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Re: Covered hopper

destorzek@...
 

And conversely, the Soo Line never adopted gray, their cement cars remained FCR their entire lives.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Help Finding Large Layout SIG

John Sykes III
 

Sorry.  When I said "SIG" I meant generic special interest groups, not necessarily NMRA.  I looked around here but only could find a Small Layout Group.  I could have sworn that there was a general layout group here on Yahoo once, but I can't find it.

--John


Re: Red Caboose Freight Car Roofs

John Sykes III
 

Branchline used to sell them separately.  I would check with Atlas (under parts) to see if they are still carrying them.  My understanding was that Atlas acquired all the Branchline rolling stock AND PARTS.  But it might be a little difficult to dig them out of the Atlas website.

Branchline sold the following parts separately:

Roofs (Murphy and Diag Panel I think the Murphys had wood running boards and the Diag had Apex, but I am not sure of this)
End details
Side details
Ends (Various styles of Dreadnaught)
Doors (Various styles and sizes)
I think they sold different styles of running boards, but I would go with Plano for any metal running boards)

Des Plains Hobbies sells (or used to sell) 40 ft Viking roofs.

Sorry, I am keeping all of mine!!!

-- John


Re: Covered hopper

John Evans
 

I'm no authority but I would think the color choice would have a lot to do with the commodity carried. Cement was one of the earliest and looks worse when spilled on a dark colored car body. Witness the Lackawanna's black cars for cement. Most others here in NE PA were gray although LV did repaint some red in the 60's.

John Evans 
Easton, PA


On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:29 PM, SUVCWORR@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

Tim,


I appreciate the humor in your response.  It was an earnest question.  There is an ongoing dispute at the Western Pennsylvania Model Railroad museum about the correct color to use on the home road covered hoppers made by converting open top hoppers to covered.  The cars were theoretically built in 1939.  Some insist they need to be gray.    Others point out that early covered hoppers were for the most part the "normal" freight car color for the roads fleet.  For example the PRR covered hoppers were freight car color until the change in paint scheme circa 1953 with the introduction of synthetic pigment paint and abandonment of natural pigments.

Evidence would seem to point to "gray" becoming the universal color, with some noted exceptions, for covered hoppers with the introduction of the 2 bay PS-2.  

Rich Orr


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To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2016 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Covered hopper

Rich

I think it was after the 1954 Supreme Court decision that struck down
discrimination based on the color of covered hoppers.

Honestly, was that a serious question?

Tim O'Connor


>What is the approximate date that the various shades of gray became the defacto standard color for covered hoppers? It seems to be with the introduction of the PS-2 2003 cf cars.
>Rich Orr



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Re: Covered hopper

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

Remember RAILWAY PROTOTYPE CYCLOPEDIA? If you guys had looked there, you might have noted that some covered hoppers delivered as early as 1940 were gray (L&N and ACL, just to name two from that time). The gray color had NOTHING to do with the PS-1s. Up through the late 1940s, a significant number of covered hoppers for cement service were delivered in black, and some were in various shades of red oxide. Black continued to be a favorite color for covered hoppers carrying chemicals.

Come on gang: try using our wonderful resources before posting idle speculation.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 3/18/16 7:29 PM, SUVCWORR@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Tim,


I appreciate the humor in your response.  It was an earnest question.  There is an ongoing dispute at the Western Pennsylvania Model Railroad museum about the correct color to use on the home road covered hoppers made by converting open top hoppers to covered.  The cars were theoretically built in 1939.  Some insist they need to be gray.    Others point out that early covered hoppers were for the most part the "normal" freight car color for the roads fleet.  For example the PRR covered hoppers were freight car color until the change in paint scheme circa 1953 with the introduction of synthetic pigment paint and abandonment of natural pigments.

Evidence would seem to point to "gray" becoming the universal color, with some noted exceptions, for covered hoppers with the introduction of the 2 bay PS-2.  

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2016 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Covered hopper

Rich

I think it was after the 1954 Supreme Court decision that struck down
discrimination based on the color of covered hoppers.

Honestly, was that a serious question?

Tim O'Connor


>What is the approximate date that the various shades of gray became the defacto standard color for covered hoppers? It seems to be with the introduction of the PS-2 2003 cf cars.
>Rich Orr



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Re: Covered hopper

rdgbuff56
 

The Reading's first conversions were black as were their hoppers.

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.

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From:"SUVCWORR@... [STMFC]"
Date:Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:30 pm
Subject:Re: [STMFC] Covered hopper

 

Tim,


I appreciate the humor in your response.  It was an earnest question.  There is an ongoing dispute at the Western Pennsylvania Model Railroad museum about the correct color to use on the home road covered hoppers made by converting open top hoppers to covered.  The cars were theoretically built in 1939.  Some insist they need to be gray.    Others point out that early covered hoppers were for the most part the "normal" freight car color for the roads fleet.  For example the PRR covered hoppers were freight car color until the change in paint scheme circa 1953 with the introduction of synthetic pigment paint and abandonment of natural pigments.

Evidence would seem to point to "gray" becoming the universal color, with some noted exceptions, for covered hoppers with the introduction of the 2 bay PS-2.  

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2016 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Covered hopper

Rich

I think it was after the 1954 Supreme Court decision that struck down
discrimination based on the color of covered hoppers.

Honestly, was that a serious question?

Tim O'Connor


>What is the approximate date that the various shades of gray became the defacto standard color for covered hoppers? It seems to be with the introduction of the PS-2 2003 cf cars.
>Rich Orr



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Re: Covered hopper

SUVCWORR@...
 

Tim,

I appreciate the humor in your response.  It was an earnest question.  There is an ongoing dispute at the Western Pennsylvania Model Railroad museum about the correct color to use on the home road covered hoppers made by converting open top hoppers to covered.  The cars were theoretically built in 1939.  Some insist they need to be gray.    Others point out that early covered hoppers were for the most part the "normal" freight car color for the roads fleet.  For example the PRR covered hoppers were freight car color until the change in paint scheme circa 1953 with the introduction of synthetic pigment paint and abandonment of natural pigments.

Evidence would seem to point to "gray" becoming the universal color, with some noted exceptions, for covered hoppers with the introduction of the 2 bay PS-2.  

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2016 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Covered hopper

Rich

I think it was after the 1954 Supreme Court decision that struck down
discrimination based on the color of covered hoppers.

Honestly, was that a serious question?

Tim O'Connor


>What is the approximate date that the various shades of gray became the defacto standard color for covered hoppers? It seems to be with the introduction of the PS-2 2003 cf cars.
>Rich Orr



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Re: Covered hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Rich

I think it was after the 1954 Supreme Court decision that struck down
discrimination based on the color of covered hoppers.

Honestly, was that a serious question?

Tim O'Connor

What is the approximate date that the various shades of gray became the defacto standard color for covered hoppers? It seems to be with the introduction of the PS-2 2003 cf cars.
Rich Orr


Covered hopper

SUVCWORR@...
 

What is the approximate date that the various shades of gray became the defacto standard color for covered hoppers?   It seems to be with the introduction of the PS-2 2003 cf cars.


Rich Orr


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Milwaukee HO Cement 2-bay hoppers 3-pac ACF 1958 cu ft by Kato

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I am offering a new 3-pack set of Milwaukee 70-ton ACF 2 bay 1958 cu ft cement covered hoppers. This 3-pac has three kits for Milwaukee LOs:
1 Milw 99073 blt 5-49
1 Milw 99142 blt 5-49
1 Milw 99208 blt 5-49

These are all in as-delivered gray scheme with small red "Milwaukee, St Paul and Pacific" herald.
Though 70-ton cars, Kato used their 50-ton trucks. I have substituted the correct ASF A-3 70-ton Ride Control trucks from Tahoe Model Works with the semi-scale code 88 metal wheel sets.If desired, I can supply these trucks with the code 110 RP25 wheel sets at no extra charge. This factory 3 pack of Milwaukee covered hopper kits is Kato # 38-0108

Priced at $45, plus shipping of $7 to US addresses. If interested, contact me off-list at
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Red Caboose Freight Car Roofs

Allan Smith
 

I am in need of about  six Murphy panel roofs. Does anyone know where I can get them?? If anyone wants to trade I have six diagonal panel roofs I don't need.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Malvern

Ted Culotta
 

Is anybody looking for a roommate for this weekend? If so, please contact me off-list. Thank you.

Cheers,


Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

While not quite as nice as the Intermountain models, the old E&B Valley/Eastern Car Works AC&F kits and the unique ECW Enterprise hopper kits are still worthy models and can be improved. These are out of production now, but they still turn up frequently at train shows. And don't forget the Kato covered hoppers, if you can still find any.

In resin, F&C offers a 1321 cu ft Greenville car with Erie decals. They also offer the PRR Gle and H33 covered hoppers.

Tichy offers a D&H USRA boxcar converted to cement service.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/17/16 1:28 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] wrote:

�

Rich,

�

��������������� Try the 1,958 cu-ft LO�s from Intermountain or Bowser.� On the UP example I cited earlier in this thread, almost all of the cars were home-road.� So I suggest either lettering the cars for your home road, or selecting a prototype roadname that is adjacent to your proto-freelanced RR.

�

��������������� I think you can also get away with 2-bay PS-2 hoppers, which were brand-new in your timeframe.� You�ll have to check specific roadnames to ensure they had them in 1955.� Models are made by Kadee and MDC (I suppose Athearn has them now (?)) .

�

Regards,

�

-Jeff

�

�

�

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:40 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

�

�

I have been following the BULK CEMENT conversations with great interest.� Having grown up in Elizabeth, NJ, about two block from the Eport yard I remember seeing cars with gray streaks on them: now I know what they were.� For me, the million dollar question is, what models exist?� I'm on a very tight budget, but that will not preclude me from building a "fleet of cars" over time.� I am modeling the fall of 1955.� I am not modeling a specific prototype, but rather proto-lancing and minimally would like to have prototype cars running on the layout.

�

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

�

Thanks,

Rich Ramik



Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the first production PS-2 2003 cuft car was 12/1953 for Monon.

Tim O'Connor


  Jeff Aley wrote:
  "I think you can also get away with 2-bay PS-2 hoppers, which were brand-new in your timeframe.


Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Benjamin Hom
 

Jeff Aley wrote:
"I think you can also get away with 2-bay PS-2 hoppers, which were brand-new in your timeframe.  You’ll have to check specific roadnames to ensure they had them in 1955.  Models are made by Kadee and MDC (I suppose Athearn has them now (?)) ."

Athearn does indeed have them, with minor retooling that improved the running board and hopper discharge gates.  Here's an example:
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=RND96149

Don't confuse this model with the 2600 cu ft 2-bay PS-2, which is all-new tooling by Athearn.


Ben Hom


Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Aley, Jeff A
 

Rich,

 

                Try the 1,958 cu-ft LO’s from Intermountain or Bowser.  On the UP example I cited earlier in this thread, almost all of the cars were home-road.  So I suggest either lettering the cars for your home road, or selecting a prototype roadname that is adjacent to your proto-freelanced RR.

 

                I think you can also get away with 2-bay PS-2 hoppers, which were brand-new in your timeframe.  You’ll have to check specific roadnames to ensure they had them in 1955.  Models are made by Kadee and MDC (I suppose Athearn has them now (?)) .

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:40 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

 

 

I have been following the BULK CEMENT conversations with great interest.  Having grown up in Elizabeth, NJ, about two block from the Eport yard I remember seeing cars with gray streaks on them: now I know what they were.  For me, the million dollar question is, what models exist?  I'm on a very tight budget, but that will not preclude me from building a "fleet of cars" over time.  I am modeling the fall of 1955.  I am not modeling a specific prototype, but rather proto-lancing and minimally would like to have prototype cars running on the layout.

 

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Rich Ramik


ADMIN: Termination of "Tanks under wraps"

Mikebrock
 

And, now, given that we have probably exhausted the subject relative to steam era frt cars, the thread on "tanks under wraps" is now terminated.

Mike Brock
STMFC Boss


Re: DECALS

mwbauers
 

Ya know ??

The same problems were pointed out for a lot of years with the Walthers decals. I had to design and make my own from the prototype for a local road and the Walthers sets were using O-scale heralds, funny colors, and fictional data in the HO sets I got for comparison. The locals told me that was the way they had been making them for decades. There were other problems with those decals as well.

I love my Alps printer.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Mar 16, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Brad Andonian  wrote:

 

Not one to complain, here is my experience:

I have purchased about seven sets; most have errors in the following areas: font size, data missing/incorrect, heralds sized incorrectly and he ships slow....

I have emailed him off ebay and on; he blocked me and does not want any suggestions.
In his defense, his decals are well printed.

Good luck,
Brad Andonian
…………….

A short time ago there was some discussion about a line fo decals that was being sold on E-Bay. Does anyone
have a website or recal the location ofl the E-bay posting?
Thanks:
Bill Pardie

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