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Re: brake wheel, brake staff

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Ed

The problem is less than 0.015" and they are somewhat vulnerable if they get a knock i usually use 0.015".
Paul Doggett UK




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 Try Precision Scale. Armand Premo

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Sounds like a song.


Does anyone sell HO scale horizontal brake wheels made of metal, either lost wax or etched?


What is the actual thickness of brake staffs? Tichy recommends .020 inch wire in their reefer kit which translates to about 1.74 inches which I think would be overkill. Remember a barbell bar is about one inch. 


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Re: brake wheel, brake staff

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 Try Precision Scale. Armand Premo

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Subject: [STMFC] brake wheel, brake staff

Sounds like a song.


Does anyone sell HO scale horizontal brake wheels made of metal, either lost wax or etched?


What is the actual thickness of brake staffs? Tichy recommends .020 inch wire in their reefer kit which translates to about 1.74 inches which I think would be overkill. Remember a barbell bar is about one inch. 


Ed Mines 

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brake wheel, brake staff

ed_mines
 

Sounds like a song.


Does anyone sell HO scale horizontal brake wheels made of metal, either lost wax or etched?


What is the actual thickness of brake staffs? Tichy recommends .020 inch wire in their reefer kit which translates to about 1.74 inches which I think would be overkill. Remember a barbell bar is about one inch. 


Ed Mines 


Re: Scale coat I problems.

ed_mines
 

What's happening is the resin in the paint is reacting with oxygen in the air,

forming a tough, durable coating.


Baking may not help much if the oven does not get fresh air.


Some of my employer's customers put on too much coating by dipping or pooling and the smell persisted for months (coating was not cured underneath),

even with baking.


Ed Mines





Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

Tim O'Connor
 


Since the underside of my loads are flat, I use a label maker
(Brother, makes heat-sensitive tape labels) and affix under the
load with the car number and my name or initials. But I don't
have that many to keep track of... for open cars I like to use
foam board as the foundation. It's cheap and easy to cut with
scissors or X-acto knife.

Tim O'



Hi Denny.  Good to hear from you.  I have always used live loads for every
commodity and tenders.  There are sound arguments for both sides and I made
my choice.  There are roughly 150 hoppers in coal service floating around
the railroad that are of all prototypes (STMFC, of course) and model
manufacturers.  Keeping track of removable loads for each would make me
crazier than I am.  This doesn't even consider storage for the same.  Now my
storage is coffee cans.  YMMV.

Bill Darnaby


Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

Michael Watnoski
 

Hi Denny,

I always make my own loads. I typically use styrofoam meat trays or carryout boxes, painted black or load color.

I cut the foam to wedge in the space tightly, about 1/8 " below the edge of the car, and use plastic teaspoon to dump the material in a realistic pile. I spray with a fine mist of rubbing alcohol then saturate with matte medium. Let it dry over night.

These can be removed by soaking overnight in ammonia.

HTH

Michael

On 3/23/2016 10:37 PM, Anspach Denny danspachmd@gmail.com [STMFC] wrote:
How have listers commonly gone about creating their own coal/gravel/crushed rock, etc. loads without filling the entire car with a fortune of model commodity materials, or creating a weight sink hard to actually be pulled down the rails? Removable is far to be preferred.

Personally, I have used shaped balsa blocks,wadded paper, styrofoam, and fabricated boxes of styrene, etc., all of which have their challenges. Although my question is aimed at a myriad of open cars, my particular challenge at the moment is a brass tender with deep coal space and rolled upper sides. This tender was designed to be used with, and will only be used to lead not only just one Steam Era freight car, but in fact, in serial fashion probably thousands.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864



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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Denny;

I have made hundreds of loads over many years, and the ones I like best for hoppers and gons are removable loads based on a "bed" of either resin, styrene sheet or foam, that can be lifted out quickly with either a magnet (hoppers) or hook (gons). I have done over a hundred hopper loads using a foam base with a magnet in it, that is carved to shape, spray painted (latex) black or grey or red, then covered with a thin layer of coal, coke, limestone, etc. They are quite economical and look good. I did them maybe twenty at a time, depending on my mood. I have similarly done over a hundred gon loads using my own or commercial loads as a base, to which I add, in the case of scrap, detail castings I also did in a mold, to enhance the loads and also to provide a "hook placement" so I can get them out of the gon easily. All of the loads have a name on the base that indicates what car it fits into, or in the case of gons, what length car. They are stored in trays, upside down, so I can read the car name or gon length, and drop it right in when I am loading cars.

I also have fishing tackle boxes from Wal Mart that I store my "live" load materials. I have bins for scrap, trash like empty drums and old parts, dunnage, "hot" and "cold" coil, pre-made slab loads, refractory loads, banded pipe, lumber, structural steel shapes, you name it, so I can create those "one of a kind" loads you want to see coming on and off the layout.

I also have "live" material like ore and minerals, that I put in hoppers and jennies that are bound for the steel mill complexes, generally where you have two piles, one over each truck. I store that material in jars.

I have many gons that have glued-in dunnage for loads, or other things, so I can run that back-haul with an "empty" car that has trash, debris, dunnage, cut banding, cinder to prevent hot coil damage, etc., you always saw in gons in my area.

I like the effects, so the time and effort was worth it.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [STMFC] Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

How have listers commonly gone about creating their own coal/gravel/crushed
rock, etc. loads without filling the entire car with a fortune of model
commodity materials, or creating a weight sink hard to actually be pulled
down the rails? Removable is far to be preferred.

Personally, I have used shaped balsa blocks,wadded paper, styrofoam, and
fabricated boxes of styrene, etc., all of which have their challenges.
Although my question is aimed at a myriad of open cars, my particular
challenge at the moment is a brass tender with deep coal space and rolled
upper sides. This tender was designed to be used with, and will only be used
to lead not only just one Steam Era freight car, but in fact, in serial
fashion probably thousands.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864

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Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

william darnaby
 

Hi Denny. Good to hear from you. I have always used live loads for every
commodity and tenders. There are sound arguments for both sides and I made
my choice. There are roughly 150 hoppers in coal service floating around
the railroad that are of all prototypes (STMFC, of course) and model
manufacturers. Keeping track of removable loads for each would make me
crazier than I am. This doesn't even consider storage for the same. Now my
storage is coffee cans. YMMV.

Bill Darnaby

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To: Era Freight Car List Steam <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

How have listers commonly gone about creating their own coal/gravel/crushed
rock, etc. loads without filling the entire car with a fortune of model
commodity materials, or creating a weight sink hard to actually be pulled
down the rails? Removable is far to be preferred.

Personally, I have used shaped balsa blocks,wadded paper, styrofoam, and
fabricated boxes of styrene, etc., all of which have their challenges.
Although my question is aimed at a myriad of open cars, my particular
challenge at the moment is a brass tender with deep coal space and rolled
upper sides. This tender was designed to be used with, and will only be used
to lead not only just one Steam Era freight car, but in fact, in serial
fashion probably thousands.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864



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Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

JoelDee
 

Hello,
With pulling many cars, you may need extra weight to hold the front of the tender down.
Fill the coal space with pennies to the ounces needed and top off with the base materials
used previously then the a topping of the preferred commodity. I place shrink wrap in the
space and glue the pennies together to create the height needed, but for gondolas, pillars
of glued pennies work as corner supports and to bring them up to weight.  Like most of us,
it will be a good reason to use all the pennies that seem to be in containers everywhere in
the home.
Joel Dethlefs


Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

Jim Betz
 

Denny,

1) It's a tender - so it doesn't have to be removable ...
so follow one of the procedures below.

2) Fill the void in an open car such as a coal hopper
with a layer of foam core board - cut with beveled
edges. Glue in place using white glue or KK. Add
coal/ore/whatever on top of the foam core.
Some guys put some steel in the load and 'pick'
the load out with a strong magnet. I usually just
glue it in place ... and swap empty cars for loaded
during ops.

3) I've also built a styrene "shelf" a couple of times.
One time I built 'feet' under it the other time I
glued the load in over the styrene sheet. Both
worked just fine.
In a tender using a false floor has the advantage
that other stuff can be below it.

4) I often load the entire space with whatever
material required ... for instance a coal tender
that has its own false bottom about 1/4th inch
below the 'top' ... so I used "model coal" for the
entire thing.

5) There are -lots- of options for stuff to fill the
space that are inexpensive ... only the top layer
needs to be "the expensive stuff that looks right" ...
Rice, cereal, sawdust, kit sprues, Chili's sandwich
skewers, plastic 'silverware' broken into small
pieces, bottom layer of nuts/bolts (for weight) and
the rest something cheap, folded up paper towels,
cardboard from a USPS priority mail box, styrene
pellets, R/C "micro balls" (think small ball bearings
of styrofoam), sand (from the beach or a river bed),
dirt from the back yard, last night's left over Thai
Green Curry Chicken, eggplant (what -else- would
you use it for ... certainly NOT to eat ... *G*, the
list is endless ...

6) If you are clever/careful you can probably even
fill the bottom, glue in a load, and remove most
of the filler material from below.
- Jim B.

P.S. Or just do what the prototype did on a large majority
of their steam engines in the era that most of us on
this list model ===> convert it to oil ...


Re: Milwaulkee 50'rib side car

al_brown03
 

I assume you're building kit 41.5, for the 13500 series? Wider, RP CYC 13 pp 1-75, has several pictures of this series. Although he doesn't state what the trucks are, they look to me like Tahoe #209, so that's what I used.

Hth,

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

William Sharpe <wsharpe1@...>
 

Denny,

Lately I have rethought my tender loads when moving SEFC.
Unless you can always proclaim that the locomotive has just left a servicing
facility as I cannot, then the tender coal load will be somewhat depleted.
In the past I always brimmed my tender loads. Of late I model with less is
better. You can then weather inside the tender coal hopper and your build
up job need not be as extensive. In viewing many steam hauled freight car
consists I see that the tender shows less tender coal than most modeler
choose to model.

Bill

William H. Sharpe

Hamilton, Ontario

Canada







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Subject: [STMFC] Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.





How have listers commonly gone about creating their own coal/gravel/crushed
rock, etc. loads without filling the entire car with a fortune of model
commodity materials, or creating a weight sink hard to actually be pulled
down the rails? Removable is far to be preferred.

Personally, I have used shaped balsa blocks,wadded paper, styrofoam, and
fabricated boxes of styrene, etc., all of which have their challenges.
Although my question is aimed at a myriad of open cars, my particular
challenge at the moment is a brass tender with deep coal space and rolled
upper sides. This tender was designed to be used with, and will only be used
to lead not only just one Steam Era freight car, but in fact, in serial
fashion probably thousands.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

Douglas Harding
 

Denny as you are asking about a tender my thought is to go with a partial coal pile, not a full tender. Then you can put the coal below the rolled edge. Create a support base, my preference is a piece of extruded styrene foam. Shape it as you desire, then paint it flat black. For a partial tender load, be sure to shape it to indicate the coal has been scooped out or fallen into the auger. You could make this in two parts for easy removal, glue model coal on top. Then once installed in the tender, sprinkle enough loose coal to cover the seam.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Milwaulkee 50'rib side car

rob.mclear3@...
 

Hi to all I have one of the Sunshine kits for this car but am unsure as to what type of truck should be fitted under it.  Can anyone assist it is in HO.  Thanks

Rob McLear
Aussie.



Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

Charles Peck
 

Denny, I have commonly used carved foam blocks to fill hoppers and such.
I have faced the problem of a tender with rolled in top.  What I am leaning
towards doing but have not actually tried is this.
Cut and shape a rather stiff synthetic sponge to fill the bottom area of the
coal space. Dampen the sponge into softness and insert.  After it dries,
add live load on top.  To remove, dump the layer of live load and add
water a few ccs at a time until the sponge softens enough to remove.
Just a theory so far but want to try it when I get the electronics installed
inside.
Chuck Peck in FL  

On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Anspach Denny danspachmd@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

How have listers commonly gone about creating their own coal/gravel/crushed rock, etc. loads without filling the entire car with a fortune of model commodity materials, or creating a weight sink hard to actually be pulled down the rails? Removable is far to be preferred.

Personally, I have used shaped balsa blocks,wadded paper, styrofoam, and fabricated boxes of styrene, etc., all of which have their challenges. Although my question is aimed at a myriad of open cars, my particular challenge at the moment is a brass tender with deep coal space and rolled upper sides. This tender was designed to be used with, and will only be used to lead not only just one Steam Era freight car, but in fact, in serial fashion probably thousands.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864



Re: Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

Tony Thompson
 

Denny Anspach wrote:

 

How have listers commonly gone about creating their own coal/gravel/crushed rock, etc. loads without filling the entire car with a fortune of model commodity materials, or creating a weight sink hard to actually be pulled down the rails? Removable is far to be preferred.

Personally, I have used shaped balsa blocks,wadded paper, styrofoam, and fabricated boxes of styrene, etc., all of which have their challenges. Although my question is aimed at a myriad of open cars, my particular challenge at the moment is a brass tender with deep coal space and rolled upper sides. This tender was designed to be used with, and will only be used to lead not only just one Steam Era freight car, but in fact, in serial fashion probably thousands.


       In deeper spaces, I just add a cross-piece below the modeled surface, to serve as a spacer and raise the load to the desired level. Some cars with slope sheets don't require this, as the sheet material on which the load (coal or whatever) sits can rest on the slope sheet.
        I have shown examples of a number of my bulk load designs in a prior blog post. If you would like to see them, here is a link:


The cross-piece spacers are near the bottom, so scroll down to them.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Creation of removable false-bottomed coal/gravel loads.

Anspach Denny <danspachmd@...>
 

How have listers commonly gone about creating their own coal/gravel/crushed rock, etc. loads without filling the entire car with a fortune of model commodity materials, or creating a weight sink hard to actually be pulled down the rails? Removable is far to be preferred.

Personally, I have used shaped balsa blocks,wadded paper, styrofoam, and fabricated boxes of styrene, etc., all of which have their challenges. Although my question is aimed at a myriad of open cars, my particular challenge at the moment is a brass tender with deep coal space and rolled upper sides. This tender was designed to be used with, and will only be used to lead not only just one Steam Era freight car, but in fact, in serial fashion probably thousands.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


ADMIN: Termination of "Re: Re: Reefer Madness Group Closed (And Not Coming Back)"

Mikebrock
 


Tim O'Connor writes:

"Your choice, of course, Tony, but many people no longer use a PC at all
and do all their rail-sharing via social media on their tablets and phones.
Many fabulous modelers out there you'll never meet via email... Just sayin'.
Currently, more than 50% of all human beings with internet access have FB
accounts -- 8 times as many people have FB accounts as Yahoo accounts..."
 
Note the STMFC rule:
 
"ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT
CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all
admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by myself or
my representatives."
 
Discussions about FB or any other form of "social media" is out of scope on the STMFC.
 
The thread "Re: [STMFC] Re: Reefer Madness Group Closed (And Not Coming Back)" is terminated.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner




Re: Scale coat I problems.

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 3/23/2016 8:16 AM, ed_mines@... [STMFC] wrote:
Scalecoat is a different type of coating, recognizable by the smell which eventually goes away.

    After a very long time even with baking!

I think I timed it once, a month?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Reefer Madness Group Closed (And Not Coming Back)

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Tim, I agree with Tony. I signed up for Facebook at the invitation of my
sister, and I deleted the account 24 hours later after being inundated with
unwanted messages. I had friends of friends of friends of friends trying to
sign me up, and I didn't know any of them. It's not only the privacy thing
that I object to, but the pervasive tracking and data collection that goes
along with Facebook. I don't Facebook, tweet, or text, and my life is under
control and productive as a result.



Nelson Moyer



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Your choice, of course, Tony, but many people no longer use a PC at all
and do all their rail-sharing via social media on their tablets and phones.
Many fabulous modelers out there you'll never meet via email... Just sayin'.
Currently, more than 50% of all human beings with internet access have FB
accounts -- 8 times as many people have FB accounts as Yahoo accounts. If
you're worried about privacy there are many strong controls available for
the savvy user and many of the rail groups are not publicly visible.

Tim O'Connor




He might consider a Facebook group instead.


That would, of course, exclude the many people who want nothing to do with
Facebook.

Tony Thompson

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