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Re: Digest Number 10101
Jedalberg
As a general rule, the bulk cement traffic here in the east--let's characterize that as primarily the Lehigh Valley Cement district , in eastern Pa. There are /were other areas, of course, as in up on the D&H, or the NYC, to keep this somewhat oriented, and prevent the 'oh, no" stuff---, the majority of this cement traffic was destined for the biggest construction market in the country for some thirty years, and that where the cement went--early on by boxcar, in 100# bags. In the early 30's, bulk cement cars were developed, and moved most of this traffic for many years (movement, different car variations, a whole different, but related subject.). Then about 1956 or so, the PUC allowed the big bulk tractor trailers to haul this traffic---ate the railroad's bulk cement business, what was pretty big--plus, which have done ,along with the other heavy trucks, a major number on the highways. Essentially, within a period of 4-6 years or so, the bulk cement was lost to the railroads.
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This isn't really any new info, just occasionally necessary to remind folks--- Jim Dalberg,-- who likes to have lots of cement cars on his railroad--and does!
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From: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2016 5:36 pm Subject: [STMFC] Digest Number 10101 Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960. Group 15 Messages Digest #10101 1 60103 by "paul.doggett2472" paul.doggett2472 2a Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] The History of Shipping Bulk Cement by "Gatwood, Elden SAW" prr8112 3a Re: The History of Shipping Bulk Cement by rockroll50401 4 Wire handrails for tank cars by "Andy Carlson" midcentury@sbcglobal.net 5a Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing by "Michael Gross" atsfnut 5b Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing by "Mark P Stamm" mark.stamm 5c Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing by "Michael Mang" dlw1600 5d Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing by "Tim O'Connor" cf5250 6a HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits by "Andy Carlson" midcentury@sbcglobal.net 6b Re: HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits by "Hunter, James R." naptownprr 7a Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell by ed_mines 7b Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell by lnbill 8a Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things by "Ted Culotta" tcschc 8b Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things by lnbill 8c Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things by "Tim O'Connor" cf5250 Messages 1 60103 Fri Mar 4, 2016 4:13 am (PST) . Posted by: "paul.doggett2472" paul.doggett2472 Flying Scotsman on the Turntable at NRM York. Photo taken by my friend Roly Powell Paul Sent from Samsung mobile Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ 2a Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] The History of Shipping Bulk Cement Fri Mar 4, 2016 4:58 am (PST) . Posted by: "Gatwood, Elden SAW" prr8112 Jim; I have some records of loads in the area of the country I grew up (w PA), for various users of cement and sand, and the conversion of cement being hauled in covered hoppers was underway in the mid-forties, with large numbers of covered hoppers being purchased by most local roads to serve that traffic. Correspondence I have read indicated that shippers wanted something impervious to weather, and the RRs and private manufacturers did their best to provide "tight" cars with nicely sealed hatches and hoppers. The peak of purchases came in the mid-fifties, by which time many other commodities were switching over to covered hopper. In that timeframe, they did not generally travel far afield. The few distant road cars I saw were carrying commodities you could not get in the region, like fluorspar or gypsum or such. Cement was produced all over the country, as far as I have been able to tell. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 2:03 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] The History of Shipping Bulk Cement Hi all, This thread was born as "Covered Hoppers - for Cement". Although there have been a few posts on the referenced thread this part of my question has gone essentially unanswered ... What I'm looking for is the kind of -general- historical information that covers questions such as 1) When were cement hoppers commonly in use (as opposed to the earliest experiments - which I know about )? 2) Was I wrong in my general statements about how far -most- bulk cement was moved in covered hoppers? All - I am not talking about concrete - I'm interested in the bulk cement hauls (before, during, and after the transition to using 'dedicated service' covered hoppers). At least one thing I learned from the prior thread was about the use of "bulk containers in gons" in the early days. Thanks for that detail/piece of information. - Jim B. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (10) . Top ^ 3a Re: The History of Shipping Bulk Cement Fri Mar 4, 2016 5:54 am (PST) . Posted by: rockroll50401 Clark wrote: "4 97lb sacks equal 1 barrel of cement." Clark, 94 Lb. bag is the standard. Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada Yup. My goof! Clark Propst Mason City Iowa Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (10) . Top ^ 4 Wire handrails for tank cars Fri Mar 4, 2016 7:39 am (PST) . Posted by: "Andy Carlson" midcentury@sbcglobal.net I like the idea of using heat shrink tubing for handrail connections for our tank cars. The available sizes are all too large with the exception of PTFE clear tubing. Heating this tubing requires a higher temp than most heat shrinks, so the handrail must be connected before attaching the whole assembly to the tank car (which probably most of us would do anyway). The stuff is easily cut to length and very durable; resistant to most of the chemicals we have in our workshops and certainly will withstand a trip into a heat-curing oven for a Scalecoat finished brass tank car. I would scuff a longer length of tubing prior to cutting to give it some "tooth" for painting. I want to order both 0.020" and 0.024" inside diameter 2:1 ratio heatshrink PTFE tubing. With the 2:1 ratio, the shrink of the PTFE tubing will close down up to 0.010" and 0.012" inside diameters. If your handrail material is 0.019" the resultant pipe coupler part's overall diameter will be slightly less if using the 0.020" heat shrink. The shipping is $10 which is as expensive as three pieces of the tubing (which are one foot lengths). I would be willing to purchase enough pieces to satisfy the requested demand from you folks. If we get 6 people, the shipping would be $10 split 6 ways which would be $2.25 each with the envelope and stamp included for shipping to each individual. More folks would reduce the shipping costs further. The prices are:$3.77 for the 0.020"$3.36 for the 0.024" Both come in 1 foot lengths.I will be happy to order these tubings for anyone reading this post. I will be selling these at cost. If interested, contact me OFF-LIST (please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>Thanks,-Andy CarlsonOjai CA Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ 5a Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing Fri Mar 4, 2016 9:47 am (PST) . Posted by: "Michael Gross" atsfnut This is a helpful alternative, as I have been unable to find smallparts.com (an alternative source of small-I.D. tubing) on the web. It has apparently been absorbed�devoured?�by Amazon. As it has been a useful site for small modeling parts, I would appreciate knowing if other modelers have been able to locate the site recently. Many thanks! Michael Gross Facebook.com/ActorMichaelGross Twitter.com/MichaelGrossBiz Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (9) . Top ^ 5b Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing Fri Mar 4, 2016 9:59 am (PST) . Posted by: "Mark P Stamm" mark.stamm Michael This is the link Amazon refers you to for SmallParts.com http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_89_6?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A16310091%2Cn%3A%2116310161%2Cn%3A16310191%2Cn%3A16414131%2Cp_89%3ASmall+Parts&bbn=16414131&ie=UTF8&qid=1457113956&rnid=2528832011 Mark Mark P Stamm Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com Sent from my mobile device On Mar 4, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Michael Gross ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (9) . Top ^ 5c Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing Fri Mar 4, 2016 10:23 am (PST) . Posted by: "Michael Mang" dlw1600 A search on amazon.com returned "Shop Small Parts Store". That takes you to their complete inventory. While not as easy to navigate as the old smallparts.com site, I was able to go through and find the small size screws and nuts I had bought in the past. Michael Mang On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:47 PM Michael Gross ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (9) . Top ^ 5d Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing Fri Mar 4, 2016 10:27 am (PST) . Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" cf5250 Michael This is the product recommended by Tom Madden http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FN5QME Tim O'Connor ----------------------------------------- This is a helpful alternative, as I have been unable to find <http://smallparts.com>smallparts.com (an alternative source of small-I.D. tubing) on the web. It has apparently been absorbeddevoured?by Amazon. As it has been a useful site for small modeling parts, I would appreciate knowing if other modelers have been able to locate the site recently. Many thanks! Michael Gross Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (9) . Top ^ 6a HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits Fri Mar 4, 2016 10:42 am (PST) . Posted by: "Andy Carlson" midcentury@sbcglobal.net To STMFC:Hello everyone-The Santa Fe had many AAR 40' box cars in many different series. Features were changed with the passage of time as new products replaced older designs. In researching the special ATSF Bx-44 class of boxcars, both Charles Slater and Tim O'Connor were very helpful. Much of the info came from Richard Hendrickson's compilation of various sources, including the Santa Fe freight car folios. I am offering enhanced kits for the Santa Fe's Bx-44 series of cars, built after the war. The new 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught end and metal running boards were typical for many cars built during this post-war era. Most noticeable about this Santa Fe class was their use of the unique post-war Youngstown Interim improved 5/6/5 steel doors. These doors were nearly identical to the SP's Interim improved Youngstown 5/5/5 doors (the 'Overnight" doors) but with one big difference--the panel count was one more than the Overnight door, as the SP door covered a less-tall door opening for the SP's 10'0" IH box cars. Dan Hall of South West Scale Productions has tooled up both versions of the Youngstown Interim improved doors and this Bx-44 enhanced kit will use the Santa Fe Interim improved 5/6/5 door. From Richard Hendrickson and Charles Slater: Roofs were black and so were the running boards, since theywere steel. Running board applications were: 138700-138824 MORTON 138825-138949 GYPSUM 138950-139199 APEX Air brake reservoirs were mounted transversely and the carswere equipped with Royal F brake regulators, which were quite visible inprofile under the car. series 138700-139199 blt 1945-1946 MT VERNON, sloganassignments: 138700-138799 - Grand Canyon 138800-138899 - Scout 138900-138999 - El Capitan 139000-139099 - Super Chief 139100-139199 - Chief The last 250 Bx-44 cars uses all of the components of this enhanced kit. The El Capitan; Super Chief; Chief, slogans are the only usable ones with this kit's combination of parts. To do Grand Canyon and Scout would require different running boards. From Tim O'Connor, Becky's brother.A photo of 139145 shows an AJAX brake wheel, confirmed by the ATSF folio which indicates all of the Bx-44 cars were Ajax equipped. I offer the Bx-44 enhanced kit with the following components:1 Intermountain 40899 modified AR 10'6" IH box car w/ 6' door opening1 ea. IMRC and Terry Wegmann Ajax power brake and wheel 1 Red Caboose raised rectangular panel roof 1 pair of IMRC 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends1 pair of South West Scale Bx-44 5/6/5 interim improved Youngstown doors1 Details west AB brake set1 IMRC Apex Tri-Lock etched metal running board Each enhanced kit is offered for $33 each; shipping to US addresses included.I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> I have three builders photo scans of these cars provided by Charles Slater which I can forward to anyone who would like to look at a Bx-44. Simply request the photos from my personal email address (see above). Thanks,-Andy CarlsonOjai CA Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ 6b Re: HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits Fri Mar 4, 2016 11:55 am (PST) . Posted by: "Hunter, James R." naptownprr Andy, I am interested in this ATSF enhanced kit. What is your mailing address, and please send mw the photos. Thanks. Jim Hunter ________________________________ From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Andy Carlson midcentury@sbcglobal.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:42 PM To: yahoogroups Subject: [STMFC] HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits To STMFC: Hello everyone- The Santa Fe had many AAR 40' box cars in many different series. Features were changed with the passage of time as new products replaced older designs. In researching the special ATSF Bx-44 class of boxcars, both Charles Slater and Tim O'Connor were very helpful. Much of the info came from Richard Hendrickson's compilation of various sources, including the Santa Fe freight car folios. I am offering enhanced kits for the Santa Fe's Bx-44 series of cars, built after the war. The new 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught end and metal running boards were typical for many cars built during this post-war era. Most noticeable about this Santa Fe class was their use of the unique post-war Youngstown Interim improved 5/6/5 steel doors. These doors were nearly identical to the SP's Interim improved Youngstown 5/5/5 doors (the 'Overnight" doors) but with one big difference--the panel count was one more than the Overnight door, as the SP door covered a less-tall door opening for the SP's 10'0" IH box cars. Dan Hall of South West Scale Productions has tooled up both versions of the Youngstown Interim improved doors and this Bx-44 ! enhanced kit will use the Santa Fe Interim improved 5/6/5 door. From Richard Hendrickson and Charles Slater: Roofs were black and so were the running boards, since they were steel. Running board applications were: 138700-138824 MORTON 138825-138949 GYPSUM 138950-139199 APEX Air brake reservoirs were mounted transversely and the cars were equipped with Royal F brake regulators, which were quite visible in profile under the car. series 138700-139199 blt 1945-1946 MT VERNON, slogan assignments: 138700-138799 - Grand Canyon 138800-138899 - Scout 138900-138999 - El Capitan 139000-139099 - Super Chief 139100-139199 - Chief The last 250 Bx-44 cars uses all of the components of this enhanced kit. The El Capitan; Super Chief; Chief, slogans are the only usable ones with this kit's combination of parts. To do Grand Canyon and Scout would require different running boards. From Tim O'Connor, Becky's brother. A photo of 139145 shows an AJAX brake wheel, confirmed by the ATSF folio which indicates all of the Bx-44 cars were Ajax equipped. I offer the Bx-44 enhanced kit with the following components: 1 Intermountain 40899 modified AR 10'6" IH box car w/ 6' door opening 1 ea. IMRC and Terry Wegmann Ajax power brake and wheel 1 Red Caboose raised rectangular panel roof 1 pair of IMRC 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends 1 pair of South West Scale Bx-44 5/6/5 interi! m improved Youngstown doors 1 Details west AB brake set 1 IMRC Apex Tri-Lock etched metal running board Each enhanced kit is offered for $33 each; shipping to US addresses included. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> I have three builders photo scans of these cars provided by Charles Slater which I can forward to anyone who would like to look at a Bx-44. Simply request the photos from my personal email address (see above). Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ 7a Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell Fri Mar 4, 2016 11:05 am (PST) . Posted by: ed_mines Advice well taken but the canopy glue worked great without any washing. Do airplane modelers use canopy glue in place of the stinky old model airplane glue? Ed Mines Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 7b Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell Fri Mar 4, 2016 11:27 am (PST) . Posted by: lnbill I doubt it. They use it for the canopy because it will not blemish the clear canopy like CA or the liquids like MEK, Testors, Tennex, Tamiya etc. that they would use for the rest of the aircraft. Bill Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 8a Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things Fri Mar 4, 2016 12:38 pm (PST) . Posted by: "Ted Culotta" tcschc A few items from Speedwitch: The following are back in stock: - P109 – Lehigh New England 1923 ARA rebuild parts sets <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/p109-lehigh-new-england-rebuilt-ara-box-car-parts-set/>; - D109 – UTLX Tank Car decals <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d109-utlx-tank-cars/>; - D119.1 – Fruit Growers Express ‘1948’ refrigerator car decal <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d119-1-fruit-growers-express-1948-rebuilt-wood-refrigerator-cars/>; I also have one each of the following O scale resin kits for sale: - Chooch kit #3149 – Pacific Fruit Express R-40-2 refrigerator car <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/chooch-kit-3149-pacific-fruit-express-r-40-2-refrigerator-car/>; - Chooch kit #3150 – Milwaukee Road 40′ single sheathed automobile car <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/chooch-kit-3150-milwaukee-road-40-single-sheathed-automobile-car/>; - Chooch kit #3156 – Great Northern 50′ single sheathed automobile car <http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/chooch-kit-3156-great-northern-50-single-sheathed-automobile-car/>; Cheers, Ted -- Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media speedwitchmedia@gmail.com - www.speedwitchmedia.com Blog: http://prototopics.blogspot.com Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ 8b Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things Fri Mar 4, 2016 2:19 pm (PST) . Posted by: lnbill Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87. Bill Welch Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ 8c Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things Fri Mar 4, 2016 2:36 pm (PST) . Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" cf5250 didn't F&C do the MILW car in HO? At 3/4/2016 05:19 PM Friday, you wrote: Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ VISIT YOUR GROUP New Photos 1 • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use
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That MILW 40-footer (was Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things)
Benjamin Hom
Bill Welch wrote: "Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87." I'm assuming you mean these cars, which was as much a MILW signature boxcar as the rib-side steel bocars: http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun47.pdf http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun57c.pdf Tim O'Connor replied: "Didn't F&C do the MILW car in HO?" Not currently (if ever). He lists no MILW prototypes on his website. http://www.fandckits.com/ho_frtlistbyroad.html Ben Hom
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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing
Thanks to all for your helpful information.
Cheers!
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Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things
Rich C
I missed out on a MILW 40'er awhile back on eBay. Definitely on the HO needs list for a lot of us. Rich Christie
On Friday, March 4, 2016 4:36 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" wrote: didn't F&C do the MILW car in HO? At 3/4/2016 05:19 PM Friday, you wrote: >Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87. > >Bill Welch
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Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things
didn't F&C do the MILW car in HO?
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At 3/4/2016 05:19 PM Friday, you wrote:
Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87.
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Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things
Bill Welch
Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87.
Bill Welch
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Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things
Ted Culotta
A few items from Speedwitch: The following are back in stock:
I also have one each of the following O scale resin kits for sale:
Cheers, Ted -- Ted Culotta Speedwitch Media
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Re: HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits
naptownprr
Andy,
I am interested in this ATSF enhanced kit. What is your mailing address, and please send mw the photos. Thanks.
Jim Hunter
From: STMFC@... on behalf of Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:42 PM To: yahoogroups Subject: [STMFC] HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits
To STMFC:
Hello everyone-
The Santa Fe had many AAR 40' box cars in many different series. Features were changed with the passage of time as new products replaced
older designs. In researching the special ATSF Bx-44 class of boxcars, both Charles Slater and Tim O'Connor were very helpful. Much of the info came from Richard Hendrickson's compilation of various sources, including the Santa Fe freight car folios.
I am offering enhanced kits for the Santa Fe's Bx-44 series of cars, built after the war. The new 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught end and metal
running boards were typical for many cars built during this post-war era. Most noticeable about this Santa Fe class was their use of the unique post-war Youngstown Interim improved 5/6/5 steel doors. These doors were nearly identical to the SP's Interim improved
Youngstown 5/5/5 doors (the 'Overnight" doors) but with one big difference--the panel count was one more than the Overnight door, as the SP door covered a less-tall door opening for the SP's 10'0" IH box cars. Dan Hall of South West Scale Productions has tooled
up both versions of the Youngstown Interim improved doors and this Bx-44 ! enhanced kit will use the Santa Fe Interim improved 5/6/5 door.
From Richard Hendrickson and Charles Slater:
Roofs were black and so were the running boards, since they were steel. Running board applications were: 138700-138824 MORTON 138825-138949 GYPSUM 138950-139199 APEX
Air brake reservoirs were mounted transversely and the cars were equipped with Royal F brake regulators, which were quite visible in profile under the car. series 138700-139199 blt 1945-1946 MT VERNON, slogan assignments: 138700-138799 - Grand Canyon 138800-138899 - Scout 138900-138999 - El Capitan 139000-139099 - Super Chief 139100-139199 - Chief The last 250 Bx-44 cars uses all of the components of this enhanced kit. The El Capitan; Super Chief; Chief, slogans are the only usable ones with this kit's combination of parts. To do Grand
Canyon and Scout would require different running boards.
From Tim O'Connor, Becky's brother.
A photo of 139145 shows an AJAX brake wheel, confirmed by the ATSF folio which indicates all of the Bx-44 cars were Ajax equipped.
I offer the Bx-44 enhanced kit with the following components:
1 Intermountain 40899 modified AR 10'6" IH box car w/ 6' door opening
1 ea. IMRC and Terry Wegmann Ajax power brake and wheel
1 Red Caboose raised rectangular panel roof
1 pair of IMRC 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends
1 pair of South West Scale Bx-44 5/6/5 interi! m improved Youngstown doors
1 Details west AB brake set
1 IMRC Apex Tri-Lock etched metal running board
Each enhanced kit is offered for $33 each; shipping to US addresses included.
I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at
I have three builders photo scans of these cars provided by Charles Slater which I can forward to anyone who would like to look at a Bx-44. Simply request the photos from my personal email address
(see above).
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
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Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell
Bill Welch
I doubt it. They use it for the canopy because it will not blemish the clear canopy like CA or the liquids like MEK, Testors, Tennex, Tamiya etc. that they would use for the rest of the aircraft.
Bill
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Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell
ed_mines
Advice well taken but the canopy glue worked great without any washing. Do airplane modelers use canopy glue in place of the stinky old model airplane glue? Ed Mines
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HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits
Andy Carlson
To STMFC: Hello everyone- The Santa Fe had many AAR 40' box cars in many different series. Features were changed with the passage of time as new products replaced older designs. In researching the special ATSF Bx-44 class of boxcars, both Charles Slater and Tim O'Connor were very helpful. Much of the info came from Richard Hendrickson's compilation of various sources, including the Santa Fe freight car folios. I am offering enhanced kits for the Santa Fe's Bx-44 series of cars, built after the war. The new 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught end and metal running boards were typical for many cars built during this post-war era. Most noticeable about this Santa Fe class was their use of the unique post-war Youngstown Interim improved 5/6/5 steel doors. These doors were nearly identical to the SP's Interim improved Youngstown 5/5/5 doors (the 'Overnight" doors) but with one big difference--the panel count was one more than the Overnight door, as the SP door covered a less-tall door opening for the SP's 10'0" IH box cars. Dan Hall of South West Scale Productions has tooled up both versions of the Youngstown Interim improved doors and this Bx-44 enhanced kit will use the Santa Fe Interim improved 5/6/5 door.
From Richard Hendrickson and Charles Slater: Roofs were black and so were the running boards, since they were steel. Running board applications were: 138700-138824 MORTON 138825-138949 GYPSUM
138950-139199 APEX Air brake reservoirs were mounted transversely and the cars were equipped with Royal F brake regulators, which were quite visible in profile under the car. series 138700-139199 blt 1945-1946 MT VERNON, slogan assignments: 138700-138799 - Grand Canyon 138800-138899 - Scout 138900-138999 - El Capitan 139000-139099 - Super Chief 139100-139199 - Chief The last 250 Bx-44 cars uses all of the components of this enhanced kit. The El Capitan; Super Chief; Chief, slogans are the only usable ones with this kit's combination of parts. To do Grand Canyon and Scout would require different running boards.
From Tim O'Connor, Becky's brother. A photo of 139145 shows an AJAX brake wheel, confirmed by the ATSF folio which indicates all of the Bx-44 cars were Ajax equipped.
I offer the Bx-44 enhanced kit with the following components: 1 Intermountain 40899 modified AR 10'6" IH box car w/ 6' door opening 1 ea. IMRC and Terry Wegmann Ajax power brake and wheel 1 Red Caboose raised rectangular panel roof 1 pair of IMRC 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends 1 pair of South West Scale Bx-44 5/6/5 interim improved Youngstown doors 1 Details west AB brake set 1 IMRC Apex Tri-Lock etched metal running board Each enhanced kit is offered for $33 each; shipping to US addresses included. I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at I have three builders photo scans of these cars provided by Charles Slater which I can forward to anyone who would like to look at a Bx-44. Simply request the photos from my personal email address (see above). Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing
Michael
This is the product recommended by Tom Madden http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FN5QME Tim O'Connor ----------------------------------------- This is a helpful alternative, as I have been unable to find smallparts.com (an alternative source of small-I.D. tubing) on the web. It has apparently been absorbed�devoured?�by Amazon. As it has been a useful site for small modeling parts, I would appreciate knowing if other modelers have been able to locate the site recently. Many thanks! Michael Gross
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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing
Michael Mang
A search on amazon.com returned "Shop Small Parts Store". That takes you to their complete inventory. While not as easy to navigate as the old smallparts.com site, I was able to go through and find the small size screws and nuts I had bought in the past. Michael Mang
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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing
Michael This is the link Amazon refers you to for SmallParts.com Mark Mark P Stamm Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com
On Mar 4, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Michael Gross ActorMichaelGross@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing
This is a helpful alternative, as I have been unable to find smallparts.com (an alternative source of small-I.D. tubing) on the web. It has apparently been absorbed—devoured?—by Amazon.
As it has been a useful site for small modeling parts, I would appreciate knowing if other modelers have been able to locate the site recently. Many thanks!
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Wire handrails for tank cars
Andy Carlson
I like the idea of using heat shrink tubing for handrail connections for our tank cars. The available sizes are all too large with the exception of PTFE clear tubing. Heating this tubing requires a higher temp than most heat shrinks, so the handrail must be connected before attaching the whole assembly to the tank car (which probably most of us would do anyway). The stuff is easily cut to length and very durable; resistant to most of the chemicals we have in our workshops and certainly will withstand a trip into a heat-curing oven for a Scalecoat finished brass tank car. I would scuff a longer length of tubing prior to cutting to give it some "tooth" for painting. I want to order both 0.020" and 0.024" inside diameter 2:1 ratio heatshrink PTFE tubing. With the 2:1 ratio, the shrink of the PTFE tubing will close down up to 0.010" and 0.012" inside diameters. If your handrail material is 0.019" the resultant pipe coupler part's overall diameter will be slightly less if using the 0.020" heat shrink. The shipping is $10 which is as expensive as three pieces of the tubing (which are one foot lengths). I would be willing to purchase enough pieces to satisfy the requested demand from you folks. If we get 6 people, the shipping would be $10 split 6 ways which would be $2.25 each with the envelope and stamp included for shipping to each individual. More folks would reduce the shipping costs further. The prices are: $3.77 for the 0.020" $3.36 for the 0.024" Both come in 1 foot lengths. I will be happy to order these tubings for anyone reading this post. I will be selling these at cost. If interested, contact me OFF-LIST (please) at Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA
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Re: The History of Shipping Bulk Cement
Clark Propst
Clark wrote: "4 97lb sacks equal 1 barrel of cement." Clark, 94 Lb. bag is the standard. Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada Yup. My
goof!
Clark
Propst Mason City Iowa
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Re: [EXTERNAL] The History of Shipping Bulk Cement
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Jim;
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I have some records of loads in the area of the country I grew up (w PA), for various users of cement and sand, and the conversion of cement being hauled in covered hoppers was underway in the mid-forties, with large numbers of covered hoppers being purchased by most local roads to serve that traffic. Correspondence I have read indicated that shippers wanted something impervious to weather, and the RRs and private manufacturers did their best to provide "tight" cars with nicely sealed hatches and hoppers. The peak of purchases came in the mid-fifties, by which time many other commodities were switching over to covered hopper. In that timeframe, they did not generally travel far afield. The few distant road cars I saw were carrying commodities you could not get in the region, like fluorspar or gypsum or such. Cement was produced all over the country, as far as I have been able to tell. Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 2:03 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] The History of Shipping Bulk Cement Hi all, This thread was born as "Covered Hoppers - for Cement". Although there have been a few posts on the referenced thread this part of my question has gone essentially unanswered ... What I'm looking for is the kind of -general- historical information that covers questions such as 1) When were cement hoppers commonly in use (as opposed to the earliest experiments - which I know about )? 2) Was I wrong in my general statements about how far -most- bulk cement was moved in covered hoppers? All - I am not talking about concrete - I'm interested in the bulk cement hauls (before, during, and after the transition to using 'dedicated service' covered hoppers). At least one thing I learned from the prior thread was about the use of "bulk containers in gons" in the early days. Thanks for that detail/piece of information. - Jim B.
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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing
Bob Christensen
I saw this conversation and remembered something I learned from airplane modelers. The .019 Detail Associates wire fits inside the .8mm tubing made by Albion Alloys. I just tested it out. You can cut the tubing to length using a scalpel. You place the tubing on a hard surface and roll it back and forth a few times at the spot where you want to cut it. Then just snap it off and it breaks clean. I tried it and was amazed I could get usable pieces less than 2mm long.
Bob Christensen
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