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Re: paint failure

Greg Martin
 

Erick,
 
That is their rebuilt auto box. In my bucket list....
 
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 3/11/2016 6:31:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, STMFC@... writes:

And to the right, just above the gondola, is a Wheeling & Lake Erie steel sheathed box car in dark brown paint. I was thinking about this image earlier with the Pittsburgh Brown conversation.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: gondola loads --top view

 




---In STMFC@..., <GEORGESIMMONS@...> wrote :

Looks like loads of lumber to me.

George W.Simmons
Dry Prong, La.

After copying & enlarging the image it looks to me like a load of large & long dimensional lumber i.e. not crates.
Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA


Re: L&N Locos

william darnaby
 

I have a color photo of one in one of my Morning Sun books. Contact me off list so we don’t end up in jail.



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Bill Darnaby



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 8:24 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] L&N Locos








HHHEEELLLPPP!!!



I took in some L&N power to work on for a customer -- one railroad I know absolutely nothing about.



First, he gave me an FA2/FB2 to work on because the sound in the FB2 wasn't working. Turned out to be a loose speaker wire on the decoder board. So I asked him if he wanted them numbered (they are unnumbered Bachmann units). I ordered a set of Microscale 87-639 decals to get the "cream" numbers, but realized I could not find a photo of an early-1950's L&N FB2 for love money or marbles!!! I was only able to find two of the FA2 in that paint scheme. I think the Bachmann FB2 may be lettered wrong (it's not the same as the P2K FB2), but don't know if either is right since I can find nada photo of a real one.



Any help?



Also, does anyone know if the FA2/FB2 had diaphragms on them as delivered?



Last issue. He gave me a Genesis Light Pacific in L&N and wanted to know what sound decoder he should get. I recommended a Soundtraxx, but think he is probably going to buy an MRC heavy steam sound decoder. The big problem is that when I tested the loco out, it had a hitch in the valve gear. When I finally figured that out (some heavy-handed $#@^&$$ squashed one of the rods), I noticed that there was also a problem with the gear on the center drivers slipping, or failing to engage the gears on the motor assembly. Very un-Genesis like, the gears are not very well made. I found two problems, first the gear appears to be slipping on the axle. Worst yet, it is slipping when rotating, and second, there is a lot of side to side play on the wheels (even though the center axle has blind drivers) so it is completely slipping off the drive gear laterally.



I think a drop of thin superglue will solve problem 1 (worked for an Overland brass diesel of mine) and am thinking of putting a piece of plastic tube around the axle to limit its side to side play. I will split the tube and fit it around the axle then glue it back together (do NOT want to mess with the valve gear, pulling the wheels or quartering the drivers -- I don't have the tools do do either of the latter two).



What sayest the experts here???



-- John


L&N Locos

John Sykes III
 

HHHEEELLLPPP!!!


I took in some L&N power to work on for a customer -- one railroad I know absolutely nothing about.


First, he gave me an FA2/FB2 to work on because the sound in the FB2 wasn't working.  Turned out to be a loose speaker wire on the decoder board.  So I asked him if he wanted them numbered (they are unnumbered Bachmann units).  I ordered a set of Microscale 87-639 decals to get the "cream" numbers, but realized I could not find a photo of an early-1950's L&N FB2 for love money or marbles!!!  I was only able to find two of the FA2 in that paint scheme.  I think the Bachmann FB2 may be lettered wrong (it's not the same as the P2K FB2), but don't know if either is right since I can find nada photo of a real one.


Any help?


Also, does anyone know if the FA2/FB2 had diaphragms on them as delivered?


Last issue.  He gave me a Genesis Light Pacific in L&N and wanted to know what sound decoder he should get.  I recommended a Soundtraxx, but think he is probably going to buy an MRC heavy steam sound decoder.  The big problem is that when I tested the loco out, it had a hitch in the valve gear.  When I finally figured that out (some heavy-handed $#@^&$$ squashed one of the rods), I noticed that there was also a problem with the gear on the center drivers slipping, or failing to engage the gears on the motor assembly.  Very un-Genesis like, the gears are not very well made.  I found two problems, first the gear appears to be slipping on the axle.  Worst yet, it is slipping when rotating, and second, there is a lot of side to side play on the wheels (even though the center axle has blind drivers) so it is completely slipping off the drive gear laterally.


I think a drop of thin superglue will solve problem 1 (worked for an Overland  brass diesel of mine) and am thinking of putting a piece of plastic tube around the axle to limit its side to side play.  I will split the tube and fit it around the axle then glue it back together (do NOT want to mess with the valve gear, pulling the wheels or quartering the drivers -- I don't have the tools do do either of the latter two).


What sayest the experts here???


-- John


Re: New Haven coal gondola

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Dave, Eric, and List Members,
 
Nicely done work! I have often considered modeling this NH GA-2 class of gons in N scale - we have an ancient Arnold gondola that would serve as a reasonable starting point - see link below:
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

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Subject: [STMFC] New Haven coal gondola

Need a gondola for your fleet? A New Haven coal gondola is the subject today on the blog. Dave Parker guests with details on building an HO scale F&C resin freight car kit. 

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/03/11/new-haven-steel-coal-gondolas/


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: When we used to make things

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

SORRY DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT HERE.
Paul Doggett UK




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Re: PFE 21919 R30-13

Bill Welch
 

I am 70 years old. Hard to remember everything or was I making sure people were paying attention?

Bill Welch


Re: GDB

Clark Propst
 

Looking at the cars I posted seems they stop then move down the line. Grain doors is a good explanation for DGB, especially being grain doors are not mentioned otherwise.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: gondola loads --top view

George Simmons
 

Looks like loads of lumber to me.

George W.Simmons
Dry Prong, La.


When we used to make things

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Pittsburgh Brown

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,
You might consider Tru Color's Erie freight car brown.    It has a very nice brownish hue.

Brad Andonian


On Saturday, March 12, 2016 6:08 AM, "'Dave Lawler' davelawler@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Elden and Eric, thank you for the reply regarding the Wheeling’s car colors.
The car series referenced in the post were “24000-24199 built early in 1941 by ACF (lot no.2137)”
I still have about 2/3 bottle of Floquil Roof Brown however the light yellow will be a bit of a challenge.
I’ll try to approximate it with something by Tru-Color. Maybe their Rich Oxide Brown but it may be too red.
I’ll try the Roof Brown on a test card and see what I can conjure up.
Thanks again,
Dave Lawler
 
 

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Re: PFE 21919 R30-13

Tony Thompson
 

I think the car is an R-30-12; the number is an original -12 number and it has a typical Bettendorf body bolster.


     Um, if you look, it is lettered "R-30-12" right on the car side.

It looks like the grab irons may be the same color as the car side on this car, something I've noticed looking at other photos of these cars. Tony?

I wonder how late were in service with the original 6 grabs on the right. Any idea Tony?


        The PFE lettering diagrams as late as 1950 continued to show side grab irons as black. I think that this car (reweigh date is 5-41, consistent with the paint scheme) has such grabs, but the illumination angle makes them look light.
         Cars of R-30-12 and -13 kept their grab iron ladders in many cases until rebuilt or scrapped in the late 1940s. When "reconditioned" in the late 1930s, some got ladders but only a minority, as far as I can judge from photos and shop records. If anyone is interested, I could look up and see what this car was rebuilt into, and when, or if it was merely scrapped.

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Re: PFE 21919 R30-13

ed_mines
 

Thanks Bill, photos of these cars are always welcome.


I think the car is an R-30-12; the number is an original -12 number and it has a typical Bettendorf body bolster.


The car retains the original 6 grab irons on the right but has had a second grab

iron added  on the left.


It looks like the grab irons may be the same color as the car side on this car, something I've noticed looking at other photos of these cars. Tony?


I wonder how late were in service with the original 6 grabs on the right. Any idea Tony?


Ed Mines



Re: SP Resin kits...where are they?

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:

 

I just looked at the Westerfield website to refresh my memory and I don't see any shrinkage in their SP offerings. Speedwitch has a very nice SP/TN&O DD SS 40-ft car—mine would be finished if I could figure out how to do the brake wheel gear thingy. Missing in Action are the important cars done by Sunshine, the 8-panel Z-braced Howe trussed and the 6-panel Hat section braced Pratt trussed cars.


I would not be quick to dismiss the F&C 50ft SS kit, it builds into a gorgeous model.

     I entirely agree with Bill about both the Westerfield and Sunshine kits, and especially about the F&C kit for the A-50-6 car, one of the finest moldings Steve Funaro has ever done, in my opinion. And Bill is exactly right, it builds into a gorgeous model. 

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PFE 21919 R30-13

Bill Welch
 

For anyone modeling around 1941 here are two photos of a PFE reefer I own for your use. Feel free to download. Be aware they are large files. Enjoy!


PFE 21919 copy


Bill Welch




Re: SP Resin kits...where are they?

Bill Welch
 

I just looked at the Westerfield website to refresh my memory and I don't see any shrinkage in their SP offerings. Speedwitch has a very nice SP/TN&O DD SS 40-ft car—mine would be finished if I could figure out how to do the brake wheel gear thingy. Missing in Action are the important cars done by Sunshine, the 8-panel Z-braced Howe trussed and the 6-panel Hat section braced Pratt trussed cars.

I would not be quick to dismiss the F&C 50ft SS kit, it builds into a gorgeous model.

Bill Welch


Re: [EXTERNAL] Pittsburgh Brown

Dave Lawler
 

Elden and Eric, thank you for the reply regarding the Wheeling’s car colors.
The car series referenced in the post were “24000-24199 built early in 1941 by ACF (lot no.2137)”
I still have about 2/3 bottle of Floquil Roof Brown however the light yellow will be a bit of a challenge.
I’ll try to approximate it with something by Tru-Color. Maybe their Rich Oxide Brown but it may be too red.
I’ll try the Roof Brown on a test card and see what I can conjure up.
Thanks again,
Dave Lawler
 
 

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gondola loads --top view

gary laakso
 

The loads appear to be muliple large wooden containers with 8 metal (or painted wood) stakes holding them in place on the side with the stakes fastened to supports across the top of the loads:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: paint failure

Eric Hansmann
 

The B&O M-26 might be in original paint and lettering. Note there is only one grab on the left side and there is no B&O emblem. 

And to the right, just above the gondola, is a Wheeling & Lake Erie steel sheathed box car in dark brown paint. I was thinking about this image earlier with the Pittsburgh Brown conversation.

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



On March 11, 2016 at 7:01 PM "'gary laakso' vasa0vasa@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

This B&O M-26 has really had a paint failure with large areas of steel showing:
 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


SP Resin kits...where are they?

amwing1588@...
 

Hey all,

Does anyone know where I can purchase several prototypical 40' S/S and D/S resin boxcar kits for the Southern Pacific (at a reasonable price)? I always thought that Westerfield was a good source, but they've reduce their offerings...and F&C only offers their 50' S/S kits. I've been checking all the different manufacturers resin kit sites that I know of, but it seems that SP resin kits are a non-existent commodity. Any help would greatly be appreciated.

Thanks much!
John Miller
Folsom, CA.


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