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Southern Utah Cabooses, 1913

Don Strack
 

Where can I look to find the builder of three wooden cabooses built for Southern Utah Railroad in June 1913? Numbered as Utah Railway 51, 52, and 53 after all the Southern Utah equipment was transferred to Utah Ry. in 1917. Utah 53 still exists and is displayed on private property near the Heber Valley Railroad tourist operation in Heber, Utah.


http://utahrails.net/utah-ry/utah-ry-cabooses.php


It appears to be very similar to the cabooses built for Seaboard Air Line, which are now available as HO scale models from East Coast Railroads.


Southern Utah is also notable for its McKeen car, which was the largest and most powerful ever built. The body sat at Utah Railway's shop in Martin until it was sold to an employee in 1991. It has been moved to Minden, Nevada to be restored.


Don Strack



Re: Timeline: Help Wanted

Dave Parker
 

Bob:

I am sure you are going to receive a lot of comments about the rabbit-hole that you have decided to go down here.  I have looked into several of the key dates as they apply to the 1920s and 30s, but am only going to comment on the one for which I think I have adequately tracked down the original references.

Based on the annual proceedings of the ARA, Division 5 (Mechanical), my take is that the now-familiar CAPY, LD LMT, and LT WT lettering was first proposed in June 1924, modified in June 1925, and modified/finalized in June 1926.  ANICT, the effective date was March 1, 1927.

This likely explains why different sources sometimes give slightly different years for what ultimately became the "1927 ARA standard".

With best regards,

Dave Parker
Riverside, CA





Re: Timeline: Help Wanted

Tim O'Connor
 


  >> I am constructing a timeline of freight car features
     >> Bob Chaparro

   -- 1944 Wood running boards banned on new cars, except tank cars (1948)

Bob

According to the information I've gathered over the years -- from 1944 through 1947 running
boards "other than wood" were required to have open space so that water, snow and ice were
less of a hazard. But the use of steel was not mandatory.

It was not until 1948 that running boards were required to be made of steel.

The 1944 rule made the old Alan Wood solid running boards illegal for new freight car construction.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Timeline: Help Wanted

Alexander Schneider Jr
 


The date when K brakes were outlawed from interchange (1945?) is probably relevant. Also didn't Andrews trucks have a "sunset" date -- relevant because a lot of USRA cars were built with them. Fox and Allied Full Cushion as well, but they were not as common.

I think you need two, maybe three parallel time lines. Didn't older features last longer in Canada and Mexico?

I presume you are considering only changes after the Safety Appliance Act of 1893, taking effect in 1900. This act mandated knuckle couplers, air brakes, and grab irons on cars in interstate commerce. The Wikipedia article on Janney Couplers includes a photo of a knuckle coupler with a slot in the coupler knuckle for the link and a vertical hole for the pin, presumably a throwback to the transitional period.

Alex Schneider



From: "thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Timeline: Help Wanted



I am constructing a timeline of freight car features that would indicate the timeframe for a freight car photograph or model. I have consulted several resources and some freight car “experts” local to me, however, I still have information that in some cases conflicts.
 
So I am seeking input from group members to make this list more accurate.
 
Below is the initial part of the timeline. Any help will be appreciated as will additions to the timeline.
 
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
++++
1909 - Master Car Builders establish standard to locate reporting marks at left end of car side
1912 - Periodic reweigh requirement introduced
1921 - First required tank car placards (four types) appear
1925 - Nominal capacity & load limit stencils required.
1930 - First “experimental steel running boards placed in service
1933 or 1937? - Type AB brakes required on all newly-built cars.
1935 - Cars with all-wood underframes not required to be accepted in interchange
1937 (to 1949) - Most cars to be reweighed every 30 months
1938 - Billboard boxcars and reefers banned
1941 Arch bar trucks not required to be accepted in interchange
1944 Wood running boards banned on new cars, except tank cars (1948).
1949 Mechanical refrigerators placed in service by Fruit Growers Express. 
1949 (to 1962) - Reweighing of box, stock and reefers required after first 30 months, every 48 months thereafter





This Probably Didn’t Seem Funny At The Time

thecitrusbelt@...
 

This photo is from the Sept. 9, 1946 edition of the Spokane Spokesman-Review.

 

Caption: “Squeeze Play. This is what happened when two freight cars has an "argument" this morning near the Northern Pacific station. Railroad officials said a crew had "kicked" one car up one track and that it backed down and cornered a car on another track near the switch. A pair of trucks was derailed. No one was injured and damage was negligible.”

 

http://media.spokesman.com/photos/2015/04/10/Trainaccident.JPG

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Timeline: Help Wanted

thecitrusbelt@...
 

I am constructing a timeline of freight car features that would indicate the timeframe for a freight car photograph or model. I have consulted several resources and some freight car “experts” local to me, however, I still have information that in some cases conflicts.

 

So I am seeking input from group members to make this list more accurate.

 

Below is the initial part of the timeline. Any help will be appreciated as will additions to the timeline.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

++++

1909 - Master Car Builders establish standard to locate reporting marks at left end of car side

1912 - Periodic reweigh requirement introduced

1921 - First required tank car placards (four types) appear

1925 - Nominal capacity & load limit stencils required.

1930 - First “experimental steel running boards placed in service

1933 or 1937? - Type AB brakes required on all newly-built cars.

1935 - Cars with all-wood underframes not required to be accepted in interchange

1937 (to 1949) - Most cars to be reweighed every 30 months

1938 - Billboard boxcars and reefers banned

1941 Arch bar trucks not required to be accepted in interchange

1944 Wood running boards banned on new cars, except tank cars (1948).

1949 Mechanical refrigerators placed in service by Fruit Growers Express. 

1949 (to 1962) - Reweighing of box, stock and reefers required after first 30 months, every 48 months thereafter


Re: Many WW2-mid 1950s ATSF & SP color scans-free

Tim O'Connor
 


For ANY seller, the template for their listings is

      .../sch/m.html?_ssn=

So for Andy's current listings, use

       http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ssn= mid_century

Just "bookmark" the template URL, and then type in the seller identifier.

Tim



  Bill I did an advance search for Andy�s seller ID, then category of slides.
  That brought up Andy�s listings.
  Doug Harding


Re: Many WW2-mid 1950s ATSF & SP color scans-free

Douglas Harding
 

Bill I did an advance search for Andy’s seller ID, then category of slides. That brought up Andy’s listings.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Many WW2-mid 1950s ATSF & SP color scans-free

Bill Welch
 

Andy, I am having trouble finding your photos. Could you please give us a link to one and from there people can find the rest? Thank you!

Bill Welch


Re: May Special Deals

rwitt_2000
 

Tom,

I can't find my copy of the lettering diagram right now, but I believe the B&O switched to blue for express box cars around 1947. Definitely by 1950 when there were only 15 class C-16 wagon-top express box cars remaining on the roster. These lasted until 1959 and were painted blue to match the other B&O express and baggage cars.

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Bob Witt


train show

Penny Simunic
 

I won't put all details in, but the Monon Railroad historical Society is putting on a train show in Hammond In. On Oct 2nd. Is there a place we can post these events? I have tables available and of course the event  itself. If this post was a waste of time, or violates prodigal, I am sorry. Ron Simunic at simunic22@...


Re: B&O WWII lettering

Edward
 

To keep in mind, the Kuhler B&O Capitol Dome herald when used before WW Il had an open ampersand.
The more familiar closed ampersand came later. 

Not all freight cars had the herald as well, since earlier lettering schemes of the 1920sand 30s had a long life.
Also the color used on boxcars changed from  B&O freight car brown to the brighter oxide red after WW II.

Ed Bommer


Re: actual truss rod diameter

ed_mines
 

Thanks to all who answered this question.


Ed Mines


Many WW2-mid 1950s ATSF & SP color scans-free

Andy Carlson
 

As a person who drags and drops many of the cool images from Ebay I must live with the watermark markings. I have posted 44 slides on Ebay and I have not watermarked any of them. If anyone wants some cool scans of California war time Cajon ATSF steam scans, be my guest. Plus SP and ATSF Tehachapi scans and other mostly Southern California areas. Most of the images are scanned at about 180-220 mpb. My Ebay seller's name is (The _ is an underscore). Grab while they are available and free!
-Andy Carlson


Re: Spring 2016 issue of The Keystone Modeler

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Bruce,



Thank you and the PRRT&HS for unselfishly publishing The Keystone Modeler online. I have become a devoted reader, even though I model another railroad, but then, as someone has opined, aren’t we all PRR modelers (and NYC modelers) by default. The sheer number of cars makes it unavoidable. I may even be induced to join the PRRT&H.



Your epublishing policy is in stark contrast to some other historical societies, who jealously guard their material in an effort to squeeze out a few more dollars from the membership, meanwhile their membership is in decline. It would seem to me that openly sharing material is the best advertising policy to promote your railroad and increase your membership, even in a climate where historical society membership is in decline due to the demographic. Is the PRRT&H growing and attracting younger members? If so, do you attribute some of the increase to free accessibility of the outstanding PRR modeling displayed in The Keystone Modeler?



Nelson Moyer



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 10:25 PM
To: PRR-Modeling@yahoogroups.com; STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Spring 2016 issue of The Keystone Modeler





Folks,



I'm pleased to tell you that the Spring 2016 issue of the PRRT&HS on-line eZine The Keystone Modeler is now available on-line. The PDF can be downloaded from the TKM web page at:

http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm​



Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Spring 2016 issue of The Keystone Modeler

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,


I'm pleased to tell you that the Spring 2016 issue of the PRRT&HS on-line eZine The Keystone Modeler is now available on-line.  The PDF can be downloaded from the TKM web page at:

http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


Re: B&O WWII lettering

Steve SANDIFER
 

John, see if this helps:

 

http://borhs.org/Logos/bo_font_logo.html

 

 

__________________________________________________

J. Stephen Sandifer

Minister Emeritus, Southwest Central Church of Christ

Webmaster, Santa Fe Railway Historical and Modeling Society

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 5:37 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] B&O WWII lettering

 

 

Ted has pointed out a nice price for a very nice RTR car that fits in with my WWII fleet.  Which paint scheme for this Santa Fe guy to buy though.  I know that the 13 great states versions are post war and the as delivered scheme had no herald.  But I have one of the Fox Valley Early Kuhler freight versions and it has the herald on the left above the car number.  The ExactRail photos show that on the right, with Baltimore & Ohio spelled out on the left, above the car number.  When did B&O reverse the placement of the Kuhler herald?

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

 

707-490-9696 

 

PO Box 44736 

Washington, DC 20026-4736

 


From: "Speedwitch Media speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 3:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: May Special Deals

 

 

I have no affiliation with Exactrail, but this strikes me as a good price on a nicely rendered version of the M-53.

 

Cheers

Ted Culotta


Begin forwarded message:

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Date: May 1, 2016 at 1:01:21 PM EDT
To: speedwitchmedia@...
Subject: May Special Deals
Reply-To: info@...

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Available in 6 paint schemes!

 

 

 

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Re: B&O WWII lettering

Bruce Smith
 

​Late 1940, According to Chris Barken's PDF file, which I think might be in the files section... very hand document!


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: STMFC@... on behalf of John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]
Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 5:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] B&O WWII lettering
 


Ted has pointed out a nice price for a very nice RTR car that fits in with my WWII fleet.  Which paint scheme for this Santa Fe guy to buy though.  I know that the 13 great states versions are post war and the as delivered scheme had no herald.  But I have one of the Fox Valley Early Kuhler freight versions and it has the herald on the left above the car number.  The ExactRail photos show that on the right, with Baltimore & Ohio spelled out on the left, above the car number.  When did B&O reverse the placement of the Kuhler herald?
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Speedwitch Media speedwitchmedia@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 3:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: May Special Deals

 
I have no affiliation with Exactrail, but this strikes me as a good price on a nicely rendered version of the M-53.

Cheers
Ted Culotta


Begin forwarded message:

From: "ExactRail" <info@...>
Date: May 1, 2016 at 1:01:21 PM EDT
To: speedwitchmedia@...
Subject: May Special Deals
Reply-To: info@...

Check out the May specials from ExactRail
Check out the May specials from ExactRail
exactrail.com may specials
exactrail.com ho scale b and o wagontop boxcar
B&O M-53 WAGONTOP BOXCAR
HO SCALE
Your Price: $28.95  MSRP: $40.95 
Available in 6 paint schemes!
BUY NOW
exactrail.com ho scale evans usre 5277 boxcar
EVANS-USRE 5277 BOXCAR
HO & N SCALE
HO Scale Price: $22.95  MSRP: $31.95 
Available in 4 paint schemes!
BUY NOW
N Scale Price: $15.95  MSRP: $26.95 
Available in 4 paint schemes!
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Re: actual truss rod diameter

Charles Peck
 

Upsetting is a form of hot forging, like putting the head on a bolt.  
Many flexible staybolts were headed by an upset process.
Chuck Peck in FL

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Mike Bauers mwbauers55@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

Doesn't the upsetting of the ends create incomplete and flawed threading???

That would have resulted in failing truss rods.

Mike Bauers


> On May 1, 2016, at 2:04 PM, "destorzek@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
>
> often called out as "1-1/4" with 1-1/2" ends." Upsetting the ends to a larger diameter allowed them to be threaded without the minor diameter of the threads becoming smaller than the rest of the rod.



Re: actual truss rod diameter

earlyrail
 

According to the plans published in the Canda 40ft flat with 8 truss rods, they varied.
4 were 1 1/8"
2 were 7/8"
2 were 3/4"
Plans are in White's freight car book and other locations.
(old MR Aug 57 plans are extremely poor)

Howard Garner

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