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Re: Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

Staffan Ehnbom
 

Yes, the GN had more than 20000 of these 40 ton box cars makeing up almost half the revenue freight car fleet in the 1920s. Most of them received steel underframes in the late twenties and cast steel trucks. By the early forties a number of them were still on archbar trucks and were kept in online service for storage of grain doors or MoW equipment and possibly for on line only grain service.There is still one of these cars, GN16105, on arch bar trucks and with workable KC brake gear and horisontal brake wheel at the Lake Whatcom museum in Washington state and in good shape. In my mind it is the most representative GN freight car available for possible restoration.

Staffan Ehnbom

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:56 AM, Ted Schnepf railsunl@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Hello,

As the car appears to be a terminal grain elevator, probably in the Twin Cities or Duluth, and the GN served a major grain hauling area, could the "archbar" marking, be that the wood car is only used in the grain rush and on home rails, not in free roaming, interchange service.

Most granger roads had excess older boxcars used only a few months of the year for grain service.  Not maintained to the normal interchange standards.

Ted

At 09:11 PM 3/27/2016, you wrote:


Image is from 9/1939, reweigh date is 5/1938. Here's the direct path to the source:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8a04771/?co=fsa


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Re: Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

Jack Mullen
 

IIRC, by Sept 1939 when the photo was taken, the archbar ban had already been extended a few times and would finally go into effect at the end of the year.  So the stenciling, which appears to have been done concurrently with the last reweigh, is good preparation - It calls attention to a condition that will, in the future, make the car unsuitable for interchange, but doesn't prematurely say that the car can't be loaded for interchange. I think Ted is right and these cars will likely be retained for seasonal on-line grain traffic.

Jack Mullen


Re: A.E. Staley decals

Allen Ferguson
 

Honest officer I didn't do it. 
Try Ted.

Allen Ferguson


Re: Glue for P2K E unit pilot

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Dave,

Mike Rose sells a kind of epoxy ("Cypoxy") that is not cheap but apparently creates a strong molecular bond between most materials, and seems particularly good on most plastics, even engineering plastics.  You can find it on Mike's web site for Mike Rose Hobbies at http://www.mrhobby.com/ .

Todd Sullivan
Liverpool, NY

 


Re: Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

As the car appears to be a terminal grain elevator, probably in the Twin Cities or Duluth, and the GN served a major grain hauling area, could the "archbar" marking, be that the wood car is only used in the grain rush and on home rails, not in free roaming, interchange service.

Most granger roads had excess older boxcars used only a few months of the year for grain service.  Not maintained to the normal interchange standards.

Ted

At 09:11 PM 3/27/2016, you wrote:


Image is from 9/1939, reweigh date is 5/1938. Here's the direct path to the source:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8a04771/?co=fsa


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Re: Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

Ray Breyer
 

Image is from 9/1939, reweigh date is 5/1938. Here's the direct path to the source:


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL




From: "rwitt_2000@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

Also note they all have a chalk marking for the number "3".

The re-weigh date on the car in the foreground is 5-30, which would imply the caption date of 1939 is in error as it would be 9 years since the last re-weighing.

Bob Witt



Re: Gilbert-Nelson data from the Jan 45 ORER

Mat Thompson
 

John,

 

You have far, far more diligence than I but the data is interesting. I didn’t find a code anywhere for all the cars types – did I miss it?

 

I don’t do anything as thoughtful and elaborate as you but do pay attention to the types of cars and the road names on my layout because I believe the “right look” helps to tell the story. Here are my numbers:

 

OCRR

76

25%

Pacific Northwest

68

23%

54%

West (UP, SP, ATSF,MIL, PFE

49

16%

70%

East

20

7%

77

Reefers

40

13%

91

Tank Cars

48

16%

100

301

100%

Auto Box

19

6%

Box

67

22%

Stock

20

7%

Chip Car

6

2%

Exp Reefer

6

2%

Flat

24

8%

Gon

6

2%

Hopper

30

10%

Log

26

9%

Milk Reefer

3

1%

Reefer

53

18%

Tanker

41

14%

301

100%

 

I just sold about 30 heavy bunker type log cars – all were OCRs so there subtraction had a big impact on both my road name numbers and car type numbers.

 

Mat

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Subject: Gilbert-Nelson data from the Jan 45 ORER

 

I've just completed tabulating the freight car fleet as documented in the Jan 45 Official Railway Equipment Register and composed a short blog post about it here:

 

 

Enjoy,

 

John Barry

 

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Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

 

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Re: Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

rwitt_2000
 

Also note they all have a chalk marking for the number "3".

The re-weigh date on the car in the foreground is 5-30, which would imply the caption date of 1939 is in error as it would be 9 years since the last re-weighing.

Bob Witt


Glue for P2K E unit pilot

David North
 

I realise this is a bit off topic for the STMFC but given all the input recently on glues, I’m hoping for some help.

I broke the pilot on my P2K E7 and have no idea what will glue it back together.

I assumed it was moulded in ABS, but I tried Plastruct and Acetone with no success.

I don’t want to use ACC as it can leave a white frosting, plus I’d prefer something that welds the plastic together.

Does anyone have any ideas, please?

Cheers

Dave North


Re: new Accurail 36 ft ds box car

devansprr
 

Ray,

And another second - what a great document and reference source for the WWII modeler, who needs a lot of 36 footers (they outnumbered 50 foot box and auto cars during WWII!)

Thanks for sharing!

Dave Evans


Re: DT&I gon stencil

rwitt_2000
 

This was the S-N-T project for 2010. They usually do the decals so hopefully they had the correct wording.

Bob Witt


Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

gary laakso
 

The wood used on the side of the car appears to be wide pieces with the “v” cut in the center.  The brake wheel shadow indicates a 5 spoke design.  Its industry track with light rail and no tie plates.  Could the stencil be to remind GN shop forces that the trucks needed to be changed out the next time that they were shopped or that with the new boxcars coming online, these were the scrap/MofW candidates? 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 7:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar
 
 

I’m guessing the stencil identifying this boxcar as having arch bar trucks has something to do with such trucks being phased out or requiring more frequent inspection, or cars with such trucks being in restricted service.

 

http://robertpiers.tumblr.com/image/141784833708

 

Yes? No?

 

The caption reads, “Great Northern Railway boxcars at a grain elevator, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 1939.”


Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

Bob McCoy <NPMonad@...>
 


The car in the back appears to have "Ar" part of the stencil. 

Bob McCoy
OlyWA


At 04:35 PM 3/27/2016, you wrote:


Interesting. Since all three cars seem to follow the same design, I wonder if they all have the Arch Bar stencil.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Mar 27, 2016, at 7:27 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I’m guessing the stencil identifying this boxcar as having arch bar trucks has something to do with such trucks being phased out or requiring more frequent inspection, or cars with such trucks being in restricted service.

 

http://robertpiers.tumblr.com/image/141784833708

 

Yes? No?

 

The caption reads, “Great Northern Railway boxcars at a grain elevator, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 1939.�


Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



ADMIN:Re: Re: Barge Cement Thread Termination

Mikebrock
 


Guys,
 
Given that the various glues, paints, cements, and other chemicals that we often use in constructing models of steam era frt cars have dangerous side effects if used without regard [ maybe even WITH regard ] to a product's warnings, the STMFC suggests strongly that these warnings be considered seriously and should be carefully scrutinzed prior to use of such a product.
 
At the same time the STMFC wishes to warn its members to be aware that other products used in the construction of models of steam era frt cars can be dangerous as well. Thus, consuming parts of cars including wheels, weights, car sides and all other parts is not recommended. 
 
With this message, the thread concerning the uses of glues, cements, etc., is now terminated. If there are additional concerns that have not been addressed by STMFC threads, please send them to me.
 
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Re: Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

Interesting. Since all three cars seem to follow the same design, I wonder if they all have the Arch Bar stencil. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Mar 27, 2016, at 7:27 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

I’m guessing the stencil identifying this boxcar as having arch bar trucks has something to do with such trucks being phased out or requiring more frequent inspection, or cars with such trucks being in restricted service.

 

http://robertpiers.tumblr.com/image/141784833708

 

Yes? No?

 

The caption reads, “Great Northern Railway boxcars at a grain elevator, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 1939.”


Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: new Accurail 36 ft ds box car

Tim O'Connor
 


Hear hear! An excellent document, and freely shared! Thank you, Ray.

Tim O'Connor




Ray Breyer wrote:

I'm examining the base prototype and the four models about to be released by Accurail on Eric Hansmann's blog:
http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/02/25/prototype-data-files-pt-1/
I'm looking at each of the four kits in turn; the first installment is up now, the second will be ready in a week or two, and the others should follow along through the spring.

    Thank you, Ray, for the superb summary of the prototypes for the first batch of Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed box cars (the Accurail 1300 series), with steel roof and ends and fishbelly underframe. Just excellent information. Anyone with the remotest interest in these cars should read Ray's summary.

Tony Thompson 


Arch Bar Stencil On Boxcar

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I’m guessing the stencil identifying this boxcar as having arch bar trucks has something to do with such trucks being phased out or requiring more frequent inspection, or cars with such trucks being in restricted service.

 

http://robertpiers.tumblr.com/image/141784833708

 

Yes? No?

 

The caption reads, “Great Northern Railway boxcars at a grain elevator, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 1939.”


Thanks.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: new Accurail 36 ft ds box car

Tony Thompson
 

Ray Breyer wrote:

 
I'm examining the base prototype and the four models about to be released by Accurail on Eric Hansmann's blog:
I'm looking at each of the four kits in turn; the first installment is up now, the second will be ready in a week or two, and the others should follow along through the spring.

    Thank you, Ray, for the superb summary of the prototypes for the first batch of Accurail 36-foot double-sheathed box cars (the Accurail 1300 series), with steel roof and ends and fishbelly underframe. Just excellent information. Anyone with the remotest interest in these cars should read Ray's summary.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Barge Cement

Tony Thompson
 

Pierre Oliver wrote:

 

The results aren't but the label is


   Fair point. California's Proposition 65, as it originally was known, requires labeling so many things, so prominently, that many have come to believe the warnings have become counter-productive. A little like the boy who cried "wolf."
    Notice I don't say the notices are incorrect, only that the ubiquitous mandated warnings may not be the best way to convey the message.

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Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: new Accurail 36 ft ds box car

Ray Breyer
 

I'm examining the base prototype and the four models about to be released by Accurail on Eric Hansmann's blog:
I'm looking at each of the four kits in turn; the first installment is up now, the second will be ready in a week or two, and the others should follow along through the spring.


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

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