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60103 by "paul.doggett2472" paul.doggett2472







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Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] The History of Shipping Bulk Cement by "Gatwood, Elden SAW" prr8112







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Re: The History of Shipping Bulk Cement by rockroll50401







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Wire handrails for tank cars by "Andy Carlson" midcentury@sbcglobal.net







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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing by "Michael Gross" atsfnut





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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing by "Mark P Stamm" mark.stamm





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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing by "Michael Mang" dlw1600





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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing by "Tim O'Connor" cf5250







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HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits by "Andy Carlson" midcentury@sbcglobal.net





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Re: HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits by "Hunter, James R." naptownprr







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Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell by ed_mines





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Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell by lnbill







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Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things by "Ted Culotta" tcschc





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Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things by lnbill





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Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things by "Tim O'Connor" cf5250












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60103





Fri Mar 4, 2016 4:13 am (PST) . Posted by:

"paul.doggett2472" paul.doggett2472




Flying Scotsman on the Turntable at NRM York.
Photo taken by my friend Roly Powell
Paul

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Re: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] The History of Shipping Bulk Cement





Fri Mar 4, 2016 4:58 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Gatwood, Elden SAW" prr8112




Jim;

I have some records of loads in the area of the country I grew up (w PA), for various users of cement and sand, and the conversion of cement being hauled in covered hoppers was underway in the mid-forties, with large numbers of covered hoppers being purchased by most local roads to serve that traffic. Correspondence I have read indicated that shippers wanted something impervious to weather, and the RRs and private manufacturers did their best to provide "tight" cars with nicely sealed hatches and hoppers. The peak of purchases came in the mid-fifties, by which time many other commodities were switching over to covered hopper. In that timeframe, they did not generally travel far afield. The few distant road cars I saw were carrying commodities you could not get in the region, like fluorspar or gypsum or such. Cement was produced all over the country, as far as I have been able to tell.

Elden Gatwood

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Hi all,

This thread was born as "Covered Hoppers - for Cement".

Although there have been a few posts on the referenced thread
this part of my question has gone essentially unanswered ...

What I'm looking for is the kind of -general- historical information
that covers questions such as

1) When were cement hoppers commonly in use (as opposed
to the earliest experiments - which I know about )?

2) Was I wrong in my general statements about how far -most-
bulk cement was moved in covered hoppers?

All - I am not talking about concrete - I'm interested in the
bulk cement hauls (before, during, and after the transition to
using 'dedicated service' covered hoppers).
At least one thing I learned from the prior thread was about
the use of "bulk containers in gons" in the early days. Thanks
for that detail/piece of information.
- Jim B.












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Re: The History of Shipping Bulk Cement





Fri Mar 4, 2016 5:54 am (PST) . Posted by:

rockroll50401




Clark wrote:

"4 97lb sacks equal 1 barrel of cement."

Clark,

94 Lb. bag is the standard.

Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

Yup. My goof!

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa








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Wire handrails for tank cars





Fri Mar 4, 2016 7:39 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Andy Carlson" midcentury@sbcglobal.net




I like the idea of using heat shrink tubing for handrail connections for our tank cars. The available sizes are all too large with the exception of PTFE clear tubing.
Heating this tubing requires a higher temp than most heat shrinks, so the handrail must be connected before attaching the whole assembly to the tank car (which probably most of us would do anyway).
The stuff is easily cut to length and very durable; resistant to most of the chemicals we have in our workshops and certainly will withstand a trip into a heat-curing oven for a Scalecoat finished brass tank car. I would scuff a longer length of tubing prior to cutting to give it some "tooth" for painting.

I want to order both 0.020" and 0.024" inside diameter 2:1 ratio heatshrink PTFE tubing. With the 2:1 ratio, the shrink of the PTFE tubing will close down up to 0.010" and 0.012" inside diameters. If your handrail material is 0.019" the resultant pipe coupler part's overall diameter will be slightly less if using the 0.020" heat shrink. The shipping is $10 which is as expensive as three pieces of the tubing (which are one foot lengths).
I would be willing to purchase enough pieces to satisfy the requested demand from you folks. If we get 6 people, the shipping would be $10 split 6 ways which would be $2.25 each with the envelope and stamp included for shipping to each individual. More folks would reduce the shipping costs further.

The prices are:$3.77 for the 0.020"$3.36 for the 0.024"
Both come in 1 foot lengths.I will be happy to order these tubings for anyone reading this post. I will be selling these at cost.
If interested, contact me OFF-LIST (please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>Thanks,-Andy CarlsonOjai CA









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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing





Fri Mar 4, 2016 9:47 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Michael Gross" atsfnut




This is a helpful alternative, as I have been unable to find smallparts.com (an alternative source of small-I.D. tubing) on the web. It has apparently been absorbed�devoured?�by Amazon.

As it has been a useful site for small modeling parts, I would appreciate knowing if other modelers have been able to locate the site recently.

Many thanks!

Michael Gross
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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing





Fri Mar 4, 2016 9:59 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Mark P Stamm" mark.stamm




Michael

This is the link Amazon refers you to for SmallParts.com

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_p_89_6?fst=as%3Aoff&;rh=n%3A16310091%2Cn%3A%2116310161%2Cn%3A16310191%2Cn%3A16414131%2Cp_89%3ASmall+Parts&bbn=16414131&ie=UTF8&qid=1457113956&rnid=2528832011

Mark

Mark P Stamm
Mark at Euphoriatt dot Com

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On Mar 4, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Michael Gross ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This is a helpful alternative, as I have been unable to find smallparts.com (an alternative source of small-I.D. tubing) on the web. It has apparently been absorbed—devoured?—by Amazon.


As it has been a useful site for small modeling parts, I would appreciate knowing if other modelers have been able to locate the site recently.

Many thanks!

Michael Gross
Facebook.com/ActorMichaelGross
Twitter.com/MichaelGrossBiz

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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing





Fri Mar 4, 2016 10:23 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Michael Mang" dlw1600




A search on amazon.com returned "Shop Small Parts Store". That takes you to
their complete inventory. While not as easy to navigate as the old
smallparts.com site, I was able to go through and find the small size
screws and nuts I had bought in the past.

Michael Mang

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:47 PM Michael Gross ActorMichaelGross@gmail.com
[STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

This is a helpful alternative, as I have been unable to find
smallparts.com (an alternative source of small-I.D. tubing) on the web.
It has apparently been absorbed—devoured?—by Amazon.

As it has been a useful site for small modeling parts, I would appreciate
knowing if other modelers have been able to locate the site recently.

Many thanks!

*Michael Gross*
*Facebook.com/ActorMichaelGross <http://Facebook.com/ActorMichaelGross>*
*Twitter.com/MichaelGrossBiz <http://Twitter.com/MichaelGrossBiz>*


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Re: P2K 10K tank car replacement railing





Fri Mar 4, 2016 10:27 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Tim O'Connor" cf5250




Michael

This is the product recommended by Tom Madden

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FN5QME

Tim O'Connor

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This is a helpful alternative, as I have been unable to find <http://smallparts.com>smallparts.com (an alternative source of small-I.D. tubing) on the web. It has apparently been absorbed—devoured?—by Amazon.

As it has been a useful site for small modeling parts, I would appreciate knowing if other modelers have been able to locate the site recently.

Many thanks!

Michael Gross








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HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits





Fri Mar 4, 2016 10:42 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Andy Carlson" midcentury@sbcglobal.net




To STMFC:Hello everyone-The Santa Fe had many AAR 40' box cars in many different series. Features were changed with the passage of time as new products replaced older designs. In researching the special ATSF Bx-44 class of boxcars, both Charles Slater and Tim O'Connor were very helpful. Much of the info came from Richard Hendrickson's compilation of various sources, including the Santa Fe freight car folios.

I am offering enhanced kits for the Santa Fe's Bx-44 series of cars, built after the war. The new 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught end and metal running boards were typical for many cars built during this post-war era. Most noticeable about this Santa Fe class was their use of the unique post-war Youngstown Interim improved 5/6/5 steel doors. These doors were nearly identical to the SP's Interim improved Youngstown 5/5/5 doors (the 'Overnight" doors) but with one big difference--the panel count was one more than the Overnight door, as the SP door covered a less-tall door opening for the SP's 10'0" IH box cars. Dan Hall of South West Scale Productions has tooled up both versions of the Youngstown Interim improved doors and this Bx-44 enhanced kit will use the Santa Fe Interim improved 5/6/5 door.

From Richard Hendrickson and Charles Slater:

Roofs were black and so were the running boards, since theywere steel.
Running board applications were:

138700-138824 MORTON
138825-138949 GYPSUM
138950-139199 APEX

Air brake reservoirs were mounted transversely and the carswere equipped
with Royal F brake regulators, which were quite visible inprofile under
the car.

series 138700-139199 blt 1945-1946 MT VERNON, sloganassignments:

138700-138799 - Grand Canyon
138800-138899 - Scout
138900-138999 - El Capitan
139000-139099 - Super Chief
139100-139199 - Chief
The last 250 Bx-44 cars uses all of the components of this enhanced kit. The El Capitan; Super Chief; Chief, slogans are the only usable ones with this kit's combination of parts. To do Grand Canyon and Scout would require different running boards.

From Tim O'Connor, Becky's brother.A photo of 139145 shows an AJAX brake wheel, confirmed by the ATSF folio which indicates all of the Bx-44 cars were Ajax equipped.

I offer the Bx-44 enhanced kit with the following components:1 Intermountain 40899 modified AR 10'6" IH box car w/ 6' door opening1 ea. IMRC and Terry Wegmann Ajax power brake and wheel
1 Red Caboose raised rectangular panel roof

1 pair of IMRC 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends1 pair of South West Scale Bx-44 5/6/5 interim improved Youngstown doors1 Details west AB brake set1 IMRC Apex Tri-Lock etched metal running board

Each enhanced kit is offered for $33 each; shipping to US addresses included.I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
I have three builders photo scans of these cars provided by Charles Slater which I can forward to anyone who would like to look at a Bx-44. Simply request the photos from my personal email address (see above).
Thanks,-Andy CarlsonOjai CA










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Re: HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits





Fri Mar 4, 2016 11:55 am (PST) . Posted by:

"Hunter, James R." naptownprr




Andy,

I am interested in this ATSF enhanced kit. What is your mailing address, and please send mw the photos. Thanks.

Jim Hunter

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Andy Carlson midcentury@sbcglobal.net [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 1:42 PM
To: yahoogroups
Subject: [STMFC] HO '45-'46 Santa Fe Bx 44-box car Enhanced kits

To STMFC:
Hello everyone-
The Santa Fe had many AAR 40' box cars in many different series. Features were changed with the passage of time as new products replaced older designs. In researching the special ATSF Bx-44 class of boxcars, both Charles Slater and Tim O'Connor were very helpful. Much of the info came from Richard Hendrickson's compilation of various sources, including the Santa Fe freight car folios.

I am offering enhanced kits for the Santa Fe's Bx-44 series of cars, built after the war. The new 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught end and metal running boards were typical for many cars built during this post-war era. Most noticeable about this Santa Fe class was their use of the unique post-war Youngstown Interim improved 5/6/5 steel doors. These doors were nearly identical to the SP's Interim improved Youngstown 5/5/5 doors (the 'Overnight" doors) but with one big difference--the panel count was one more than the Overnight door, as the SP door covered a less-tall door opening for the SP's 10'0" IH box cars. Dan Hall of South West Scale Productions has tooled up both versions of the Youngstown Interim improved doors and this Bx-44 ! enhanced kit will use the Santa Fe Interim improved 5/6/5 door.

From Richard Hendrickson and Charles Slater:

Roofs were black and so were the running boards, since they were steel.
Running board applications were:

138700-138824 MORTON
138825-138949 GYPSUM
138950-139199 APEX

Air brake reservoirs were mounted transversely and the cars were equipped
with Royal F brake regulators, which were quite visible in profile under
the car.

series 138700-139199 blt 1945-1946 MT VERNON, slogan assignments:

138700-138799 - Grand Canyon
138800-138899 - Scout
138900-138999 - El Capitan
139000-139099 - Super Chief
139100-139199 - Chief
The last 250 Bx-44 cars uses all of the components of this enhanced kit. The El Capitan; Super Chief; Chief, slogans are the only usable ones with this kit's combination of parts. To do Grand Canyon and Scout would require different running boards.

From Tim O'Connor, Becky's brother.
A photo of 139145 shows an AJAX brake wheel, confirmed by the ATSF folio which indicates all of the Bx-44 cars were Ajax equipped.

I offer the Bx-44 enhanced kit with the following components:
1 Intermountain 40899 modified AR 10'6" IH box car w/ 6' door opening
1 ea. IMRC and Terry Wegmann Ajax power brake and wheel
1 Red Caboose raised rectangular panel roof

1 pair of IMRC 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends
1 pair of South West Scale Bx-44 5/6/5 interi! m improved Youngstown doors
1 Details west AB brake set
1 IMRC Apex Tri-Lock etched metal running board

Each enhanced kit is offered for $33 each; shipping to US addresses included.
I accept checks and money orders. With a small fee I also accept PayPal. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>

I have three builders photo scans of these cars provided by Charles Slater which I can forward to anyone who would like to look at a Bx-44. Simply request the photos from my personal email address (see above).

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA










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Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell





Fri Mar 4, 2016 11:05 am (PST) . Posted by:

ed_mines




Advice well taken but the canopy glue worked great without any washing.


Do airplane modelers use canopy glue in place of the stinky old model airplane glue?


Ed Mines











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Re: canopy cement/plastic kit from hell





Fri Mar 4, 2016 11:27 am (PST) . Posted by:

lnbill




I doubt it. They use it for the canopy because it will not blemish the clear canopy like CA or the liquids like MEK, Testors, Tennex, Tamiya etc. that they would use for the rest of the aircraft.

Bill










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Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things





Fri Mar 4, 2016 12:38 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Ted Culotta" tcschc




A few items from Speedwitch:

The following are back in stock:

- P109 – Lehigh New England 1923 ARA rebuild parts sets
<http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/p109-lehigh-new-england-rebuilt-ara-box-car-parts-set/>;
- D109 – UTLX Tank Car decals
<http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d109-utlx-tank-cars/>;
- D119.1 – Fruit Growers Express ‘1948’ refrigerator car decal
<http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/d119-1-fruit-growers-express-1948-rebuilt-wood-refrigerator-cars/>;

I also have one each of the following O scale resin kits for sale:

- Chooch kit #3149 – Pacific Fruit Express R-40-2 refrigerator car
<http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/chooch-kit-3149-pacific-fruit-express-r-40-2-refrigerator-car/>;
- Chooch kit #3150 – Milwaukee Road 40′ single sheathed automobile car
<http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/chooch-kit-3150-milwaukee-road-40-single-sheathed-automobile-car/>;
- Chooch kit #3156 – Great Northern 50′ single sheathed automobile car
<http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/chooch-kit-3156-great-northern-50-single-sheathed-automobile-car/>;

Cheers,
Ted
--
Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
speedwitchmedia@gmail.com - www.speedwitchmedia.com
Blog: http://prototopics.blogspot.com









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Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things





Fri Mar 4, 2016 2:19 pm (PST) . Posted by:

lnbill




Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87.

Bill Welch









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Re: Speedwitch restocks and a few O scale things





Fri Mar 4, 2016 2:36 pm (PST) . Posted by:

"Tim O'Connor" cf5250





didn't F&C do the MILW car in HO?

At 3/4/2016 05:19 PM Friday, you wrote:

Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87.

Bill Welch

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At 3/4/2016 05:19 PM Friday, you wrote:

Sure wish someone would do that MILW Road 40-footer in 1/87.

Bill Welch