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Re: Georgia USRA silver and black box car

Ed Hawkins
 


On May 11, 2016, at 1:14 PM, smithbf@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Oops  - I might back off the 1939 photo.. can't find it right now.  But the 1941 movie, as noted here previously, is clear.


Bruce,
No need to back off the 1939 photo as a photo of GA 19623 shows a steel-sheathed rebuilt U.S.R.A. box car painted aluminum & black with “H’VILLE 2-38” stencils that indicate the car was reweighed at Huntsville, Alabama, at that time. The photo, available from Arnold Menke, is dated “ca. 1940”. Be advised that the photo is soft on focus, but the 2-38 reweigh date is clear. 

This photo wasn’t included in the RP CYC Volume 17 article on U.S.R.A. SS box cars and their steel rebuilds because we obtained the photo from Mr. Menke a while after the book was published.

A note on the Georgia Railroad diagram dated May 1952 for series GA 19500-19799 specifies the cars were "rebuilt as all steel by GA. R.R. during the period 1933 to 1941.” 

Getting back to Jared Harper’s question, it appears that at least some of the GA 19500-19799 series cars would be appropriate for May 1943. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Georgia USRA silver and black box car

Bruce Smith
 

Oops  - I might back off the 1939 photo.. can't find it right now.  But the 1941 movie, as noted here previously, is clear.

regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


Re: Georgia USRA silver and black box car

Bruce Smith
 

Jared,


The cars were painted in that scheme in the late 1930s (verified by a 1939 photo and 1941 movie) and many wore it into the 1950s.  Of course, there are issues with the car, such as the roof (should be welded or radial) and the lack of rivets on the sides of the ends.


Regards

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL



From: STMFC@... on behalf of Jared Harper harperandbrown@... [STMFC]
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2016 10:27 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Georgia USRA silver and black box car
 


From the recent discussion I am trying to determine if my Intermountain/Tichy USRA box car #19524 in the silver with black ends and roof paint scheme fits my May 1943 modeling era.  Comments will be appreciated.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA



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Re: Chuck Yungkurth

Charlie Vlk
 

I corresponded with Chuck via email and also found him to be very positive and helpful.  

He made a huge contribution to our Hobby through his articles and drawings and assistance to manufacturers.

Rest in peace, Chuck.

Charlie Vlk


Re: Chuck Yungkurth

genegreen1942@...
 

I spent a lot of time with Chuck learning how he did drawings in the pre-CAD days.  Amazing what he could do and how easily he could do it.  Later met with him a couple of time in Golden at the Museum.  Always a wonderful gentleman and always generous and helpful.  I shall miss him.
Gene Green


Re: Georgia USRA silver and black box car

al_brown03
 

FWIW, the discussion led me to the conclusion that I don't really know. :-(

 

AL B.


Georgia USRA silver and black box car

Jared Harper
 

From the recent discussion I am trying to determine if my Intermountain/Tichy USRA box car #19524 in the silver with black ends and roof paint scheme fits my May 1943 modeling era.  Comments will be appreciated.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Chuck Yungkurth

David North
 

I never met Chuck, but felt I knew him through our correspondence over the years.

He was always polite, friendly and helpful.

I agree - very sad news.

Dave North


Re: P2K Pilot

David North
 

Someone on this list was asking a few weeks ago about gluing a P2K pilot. Here is your chance to get a replacement:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parts-diesel-engine-pilots-and-fans-/371623175160?hash=item568677a3f8:g:vaAAAOSwgApW~zLU
Mark Rossiter

 

That was me, Mark.

Thanks very much for the post.

Cheers

Dave North


Re: Chuck Yungkurth

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
Chuck's drawings were some of the first I remember seeing when I entered the hobby - his drawings were what got me to understand that one could actually use them to build a model of a real car - an endeavor beyond simply repainting a plastic car into a new paint scheme.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:35 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Chuck Yungkurth

We've lost another icon. Chuck passed away last Saturday. Here are the details from his daughter:


"I’m very sorry to be writing this, but my father Chuck Yungkurth passed away on Saturday.He'd been losing weight and generally not thriving for a couple months. Between him being ultra-stoic and me traveling a lot in March, his fairly dire situation didn't become apparent to any of us until he was sent to the ER the week after Easter, after collapsing at home. Before I could really get to the bottom of what his problem was his health had declined so fast that the last time he went to the ER (last Monday) the doctor said he wouldn't survive heroic measures. We are all still in shock from this past week.He went into hospice on Wednesday and passed away on Saturday after I'm glad to say were peaceful last days with all his kids and the eldest grandkids having been with him.If you could spread the word along to friends/colleagues you might know in the railroad community we'd appreciate that. We're going to have a memorial gathering here in Colorado (hopefully at the Colorado RR Museum where he worked as a volunteer in their research library) in a month or two and I'll let you know the details.Best regards,
Karen Y. Gerhardt"


I hadn't seen Chuck in recent weeks but knew he was quite frail. He was about 86 IIRC.


Tom Madden


Re: Chuck Yungkurth

Dennis Storzek
 

I'll have to say, Chuck Yunkurth had a lot of influence on my early modeling. I still remember reading, absorbing really, his Belafonte & Snowshoe article in MR... it was, I think, the first time I realized that yes, a model railroad could really be based on a prototype, which was sort of a revelation.

Fast forward twenty five years, and I'm at one of the model railroad shows manning the Accurate Finishing booth (Accurail's direct predecessor), which was running a little automated back and forth layout based on Chuck's Gum Stump & Snowshoe trackplan from years before, and who should walk in the booth but Chuck. Somehow I had always associated his name with the long passed greats; Eric La Nal, Paul Larson - I had never expected to meet the man.

That began a long and fruitful association. We spent a lot of time mining paint schemes out of the Rail Data Service photo collection, and occasionally discussed other prototype and modeling issues. I remember a discussion, maybe on the old Freightcars list where Chuck was inquiring what sort of drawings would have been used to actually manufacture a Dreadnaught style end, since as a trained engineer, he knew full well that what was shown in the general arrangement drawings was not really sufficient. I remember relating the work I had gone through to survey the shape of an end out at the railway museum. It wasn't too much later I received a package in the mail; Chuck had moved to Colorado, and become active in the Colorado Railroad Museum library, where he had run into Dreadnaught end drawings from the D&RGW, and was nice enough to send them out for copies. This must have been a good fifteen years ago, and just before the wealth of drawings we now have became available.

I have missed his insight during discussions in recent years. May he rest in peace.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Ambroid box car stick kit

Benjamin Hom
 

Paul Krueger wrote:
"The 'stick' car I saw on eBay looks like a PRR X23.
252383149933"

That's exactly what it is, complete with the Harold W. Russell drawing (incorrectly showing a wood door) from the April 1971 issue of Model Railroader.


Ben Hom


Re: Ambroid box car stick kit

Paul Krueger
 

The "stick" car I saw on eBay looks like a PRR X23.

252383149933

Paul

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA


Re: Chuck Yungkurth

Bill Welch
 

Chuck was a very generous man. He helped with Blueprints for my D&RGW 50-foot DS car and at one time was "Rail Data Services" selling photos of freight cars. I regret never having the opportunity to meet him in person. My condolences to his family and friends.

Bill Welch


Re: Chuck Yungkurth

Tony Thompson
 

       Chuck's passing is a real loss. He was a great help to me in the doing the PFE book, and encouraged me to stick with it. And of course his great reservoir of photos (when he still had them himself) was an asset to many of us. He was a good draftsman and did a great many published drawings, all of which (AFAIK) are accurate, unlike some other model draftsmen we might mention. I will miss the knowledge that I could consult Chuck about a prototype matter -- he was invariably helpful. 

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Re: Broadway Limited stock cars with hog sounds

Bruce Smith
 

Nelson,

It was part of a nefarious plot by a cabal of SPFs to prove the late Richard Hendrickson wrong when he said something along the lines of “The PRR K7a will never be mass produced”.  And, we were successful ;)

In reality, it was because BLI saw a market opportunity, one of their principle advisors is a PRR fan, and eastern roads haul stock too...

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."



On May 10, 2016, at 11:35 AM, STMFC@... wrote:

Denny,



I had the opportunity to see and hear a UP stock train of upwards of sixty cars with a BLI sound car placed every fourth or fifth car in the consist on the layout at the Colorado Model Railroad Museum in Greeley, CO. The effect was about as authentic as you will ever hear on a model railroad, and I can asset emphatically that the train was anything but ‘toy’ like.



The problem I have with the BLI cars is that they are modeled from a PRR prototype, and I model CB&Q, whose cars are not even close in appearance. I inquired of BLI as to why an Eastern road stock car, and they did not respond.



Nelson P. Moyer, PH.D.


Re: Chuck Yungkurth

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

A sad loss R.I.P.
Paul Doggett UK




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"pullmanboss@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

We've lost another icon. Chuck passed away last Saturday. Here are the details from his daughter:


"I’m very sorry to be writing this, but my father Chuck Yungkurth passed away on Saturday.He'd been losing weight and generally not thriving for a couple months. Between him being ultra-stoic and me traveling a lot in March, his fairly dire situation didn't become apparent to any of us until he was sent to the ER the week after Easter, after collapsing at home. Before I could really get to the bottom of what his problem was his health had declined so fast that the last time he went to the ER (last Monday) the doctor said he wouldn't survive heroic measures. We are all still in shock from this past week.He went into hospice on Wednesday and passed away on Saturday after I'm glad to say were peaceful last days with all his kids and the eldest grandkids having been with him.If you could spread the word along to friends/colleagues you might know in the railroad community we'd appreciate that. We're going to have a memorial gathering here in Colorado (hopefully at the Colorado RR Museum where he worked as a volunteer in their research library) in a month or two and I'll let you know the details.Best regards,
Karen Y. Gerhardt"


I hadn't seen Chuck in recent weeks but knew he was quite frail. He was about 86 IIRC.


Tom Madden


Re: Broadway Limited stock cars with hog sounds

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I neglected to state that the UP stock cars were carrying bawling cattle, and you could hear the thuds of bodies slamming against the sides in addition to the unfortunate animal’s laments.



Nelson Moyer



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Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:19 AM
To: Era Freight Car List Steam <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Broadway Limited stock cars with hog sounds





Having grown up around cattle, hogs, and their transport in passing stock cars, I can assure you that whatever noises that they might have been making were absolutely lost in just the ambient noises of the train itself. I personally once ‘assisted’ (hah!) loading hogs into a Milwaukee stock car in Fonda, IA, and although things were not quiet certainly, the squealing was pretty minor, low grunting prevailing, and nothing memorable.

Now, the squealing of hogs on the line about to be slaughtered is something else altogether, something I also can also bear personal testimony.

Selling models with livestock noises has to aiming at the more imaginative ‘toy’ side of our hobby.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864


Re: Broadway Limited stock cars with hog sounds

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Denny,



I had the opportunity to see and hear a UP stock train of upwards of sixty cars with a BLI sound car placed every fourth or fifth car in the consist on the layout at the Colorado Model Railroad Museum in Greeley, CO. The effect was about as authentic as you will ever hear on a model railroad, and I can asset emphatically that the train was anything but ‘toy’ like.



The problem I have with the BLI cars is that they are modeled from a PRR prototype, and I model CB&Q, whose cars are not even close in appearance. I inquired of BLI as to why an Eastern road stock car, and they did not respond.



Nelson P. Moyer, PH.D.

Iowa City, IA 52246



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:19 AM
To: Era Freight Car List Steam <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Broadway Limited stock cars with hog sounds





Having grown up around cattle, hogs, and their transport in passing stock cars, I can assure you that whatever noises that they might have been making were absolutely lost in just the ambient noises of the train itself. I personally once ‘assisted’ (hah!) loading hogs into a Milwaukee stock car in Fonda, IA, and although things were not quiet certainly, the squealing was pretty minor, low grunting prevailing, and nothing memorable.

Now, the squealing of hogs on the line about to be slaughtered is something else altogether, something I also can also bear personal testimony.

Selling models with livestock noises has to aiming at the more imaginative ‘toy’ side of our hobby.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento, CA 95864





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