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Milwaukee HO Cement 2-bay hoppers 3-pac ACF 1958 cu ft by Kato

Andy Carlson
 

Hello-
I am offering a new 3-pack set of Milwaukee 70-ton ACF 2 bay 1958 cu ft cement covered hoppers. This 3-pac has three kits for Milwaukee LOs:
1 Milw 99073 blt 5-49
1 Milw 99142 blt 5-49
1 Milw 99208 blt 5-49

These are all in as-delivered gray scheme with small red "Milwaukee, St Paul and Pacific" herald.
Though 70-ton cars, Kato used their 50-ton trucks. I have substituted the correct ASF A-3 70-ton Ride Control trucks from Tahoe Model Works with the semi-scale code 88 metal wheel sets.If desired, I can supply these trucks with the code 110 RP25 wheel sets at no extra charge. This factory 3 pack of Milwaukee covered hopper kits is Kato # 38-0108

Priced at $45, plus shipping of $7 to US addresses. If interested, contact me off-list at
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Red Caboose Freight Car Roofs

Allan Smith
 

I am in need of about  six Murphy panel roofs. Does anyone know where I can get them?? If anyone wants to trade I have six diagonal panel roofs I don't need.

Al Smith
Sonora CA


Malvern

Ted Culotta
 

Is anybody looking for a roommate for this weekend? If so, please contact me off-list. Thank you.

Cheers,


Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Friends,

While not quite as nice as the Intermountain models, the old E&B Valley/Eastern Car Works AC&F kits and the unique ECW Enterprise hopper kits are still worthy models and can be improved. These are out of production now, but they still turn up frequently at train shows. And don't forget the Kato covered hoppers, if you can still find any.

In resin, F&C offers a 1321 cu ft Greenville car with Erie decals. They also offer the PRR Gle and H33 covered hoppers.

Tichy offers a D&H USRA boxcar converted to cement service.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 3/17/16 1:28 PM, 'Aley, Jeff A' Jeff.A.Aley@... [STMFC] wrote:

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Rich,

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��������������� Try the 1,958 cu-ft LO�s from Intermountain or Bowser.� On the UP example I cited earlier in this thread, almost all of the cars were home-road.� So I suggest either lettering the cars for your home road, or selecting a prototype roadname that is adjacent to your proto-freelanced RR.

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��������������� I think you can also get away with 2-bay PS-2 hoppers, which were brand-new in your timeframe.� You�ll have to check specific roadnames to ensure they had them in 1955.� Models are made by Kadee and MDC (I suppose Athearn has them now (?)) .

�

Regards,

�

-Jeff

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:40 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

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I have been following the BULK CEMENT conversations with great interest.� Having grown up in Elizabeth, NJ, about two block from the Eport yard I remember seeing cars with gray streaks on them: now I know what they were.� For me, the million dollar question is, what models exist?� I'm on a very tight budget, but that will not preclude me from building a "fleet of cars" over time.� I am modeling the fall of 1955.� I am not modeling a specific prototype, but rather proto-lancing and minimally would like to have prototype cars running on the layout.

�

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

�

Thanks,

Rich Ramik



Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the first production PS-2 2003 cuft car was 12/1953 for Monon.

Tim O'Connor


  Jeff Aley wrote:
  "I think you can also get away with 2-bay PS-2 hoppers, which were brand-new in your timeframe.


Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Benjamin Hom
 

Jeff Aley wrote:
"I think you can also get away with 2-bay PS-2 hoppers, which were brand-new in your timeframe.  You’ll have to check specific roadnames to ensure they had them in 1955.  Models are made by Kadee and MDC (I suppose Athearn has them now (?)) ."

Athearn does indeed have them, with minor retooling that improved the running board and hopper discharge gates.  Here's an example:
http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=RND96149

Don't confuse this model with the 2600 cu ft 2-bay PS-2, which is all-new tooling by Athearn.


Ben Hom


Re: Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

Aley, Jeff A
 

Rich,

 

                Try the 1,958 cu-ft LO’s from Intermountain or Bowser.  On the UP example I cited earlier in this thread, almost all of the cars were home-road.  So I suggest either lettering the cars for your home road, or selecting a prototype roadname that is adjacent to your proto-freelanced RR.

 

                I think you can also get away with 2-bay PS-2 hoppers, which were brand-new in your timeframe.  You’ll have to check specific roadnames to ensure they had them in 1955.  Models are made by Kadee and MDC (I suppose Athearn has them now (?)) .

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:40 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Bulk Cement Shipments - Models

 

 

I have been following the BULK CEMENT conversations with great interest.  Having grown up in Elizabeth, NJ, about two block from the Eport yard I remember seeing cars with gray streaks on them: now I know what they were.  For me, the million dollar question is, what models exist?  I'm on a very tight budget, but that will not preclude me from building a "fleet of cars" over time.  I am modeling the fall of 1955.  I am not modeling a specific prototype, but rather proto-lancing and minimally would like to have prototype cars running on the layout.

 

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Rich Ramik


ADMIN: Termination of "Tanks under wraps"

Mikebrock
 

And, now, given that we have probably exhausted the subject relative to steam era frt cars, the thread on "tanks under wraps" is now terminated.

Mike Brock
STMFC Boss


Re: DECALS

mwbauers
 

Ya know ??

The same problems were pointed out for a lot of years with the Walthers decals. I had to design and make my own from the prototype for a local road and the Walthers sets were using O-scale heralds, funny colors, and fictional data in the HO sets I got for comparison. The locals told me that was the way they had been making them for decades. There were other problems with those decals as well.

I love my Alps printer.

Best to ya,
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi

On Mar 16, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Brad Andonian  wrote:

 

Not one to complain, here is my experience:

I have purchased about seven sets; most have errors in the following areas: font size, data missing/incorrect, heralds sized incorrectly and he ships slow....

I have emailed him off ebay and on; he blocked me and does not want any suggestions.
In his defense, his decals are well printed.

Good luck,
Brad Andonian
…………….

A short time ago there was some discussion about a line fo decals that was being sold on E-Bay. Does anyone
have a website or recal the location ofl the E-bay posting?
Thanks:
Bill Pardie


Re: tanks under wraps

Mikebrock
 

Denny Anspach writes:


"During a period in the mid sixties during the heart of the Viet Name war, I was Chief of Radiology at the Aberdeen Proving Ground, and as noted, they had a large number of very interesting exotic tracked vehicles and tanks on display from WWI, II, and the Korean conflict in the public area."

As has been mentioned, I, too was located at Aberdeen Proving Ground...from March 16 to August 1,1964. Before I terminate this thread [ which is careening wildly out of scope rapidly and I will give it a significant boost ], I will note that among the significant German tanks there was a Tiger I in the museum, and in a nearby field a Tiger II [ King Tiger ], Yagd Tiger, and Elephant. I believe a Yagd Panther was there as well. The presence of the Yagd Tiger is a bit surprising given the relative small number built [ 48 ]. There were 90 Elephants built so it is also rather rare.

I might add that there were at least two Panthers there. I was startled one day to see 2 Panthers in a parking lot. Next day they had moved. As was mentioned also, Anzio Annie [ RR gun ] was there.

And before this thread is terminated, I will add that Aberdeen had a very strange security system. We were given badges but we were not to wear them. We had to have an Aberdeen sticker on our car to enter. The road leading into the site had a long string of armored vehicles in its median. The last tank was a huge vehicle [ Tortoise? ] and a car loaded with MP's loved to hide behind it. Entry to Cape Canaveral Airforce Station at the time required a badge going in...and coming out and we had to wear it at all times.

Mike B rock



They also had an unspecified number of then-current captured , stolen, and purchased Russian tanks undergoing intensive testing and reverse engineering. This was all behind the fence in the vast Secure Area that constituted the major portion of this large base along the west shore of the upper Chesapeake. I never saw any of them, but because I held a low level Security Clearance that once allowed me behind the fence, I was told of them often enough. How did they arrive? Flat car, and tarp covered, and rolled behind the fence before being unloaded.

Why did I go behind the fence? To see for myself a whole bunch of grounded former PE Red Cars left over from WWII Aberdeen (PRR)-APG commuting duties. They were without trucks but still had their markers and class lights.

The APG railroad had two EMD switchers, one of which was given to the California State Railroad Museum about five years ago (transported gratis by N&W and UP), just after being completely overhauled. It is used regularly.

The Proving Ground has been virtually closed to visitors since 7/11, although I understand visiting may now be easier. I also understand that the vast collection of rolling armor that was on display has been removed to Ft. Belvoir, VA, including the “Anzio Annie” - type German railway gun.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: DECALS

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Brad -- I never ordered because I doubted anyone could produce
that many sets out of the blue so quickly and no one even knew him? I
remember some guy who sold dry transfers under the name Campbell and I
ordered some sight unseen -- nice heralds, but the data came with
COMMAS (!!) in the capacity like CAPY 100,000 -- and of course font
and size etc were mostly way off. What a hoot! Completely useless junk.

Sad thing is that most buyers just don't know, or they don't know and
don't care. You can count on one hand the number of vendors left who
really care and who sweat every detail.

Tim O'Connor



Not one to complain, here is my experience:

I have purchased about seven sets; most have errors in the following areas: font size, data missing/incorrect, heralds sized incorrectly and he ships slow....

I have emailed him off ebay and on; he blocked me and does not want any suggestions.
In his defense, his decals are well printed.

Good luck,
Brad Andonian


Bill I think this is the guy you meant -- DKMTECH is his Ebay handle

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PM-Pere-Marquette-Boxcar-Decals-altas-accurail-walthers-imrc-bowse-brass-kit-HO-/272044743881?hash=item3f57215cc9:g:UQMAAOSwT4lWRaaY

Tim O'Connor


A short time ago there was some discussion about a line fo decals that was being sold on E-Bay. Does anyone
have a website or recal the location ofl the E-bay posting?
Thanks:
Bill Pardie


Re: tanks under wraps

Bruce Smith
 

Sam,


Nope.  Here's an M4A3 (105mm gun).  The proportions of the side and fender are incorrect for the vehicle in the photo.

http://www.militarymodelling.com/sites/1/images/member_albums/35329/sherman%20m4%203.jpg


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of 'Sam Clarke - Kadee Quality Products Co.' mail@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 4:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] tanks under wraps
 


Hello group,
 
My guess is the vehicles do actually appear to be rear views of M4 Shermans with "welded hulls" and "full fender side skirting". I don't believe they are front view M5/M8, nor are they M18s.  Look closer at the angles of the tarp crease along the sides which matches the lines of the rear view of the welded M4 hull. The two square fender tips match the back ends of the full side skirts (mostly seen on the British versions used in the desert).  If they are front views of M5s or M8s the turrets look like they'd be on the engine compartment, way too far back and the front slope look way too steep and to me the hulls look too long for any version of the Stuart chassis. If they are M18 Hellcats then the barrel of the 3" gun would protrude past the end of the body with the turret turned in either direction, let alone the lower more level silhouette of the M18 hull. 
 
There is a certain mystery about why the tarps especially over common Sherman tanks but there are tarps over all the visible equipment whatever it might be. Another thing about the tarps is they do not appear to be secured very well, which might be OK for all I know about heavy tarps back then.  Also, if these are new factory fresh M4 Shermans. or any other tank for that matter, they seem to lack the crates of add on parts usually attached to the top of the hulls.
 
The more we look at this kind of photo the more questions arise, the more guesses and opinions we hear which is very interesting and thought provoking. 

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] tanks under wraps

 

Andy,


No, these are not M4 chassis.  not backwards, not forwards.  Period.  They are too narrow and the rear of a sherman (or any other M3 or M4 derivative) does not look like that!


If people insist on believing that these are a specific vehicle please provide a link to a photo that supports you opinion. Here is the early M5A1

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/Stuart_m5a1_cfb_borden.jpg

Additional features supporting the M5 include the machine gun blister, and the horizontal creases may be welded on angles such as those seen in the photo above...


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



From: STMFC@... on behalf of andy.laurent@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] tanks under wraps
 


Gents,
These look like M4 Shermans...we are looking at the rear of the tanks, with the turrets turned rearwards for transit (appearing to be turned to the "7:30" position, at an angle - the tarp is slightly tented where the barrel would be).  If I'm seeing things on the barrel, it could be that these are M4 chassis headed for conversion to a M74 Recovery Vehicle.
Andy




Re: DECALS

Brad Andonian
 

Not one to complain, here is my experience:

I have purchased about seven sets; most have errors in the following areas: font size, data missing/incorrect, heralds sized incorrectly and he ships slow....

I have emailed him off ebay and on; he blocked me and does not want any suggestions.
In his defense, his decals are well printed.

Good luck,
Brad Andonian


On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:56 PM, "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" wrote:


A short time ago there was some discussion about a line fo decals that was being sold on E-Bay. Does anyone
have a website or recal the location ofl the E-bay posting?
Thanks:
Bill Pardie



New File

Clark Propst
 

I've uploaded the last installment of the M&StL trains 60,61 in the files. I’m sure I’ve made mistakes, I will be expecting your corrections - off list please.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,


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You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: DECALS

Tim O'Connor
 

A short time ago there was some discussion about a line fo decals that was being sold on E-Bay. Does anyone
have a website or recal the location ofl the E-bay posting?
Thanks:
Bill Pardie


Re: tanks under wraps

SamClarke
 

Hello group,
 
My guess is the vehicles do actually appear to be rear views of M4 Shermans with "welded hulls" and "full fender side skirting". I don't believe they are front view M5/M8, nor are they M18s.  Look closer at the angles of the tarp crease along the sides which matches the lines of the rear view of the welded M4 hull. The two square fender tips match the back ends of the full side skirts (mostly seen on the British versions used in the desert).  If they are front views of M5s or M8s the turrets look like they'd be on the engine compartment, way too far back and the front slope look way too steep and to me the hulls look too long for any version of the Stuart chassis. If they are M18 Hellcats then the barrel of the 3" gun would protrude past the end of the body with the turret turned in either direction, let alone the lower more level silhouette of the M18 hull. 
 
There is a certain mystery about why the tarps especially over common Sherman tanks but there are tarps over all the visible equipment whatever it might be. Another thing about the tarps is they do not appear to be secured very well, which might be OK for all I know about heavy tarps back then.  Also, if these are new factory fresh M4 Shermans. or any other tank for that matter, they seem to lack the crates of add on parts usually attached to the top of the hulls.
 
The more we look at this kind of photo the more questions arise, the more guesses and opinions we hear which is very interesting and thought provoking. 

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] tanks under wraps

 

Andy,


No, these are not M4 chassis.  not backwards, not forwards.  Period.  They are too narrow and the rear of a sherman (or any other M3 or M4 derivative) does not look like that!


If people insist on believing that these are a specific vehicle please provide a link to a photo that supports you opinion. Here is the early M5A1

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/Stuart_m5a1_cfb_borden.jpg

Additional features supporting the M5 include the machine gun blister, and the horizontal creases may be welded on angles such as those seen in the photo above...


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



From: STMFC@... on behalf of andy.laurent@... [STMFC]
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] tanks under wraps
 


Gents,
These look like M4 Shermans...we are looking at the rear of the tanks, with the turrets turned rearwards for transit (appearing to be turned to the "7:30" position, at an angle - the tarp is slightly tented where the barrel would be).  If I'm seeing things on the barrel, it could be that these are M4 chassis headed for conversion to a M74 Recovery Vehicle.
Andy


Re: DECALS

Gary L Lake Dillensnyder
 

and an item specific search I have saved
 
sincerely
Gary


From: "WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:34:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] DECALS

 


A short time ago there was some discussion about a line fo decals that was being sold on E-Bay. Does anyone
have a website or recal the location ofl the E-bay posting?


Thanks:

Bill Pardie


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