT&I gon - a perpsective

Mark Stamm
 

It has been whispered that at one time 5th Avenue Car Shops had decals for DT&I. I went to the website they are not listed and there is no email address. If someone knows how to reach Jim I'm in for 2 sets on top of Pierre's 3. 

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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On Feb 19, 2016, at 6:25 PM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Ted,
That was indeed very helpful.
What's really needed now is more decals for this project.
Anybody? I would love 3 sets.
Thanks

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/19/16 5:42 PM, Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Like Dan, I had looked strongly at the Proto 2000 route. I mocked it up digitally. You can see the layout here:

I hope this helps some in their efforts.

Ted

--
Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media


Re: DT&I gon - a perpsective

Pierre Oliver
 

Ted,
That was indeed very helpful.
What's really needed now is more decals for this project.
Anybody? I would love 3 sets.
Thanks
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/19/16 5:42 PM, Ted Culotta speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC] wrote:

 
Like Dan, I had looked strongly at the Proto 2000 route. I mocked it up digitally. You can see the layout here:

I hope this helps some in their efforts.

Ted

--
Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media


DT&I gon - a perpsective

Ted Culotta
 

Like Dan, I had looked strongly at the Proto 2000 route. I mocked it up digitally. You can see the layout here:

I hope this helps some in their efforts.

Ted

--
Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media


Want to Buy - Railway Prototype Cyc Vol 18

Mark Stamm
 

Please contact off list mark at euphoriatt dot com.

 

Mark Stamm

M: 610 751 9997

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Re: DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon

Daniel Kohlberg
 

I prefer to save the phrase "stand in at best" for some other project.

I built my GM&O cars from my stash of P2K kits in 2005 or so.  Maybe I am missing something, but...

-The P2K gon allows me to get the right length in 2 major cuts.  The Athearn Gon requires 6 major cuts. (4 to shorten body, 2 to remove ends)

-The P2K Gon gives me the right ends.  The Athearn route requires scratch built or custom cast ends.

-The P2K Gon give me the right underframe, trimmed similar to the body, complete with brake gear.  The Athearn Gon has an incorrect drop centersill with no brake gear.

-The P2K Gon has correct stirrups, grabs etc. out of the box,  It also gives me interior and floor detail.

-The P2K Gon is a finer level of tooling, and just as cheap.  Who didn't buy stacks of P2K kits back in the day for $5?

-And even more importantly for me: my P2k cars were a 2-day project.

I understand the merits of a Shake and Take project, and that things are donated for some group fun and group execution of the same model.  But I really don't care about that. 

The Athearn Gon just seems like the long way to go, even if it is "free."  Yes, I do get a slightly cheated floor height with the P2K Gon.  Yes, the 4 middle ribs on the side drop are a hair short on a P2K kitbash.  This can be fixed with some styrene modeling.  Perhaps some of us consider that easier than scratch building ends and dealing with the shortcomings of a 50 year old Athearn kludge. 

Have a great weekend everyone!

Dan Kohlberg

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To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] DT&I 41' Gon was GM&O Gon



Mark,
 
This will result in a stand in at best. There is no simple way to do this except for a bash with the Athearn car.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 2/18/2016 3:37:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

I was just looking at three unbuilt Proto2000 52' gons the other day thinking I don't need three, but the link provided for the GM&O decals http://home.mindspring.com/~paducah/icg77.htm give me another idea. A simple kitbash by cutting the three middle sections of the Proto2000 52' gon as described at the link above gives me a 41' DT&I Gon that works in my 1949 modeling year.

Now does anyone know where I can get decals and a photo of said gon?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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this appears to be Andy Carlson's work bench

gary laakso
 

While it may appear to be on the CNW, all those freight car truck parts have to be his:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 


Re: Palomar Observatory Mirror Blank Delivery 5/12/1936

James Babcock
 

Definitely like to see the model photos
Jim


On Friday, February 19, 2016 5:18 AM, "'Earl Tuson' etuson@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
> Catching up on historical society pubs and came across John Signor's "Santa Fe and the Stars" in the 3rd Quarter 2015
issue of the SFRH&MS Warbonnet documenting the delivery of a 200" mirror blank from Pyrex via Santa Fe Extra 3157 on
May 12, 1936.

There is an HO model display of these cars with their load located at the observatory museum. I didn't have my FC
resources with me at the time to check every tiny detail, but the models were clearly built by a prototype modeler. I may be
able to dig up photos of the models that we took if anyone cares to see them.

Earl Tuson



Re: Corection: Enhanced kit for M&StL post-war 10'0" box car

Clark Propst
 

Mike Schleigh wrote: “I found on the back cover of the July 1952 issue a full-page ad from the M&StL announcing the purchase of 700 new "GREEN and GOLD BOX CARS on the M. & St. L.  Green Cars with Gold Markings!"
 
Depends on your definition of gold...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 
 


Re: Blog

Ted Culotta
 

Google replied yesterday that all was good and it was a software error that flagged the blog. No harm done...

Cheers,
Ted Culotta

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