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Re: What if ?? Re: Re: ] Chrysler Trucks

mwbauers
 

However……

When a shot is all that exists on/of a target item, you take into consideration the points you bring up and your drawing or file that must be made, takes that into account.

Those points and flaws were considered, long before they were brought up here.

So, adjusting for that….. would it work well enough?

Remember, there are many modeling wants for which the official drawings can’t be located.

And so…...

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Feb 26, 2016, at 12:08 PM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI bpehni@gmail.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Your best be would be a 3D laser scanner on a real Chrysler truck.

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni

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Date: Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:56 AM
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Subject: Re: What if ?? Re: [STMFC] Re: ] Chrysler Trucks

Mike,

No, for 3 reasons:
#1 NEVER model from models - there are both prototype photos and drawings available for this truck.
#2 The photo has quality issues such as blurriness and resolution.
#3, truck side frames are 3 dimensional and thus a single side-on shot is insufficient.

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Feb 26, 2016, at 11:48 AM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I wonder when this sort of rare item and modelers need topic pops up…..

If a picture like this

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/s3MAAOSwgQ9V36wV/s-l1600.jpg

as seen in the link is viable to remake as a scale drawing that goes to be a laser cut or 3d print final file ??? [If its a car side a laser project seems more likely]

The idea works best with a prototype shot where you’re not modeling a model and copying the models errors. But I see so many really good flat-on pictures in discussions of ‘where-can-I-find’ threads of the 'why don’t they make’ discussion themes.

And in those, it seems that the needed raw source is actually right in front of them, certainly when there are no existing in-production commercial models.

Assuming you have access to a laser cutter or 3d printer of your’s or another's, can it be easy enough to start with the photo? I’m assuming that who ever does the redraw or whatever needed graphics work from the photo is comfortable working with his choice of software to make his cut or print file.

Back to the truck side, the picture seems to enough to remake it, via re-draws with selective 3d lufting [sp?] and final scaling. Often its a similar real-world shot instead of a model shot.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Feb 26, 2016, at 3:25 AM, fred@janszholding. wrote:

Although a bit out of my price range, plus they're equipped with the oh so 'unprototypical' (according to some...) springs I like these too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/311522985459?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

When I find a car that ran in 1950 (the year I model), fitted with Chrysler trucks (any tips?) I'll score a set.
Cheers!
Fred 'WP' Jansz, The Netherlands


Re: What if ?? Re: Re: ] Chrysler Trucks

 

Your best be would be a 3D laser scanner on a real Chrysler truck.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

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Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:56 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: What if ?? Re: [STMFC] Re: ] Chrysler Trucks







Mike,

No, for 3 reasons:
#1 NEVER model from models - there are both prototype photos and drawings available for this truck.
#2 The photo has quality issues such as blurriness and resolution.
#3, truck side frames are 3 dimensional and thus a single side-on shot is insufficient.

Regards

Bruce



Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Feb 26, 2016, at 11:48 AM, STMFC@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I wonder when this sort of rare item and modelers need topic pops up…..

If a picture like this

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/s3MAAOSwgQ9V36wV/s-l1600.jpg

as seen in the link is viable to remake as a scale drawing that goes to be a laser cut or 3d print final file ??? [If its a car side a laser project seems more likely]

The idea works best with a prototype shot where you’re not modeling a model and copying the models errors. But I see so many really good flat-on pictures in discussions of ‘where-can-I-find’ threads of the 'why don’t they make’ discussion themes.

And in those, it seems that the needed raw source is actually right in front of them, certainly when there are no existing in-production commercial models.

Assuming you have access to a laser cutter or 3d printer of your’s or another's, can it be easy enough to start with the photo? I’m assuming that who ever does the redraw or whatever needed graphics work from the photo is comfortable working with his choice of software to make his cut or print file.

Back to the truck side, the picture seems to enough to remake it, via re-draws with selective 3d lufting [sp?] and final scaling. Often its a similar real-world shot instead of a model shot.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Feb 26, 2016, at 3:25 AM, fred@janszholding. wrote:

Although a bit out of my price range, plus they're equipped with the oh so 'unprototypical' (according to some...) springs I like these too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/311522985459?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

When I find a car that ran in 1950 (the year I model), fitted with Chrysler trucks (any tips?) I'll score a set.
Cheers!
Fred 'WP' Jansz, The Netherlands


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Re: What if ?? Re: Re: ] Chrysler Trucks

Bruce Smith
 

Mike,
No, for 3 reasons:
#1 NEVER model from models - there are both prototype photos and drawings available for this truck.
#2 The photo has quality issues such as blurriness and resolution.
#3, truck side frames are 3 dimensional and thus a single side-on shot is insufficient.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On Feb 26, 2016, at 11:48 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

I wonder when this sort of rare item and modelers need topic pops up…..

If a picture like this

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/s3MAAOSwgQ9V36wV/s-l1600.jpg

as seen in the link is viable to remake as a scale drawing that goes to be a laser cut or 3d print final file ??? [If its a car side a laser project seems more likely]

The idea works best with a prototype shot where you’re not modeling a model and copying the models errors. But I see so many really good flat-on pictures in discussions of ‘where-can-I-find’ threads of the 'why don’t they make’ discussion themes.

And in those, it seems that the needed raw source is actually right in front of them, certainly when there are no existing in-production commercial models.

Assuming you have access to a laser cutter or 3d printer of your’s or another's, can it be easy enough to start with the photo? I’m assuming that who ever does the redraw or whatever needed graphics work from the photo is comfortable working with his choice of software to make his cut or print file.

Back to the truck side, the picture seems to enough to remake it, via re-draws with selective 3d lufting [sp?] and final scaling. Often its a similar real-world shot instead of a model shot.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Feb 26, 2016, at 3:25 AM, fred@janszholding. wrote:

Although a bit out of my price range, plus they're equipped with the oh so 'unprototypical' (according to some...) springs I like these too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/311522985459?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

When I find a car that ran in 1950 (the year I model), fitted with Chrysler trucks (any tips?) I'll score a set.
Cheers!
Fred 'WP' Jansz, The Netherlands


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What if ?? Re: Re: ] Chrysler Trucks

mwbauers
 

I wonder when this sort of rare item and modelers need topic pops up…..

If a picture like this

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/s3MAAOSwgQ9V36wV/s-l1600.jpg

as seen in the link is viable to remake as a scale drawing that goes to be a laser cut or 3d print final file ??? [If its a car side a laser project seems more likely]

The idea works best with a prototype shot where you’re not modeling a model and copying the models errors. But I see so many really good flat-on pictures in discussions of ‘where-can-I-find’ threads of the 'why don’t they make’ discussion themes.

And in those, it seems that the needed raw source is actually right in front of them, certainly when there are no existing in-production commercial models.

Assuming you have access to a laser cutter or 3d printer of your’s or another's, can it be easy enough to start with the photo? I’m assuming that who ever does the redraw or whatever needed graphics work from the photo is comfortable working with his choice of software to make his cut or print file.

Back to the truck side, the picture seems to enough to remake it, via re-draws with selective 3d lufting [sp?] and final scaling. Often its a similar real-world shot instead of a model shot.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Feb 26, 2016, at 3:25 AM, fred@janszholding. wrote:

Although a bit out of my price range, plus they're equipped with the oh so 'unprototypical' (according to some...) springs I like these too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/311522985459?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

When I find a car that ran in 1950 (the year I model), fitted with Chrysler trucks (any tips?) I'll score a set.
Cheers!
Fred 'WP' Jansz, The Netherlands


Re: Railroad paint subsitutes?

SamClarke
 

Hello,

Have you tried Humbrol paints, now owned by Hornby?  They are made in Europe and should be available most anywhere over there. Many years ago I used Humbrol paints for military modeling and back then they had a huge selection of colors.

Sam Clarke R&D

Kadee Quality Products


Re: GATC Lightweight Box Cars

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:

The two cars that utilized low-allow steel and welded construction . . .
I believe this should read ". . . utilized high-strength low-alloy steel . . ." These materials are often called "HSLA" for short.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


GATC Lightweight Box Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC,
In Nov. 1938, General American Transportation Corp. built two box cars, GABX 1939-1940, as their entry into the manufacture of “lightweight” box cars. The two cars that utilized low-allow steel and welded construction were 10’ IH. GABX 1940 was on display at the 1939 New York World’s Fair. In Jan. 1941, GABX 1940 was purchased by ATSF.

Does anyone have information and/or a source that specifies the paint color of these two GABX cars?
Thank you in advance,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Railroad paint subsitutes/Alternatively Badger Modelflex Acrylic Paint

Bill Welch
 

Alternatively I suggest a fine Acrylic paint. Here is a link to Badger's Modelfex RR Paint chart. They offer four Boxcar Red/Brown colours and other specific RR colours.

It is a water based Acrylic so it can be shipped I think. I thin it when necessary w/Distilled Water and use water and 91% Isopropyl alcohol for cleanup. I spray at 20 PSI w/a Siphon Feed airbrush and 16-18 PSI w/a Gravity feed. Best results come w/at least a .5mm tip/needle combo but better are .66mm (Passche Talon); .7mm (GREX Tritium): or .75mm (Badger 105 or 155).

Bill Welch


Re: Railroad paint subsitutes?

A&Y Dave in MD
 



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On Feb 26, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

On 2/26/2016 3:39 AM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] wrote:
The post offices and the courier companies will not pay the drivers for the added level of training

    Europe is small, it's not like going from the east to the west here.  Why not just drive to where you can get a case of various colors?

Not sure you were directing your comment to original poster or Pierre, but Pierre is in Canada and was commenting on correct cause for the problem, not a suggested solution.

I think there are enough European modelers of American roads that some kind of package deal might be a solution.  There are plenty of workarounds to the problem. Another is to use U.S. water based acrylics with railroad colors like Badger Modelflex, which do not have delivery restrictions. Another is what our friend Eric Hansmann has done--create color swatches of Vallejo paints using various colors and mixtures compared against photos and keep notes (see his blog http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/?s=Vallejo ). 

Dave


Re: Railroad paint subsitutes?

Pierre Oliver
 

Cause the suppliers can't ship it to Europe cause they can't get it out of the country without paying very high shipping fees, if they can find a shipper to take the small volume. It's not like a container load of spray bombs.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/26/16 9:49 AM, Jon Miller atsfus@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

On 2/26/2016 3:39 AM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] wrote:
The post offices and the courier companies will not pay the drivers for the added level of training

    Europe is small, it's not like going from the east to the west here.  Why not just drive to where you can get a case of various colors?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Railroad paint subsitutes?

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 2/26/2016 3:39 AM, Pierre Oliver pierre.oliver@... [STMFC] wrote:
The post offices and the courier companies will not pay the drivers for the added level of training

    Europe is small, it's not like going from the east to the west here.  Why not just drive to where you can get a case of various colors?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Railroad paint subsitutes?

Mark Stamm
 

Microscale has a chart on their website that lists alternatives for Floquil railroad colors it includes some Vallejo options. 



Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

Sent from my mobile device

On Feb 26, 2016, at 4:38 AM, fred@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Hi folks,

Since I'm living 'over the pond' in Europe I have a paint issue.
TruColor and Scalecoat won't ship to The Netherlands because solvent based paints are considered 'hazardous goods' bad people make bombs from.... (how low do we have to bow?).

As a consequence these fine pre-mixed faithful railroad colors are out of my reach.
I have a bunch of kits waiting to be build and painted, but when I can't paint them in the right RR brown or red or oxide colors, what's the point of building a craftsman kit at all?

So the Q is: is there a way to 'convert' TruColor or Scalecoat RR colors to let's say Vallejo (which is a popular modeling paint overhere) or other brand?
Vallejo offers weathering colors like sand, dust, mud, rust, etc. But not the specific US RR colors.
Any tips?

Thanks for your help, best regards, Fred Jansz



Re: Railroad paint subsitutes?

Pierre Oliver
 

Fred,
To be clear the issue isn't terrorists, it's the regulations the common carriers have to adhere to. To ship "hazardous" materials across international borders, like solvent based products, and alcohol based stains fit in this category as well, the drivers are required to be "licensed" to another level. The post offices and the courier companies will not pay the drivers for the added level of training or certification required to move such products across the borders.
That all being said of you seen this,   https://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/Floquil%20Color%20Chart.pdf
While not all the colours are covered it's a good start. Lots of Vallejo and Tamiya paints in there
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 2/26/16 4:38 AM, fred@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Hi folks,

Since I'm living 'over the pond' in Europe I have a paint issue.
TruColor and Scalecoat won't ship to The Netherlands because solvent based paints are considered 'hazardous goods' bad people make bombs from.... (how low do we have to bow?).

As a consequence these fine pre-mixed faithful railroad colors are out of my reach.
I have a bunch of kits waiting to be build and painted, but when I can't paint them in the right RR brown or red or oxide colors, what's the point of building a craftsman kit at all?

So the Q is: is there a way to 'convert' TruColor or Scalecoat RR colors to let's say Vallejo (which is a popular modeling paint overhere) or other brand?
Vallejo offers weathering colors like sand, dust, mud, rust, etc. But not the specific US RR colors.
Any tips?

Thanks for your help, best regards, Fred Jansz




Railroad paint subsitutes?

Fred Jansz
 

Hi folks,

Since I'm living 'over the pond' in Europe I have a paint issue.
TruColor and Scalecoat won't ship to The Netherlands because solvent based paints are considered 'hazardous goods' bad people make bombs from.... (how low do we have to bow?).

As a consequence these fine pre-mixed faithful railroad colors are out of my reach.
I have a bunch of kits waiting to be build and painted, but when I can't paint them in the right RR brown or red or oxide colors, what's the point of building a craftsman kit at all?

So the Q is: is there a way to 'convert' TruColor or Scalecoat RR colors to let's say Vallejo (which is a popular modeling paint overhere) or other brand?
Vallejo offers weathering colors like sand, dust, mud, rust, etc. But not the specific US RR colors.
Any tips?

Thanks for your help, best regards, Fred Jansz



Re: ] Chrysler Trucks

Fred Jansz
 

Although a bit out of my price range, plus they're equipped with the oh so 'unprototypical' (according to some...) springs I like these too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/311522985459?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

When I find a car that ran in 1950 (the year I model), fitted with Chrysler trucks (any tips?) I'll score a set.
Cheers!
Fred 'WP' Jansz, The Netherlands


Re: C&EI boxcar roof question

Ed Hawkins
 


On Feb 25, 2016, at 6:17 PM, omahaduck@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

You think the roof ribs were painted as done by other railroads?

Charlie,
Based on the ACF paint specs and the only photo I’ve seen, the only color (red) that made it on the roof was red overspray. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


] Chrysler Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

Excuse me, I meant early and mid-FIFTIES.
-Andy Carlson



From: "Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]"
To: "STMFC@..."
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 8:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Chrysler Trucks

 
Hello, everyone-
I have tried many times to convince Brian Leppert to make the Chrysler truck. I thought a good selling point was that this was the most commonly applied truck to the Evans lease RB box cars from both the early and mid-seventies (Branchline cars really need a Chrysler truck).

Pragmatism won out, and I don't think this truck was ever even remotely considered by Brian. To me, I thought that the splayed spring area of a Dalman 2-level truck seemed like a good start for a kitbash, as the Chryslers shared this shape somewhat with the Dalmans.

If I had seen those castings for the Chrysler shock absorber/spring pack at the Cocoa Beach show, I would have purchased some, as they look excellent and are really useful.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trucks

 
     Speaking of trucks, I just completed a new blog post, describing a way to make the Chrysler FR5-D trucks in HO scale, with a superb casting by Ross Dando. If you're interested, here is a link to that blog post:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history









Chrysler Trucks

Andy Carlson
 

Hello, everyone-
I have tried many times to convince Brian Leppert to make the Chrysler truck. I thought a good selling point was that this was the most commonly applied truck to the Evans lease RB box cars from both the early and mid-seventies (Branchline cars really need a Chrysler truck).

Pragmatism won out, and I don't think this truck was ever even remotely considered by Brian. To me, I thought that the splayed spring area of a Dalman 2-level truck seemed like a good start for a kitbash, as the Chryslers shared this shape somewhat with the Dalmans.

If I had seen those castings for the Chrysler shock absorber/spring pack at the Cocoa Beach show, I would have purchased some, as they look excellent and are really useful.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: "Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2016 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Trucks

 
     Speaking of trucks, I just completed a new blog post, describing a way to make the Chrysler FR5-D trucks in HO scale, with a superb casting by Ross Dando. If you're interested, here is a link to that blog post:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: Trucks

Tony Thompson
 

     Speaking of trucks, I just completed a new blog post, describing a way to make the Chrysler FR5-D trucks in HO scale, with a superb casting by Ross Dando. If you're interested, here is a link to that blog post:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Trucks [Was: 36-foot box car data files]

Bill Welch
 

Another way of viewing this situation is something I have heard Sam say: "Kadee makes couplers" or words to that effect.

Bill Welch

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