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Re: Bowser box cars

Rich C
 

More than likely foobies done by English on their round roof X31 types, by the looks of the drawing.

Rich Christie


On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:40 PM, "John Barry northbaylines@... [STMFC]" wrote:


 
Tim,

ModelTrainStuff has photos of at least several of those Bowser models.  I cann't answer to the prototype.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bowser box cars

 

Has anyone ever seen an actual model car? All I've been able to find
are these artist drawings. What prototype is represented by the Bowser
model?

http://www.bowser-trains.com/history/40foothistory.html

Tim O'Connor






Re: Bowser box cars

Dennis Storzek
 




---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote :
I haven't seen specific models from this run, but this model has been lurking around the Bowser catalog for the last 15-20 years or so in the guise of base model "canvas" for custom-decorated cars in their English Model Railroad Supply line.  During the late 1990s (I'll eventually go back to magazine ads to pinpoint a better date), Bowser used their Class X31A single door boxcar tooling as the basis for a "generic" 40 ft boxcar, creating a model with a Murphy rectangular panel roof with 4/5 Dreadnaught ends but with the side rivet patterns of the Class X31A single door car, all the way down to the unique 5 panels to the left of the door/4 panels to the right of the door. Speculation at the time was that English wanted to insource model production for their custom decorated line vice buying models from Athearn.
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That's my recollection of conversations with Lee English... also that the "English Model Railroad Supply" branding was intended to allow the Bowser name to remain "pure" as far as prototype modeling was concerned.

Dennis Storzek


Lackawanna Hampton yard 1910

Eric Hansmann
 

I love that new yard smell!

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-15-16/B0595.jpg

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 


Re: Bowser box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Has anyone ever seen an actual model car? All I've been able to find
are these artist drawings. What prototype is represented by the Bowser
model?"
http://www.bowser-trains.com/history/40foothistory.html

I haven't seen specific models from this run, but this model has been lurking around the Bowser catalog for the last 15-20 years or so in the guise of base model "canvas" for custom-decorated cars in their English Model Railroad Supply line.  During the late 1990s (I'll eventually go back to magazine ads to pinpoint a better date), Bowser used their Class X31A single door boxcar tooling as the basis for a "generic" 40 ft boxcar, creating a model with a Murphy rectangular panel roof with 4/5 Dreadnaught ends but with the side rivet patterns of the Class X31A single door car, all the way down to the unique 5 panels to the left of the door/4 panels to the right of the door. Speculation at the time was that English wanted to insource model production for their custom decorated line vice buying models from Athearn.

I've got one of these models, but haven't discovered any prototype for it yet as the combination of features is unusual.  I vaguely remember a discussion on these cars ca. late 1990s on this list or the old FCL, but haven't searched either archive yet.


Ben Hom  


Re: Bowser box cars

John Barry
 

Tim,

ModelTrainStuff has photos of at least several of those Bowser models.  I cann't answer to the prototype.
 
John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736



From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]"
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bowser box cars

 

Has anyone ever seen an actual model car? All I've been able to find
are these artist drawings. What prototype is represented by the Bowser
model?

http://www.bowser-trains.com/history/40foothistory.html

Tim O'Connor




Bowser box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Has anyone ever seen an actual model car? All I've been able to find
are these artist drawings. What prototype is represented by the Bowser
model?

http://www.bowser-trains.com/history/40foothistory.html

Tim O'Connor


Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

Douglas Harding
 

Opps my most recent post should read “28 Hour feed and rest Law”.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

Douglas Harding
 

Clause that DL&W workcar reminds me of early stockcars that had similar (though smaller) roof mounted boxes. In an attempt for humane shipping of livestock, the boxes were used to contain hay and grain used to feed animals in the days before the 1906 24 hrs feed and rest law was implemented. The roof top of the DL&W car looks to have a series of boxes with hinged covers. The boxes may have been used to hold tools or supplies used by the work crews.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

Eric Hansmann
 

---In STMFC@..., Don Valentine wrote :

 

.    It is not just the gondolas that I find interesting, Eric. Look at the DL&W

twin hoppers with the alternating channel ribs on their sides AND a rather

different exterior brace for the slope sheet. Can't say that I'd ever seen the

latter feature before as it is something that would have been remembered 

if I had. Neat photos all. Thanks for posting their URL's.

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

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Here’s a link where three hopper designs can be seen. These show up in the other links posted yesterday.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0592.jpg

 

 

Don, the steel hopper with the alternating channel ribs and exterior slope sheet brace was an early favorite among eastern railroads. Westerfield has offered these as HO scale resin kits for awhile. As per the details on the Westerfield website, the design came along in 1903 through the Standard Steel Car Company, with 13,000 installed by 1911. Many were modernized to comply with 1911 Safety Act amendments and the exterior slope sheet brace was removed for the corner ladder installation. Here’s the Westerfield link for their kit.

https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=104_406

 

In the link above, DL&W 73261 follows this SSCo hopper design. It’s on the left side of the image and sits beside another steel hopper.

 

That other steel hopper (DL&W 72178) looks like a design that Bob Karig dubbed as the 1905 Common Standard hopper. It has nine side stakes but none are the channel side stakes like those on the SSCo car.

 

It’s definitely an interesting era for freight car design development.

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

Eric Hansmann
 

Claus,

 

I was just reviewing this image for another response and zoomed in on that Work Car. The roof extension sure looks odd. It also seems like there are large hatches on the roof that are made of sheet metal.

 

As the Work Car is possibly from an early era of box cars, the interior height may have been pretty low. The roof may have been modified for easier access to work equipment. But who knows what the car was used for if those are access hatches on the roof.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 


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Hi List Members,

 

These images are indeed fascinating.

 

Note the "WORK CAR" with the roof extension behind steel twin hopper DL&W 72178 at the extreme right end of the photo - I wonder what the roof extension was about!

 

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 


Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi List Members,
 
These images are indeed fascinating.
 
Note the "WORK CAR" with the roof extension behind steel twin hopper DL&W 72178 at the extreme right end of the photo - I wonder what the roof extension was about!
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

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---In STMFC@..., wrote :

These historic Lackawanna photos are a real treasure.

 

In the main photo, it’s interesting to see the different gondolas and hoppers in the yard. Of the steel hoppers, I think two are similar to a design used on the NYC Lines.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0590.jpg

 

Here’s an image featuring a Michigan Central version of the hopper. It’s the one behind the gondola.

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/mcrr-6932.jpg

 

It’s also interesting to see a mill gondola pressed into coal or aggregate service. Look to the far right and in front of the passenger car in that first link.

 

 

The next image features more of a broadside view of several Lackawanna freight cars and shifted more to the right. I count six or seven gondola designs. Here’s the link.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-13-16/B0591.jpg

 

And no, I’m not counting the remains of a car in the ditch near the photo title.

 

 

One of the photos posted today features a different angle on this facility.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0593.jpg

 

And another from today has a nice variety of Lackawanna equipment.

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0592.jpg

 

 

Thanks, Schuyler!

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX

 

 

.    It is not just the gondolas that I find interesting, Eric. Look at the DL&W

twin hoppers with the alternating channel ribs on their sides AND a rather

different exterior brace for the slope sheet. Can't say that I'd ever seen the

latter feature before as it is something that would have been remembered 

if I had. Neat photos all. Thanks for posting their URL's.


Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 

 

 

 




 


 




Re: Distant freight car images from 1910

Matt Goodman
 

Impressive how much material was moved (cut and fill) to create that steam era freight car yard (http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-06-14-16/B0593.jpg).
 
Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio


On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 6:06 PM, "'Eric Hansmann' eric@... [STMFC]" wrote:




These historic Lackawanna photos are a real treasure.
 
In the main photo, it’s interesting to see the different gondolas and hoppers in the yard. Of the steel hoppers, I think two are similar to a design used on the NYC Lines.
 
Here’s an image featuring a Michigan Central version of the hopper. It’s the one behind the gondola.
 
It’s also interesting to see a mill gondola pressed into coal or aggregate service. Look to the far right and in front of the passenger car in that first link.
 
 
The next image features more of a broadside view of several Lackawanna freight cars and shifted more to the right. I count six or seven gondola designs. Here’s the link.
 
And no, I’m not counting the remains of a car in the ditch near the photo title.
 
 
One of the photos posted today features a different angle on this facility.
 
And another from today has a nice variety of Lackawanna equipment.
 
 
Thanks, Schuyler!
 
Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX
 
 
.
 
 
 
 
 

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plus “next image.”
 
Schuyler
 







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Re: S.P.L.A.&S.L 11536

Eric Lombard
 

Hello, Bob...
I have uploaded a text file compilation of the service history and a bibliography for  SPLA&SL 11000-11749 > LA&SL 11000-11749 > LA&SL 130000-130718. These are class B-50-1 cars built by ACF 1905. The file name is: SPLA&SL 11000-11749. 

Eric Lombard
Homewood, IL


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:26 PM, thecitrusbelt@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

In a museum display I came across an early 1900s photo of S.P.L.A.&S.L boxcar No. 11536. Can anyone tell me more about this car beyond its ownership by the  San Pedro, Los Angeles and Salt Lake Railroad?

 

Thank you.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Re: Pressed Steel Co. mill gondola ends

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Walt you can usually find them on ebay.
Paul Doggett UK




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I would like to replace the ends on a couple of GTW 51 '6" mill gondolas made withe the Tichy war emergency kit. Does anyone know of a source for these ends?  If necessary, the Walthers Gold Line URTX meat reefer end looks like it could be fodder for a kitbash. Any comments? TIA Walt


60 Days to St. Louis RPM 2016

golden1014
 

Friends,

The 10th Annual St. Louis RPM (Railroad Prototype Modeler) Meet is coming fast. The dates are Friday, August 12th and Saturday, August 13th, 2016 at the Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, IL. Collinsville is just a few miles east of metro St. Louis.

We host this meet for two reasons. First, we want to provide a great place to bring our friends and fellow modelers together for fellowship. In 2015 almost 400 modelers from around the world joined us, and this year we’re expanding again to meet your demands for more space. We now have 23,000 sq. ft. reserved in the modern, professional, air conditioned Gateway Convention Center and hope you can join us for a great modeler's party.

The second reason we host this meet is to showcase your models. We are modelers and our event is built for you. Last year, our attendees brought 2,000-3,000 models for display. We had 54 full eight-foot tables overflowing with models of all types, including locomotives, structures, critters, and everything in between, plus freights cars by the thousands. There are plenty of surprises too—last year a modeler brought an HO scale replica of the famous Eads Bridge that took up two tables by itself. We’ll have more tables for your models this year so bring everything and tell us all about them. Your models are the heart of our meet!

We have clinics lined up by notable modelers and historians including Jon Cagle, Gene Semon, Ted Culotta, Roger Hinman, George Eichelberger, Tony Cook, Mike Wise, Michael Petersen and Nathan Holmes, Ed Hawkins, Jeff Eggert, Nick Molo, David Vaughn, Jason Klocke, Dave Roeder and Tim Costello. All talking about the prototype and how to model it.

We have high-quality modular layouts at the meet, including Mike Skibbe’s magnificent Modutrak N Scale layout, Jim Canter’s Proto48 NKP traveling layout, Harold Storm’s Proto48 Whitewater Valley switching layout, The Galesburg Switch Job in N scale, and the Mudhen’s HOn3 layout. They’re not just here to look at—you can run trains on most of them. We also have home layout tours all set up on Friday night.

100 tables of hand-picked, top-quality vendors are attending too. We call it The St. Louis Scale Train Show. Southern Car and Foundry, Speedwitch, Abacus.87, ScaleTrains.com, Tangent Scale Models, Cannon, MOLOCO, Plano, ICG Custom Decals, Badger Airbrush, Protocraft, Rich Yoder Models, Q Connection, Spring Creek Model Trains, CRM Hobbies, Norris Hobbies, Motrak Models, Mood Dog Rail Cars, Prairie Railway Display, Iowa Scaled Engineering, Bethlehem Car Works, Bear Creek Hobbies, OST Publications, St. Louis Microtools, and a few more late-comers are coming with new merchandise. No swap-meet stuff. Photo dealers include Bob’s Photos, OST Publications, Jim Shaw Photos, Mainline Photos and Ed Stoll Photos.

19 Railroad Historical Societies are coming too. Yep, 19: The Southern Rwy, New York Central, B&O, Pennsylvania, Wabash, Missouri Pacific, C&EI, Nickel Plate, Terminal RR Association, GM&O, ACL, Seaboard, Central of Georgia, Illinois Central, Milwaukee Road, GM&O, CB&Q, and C&NW will be present, along with the R&LHS and the Barriger National Railroad Library. All these societies and more will be on hand to aid your modeling and research.

For Historical Societies, we’re hosting the popular Railroad Historical Society meeting on Friday evening, once again run by the good folks from the MoPac HS. Space is limited. Contact kwlove126@gmail.com for more information.

We have hands-on clinics too. Bill Welch and Badger Airbrush will be hosting a large airbrush clinic, demonstrating how to spray acrylics using many different brands of airbrushes. Dave Schroedle of Protoweathering.com will offer hands-on weathering clinics all day, both days. Bring your own models or buy them at the meet to learn new finishing skills using chalks and weathering powders. Jeremey St. Peter and the guys from http://theweatheringshop.com/ will be on hand too, doing live weathering demonstrations and showing you how to weather like a pro.

All this and more for just 25 bucks.

What You Need To Know:

1. You can stay where you want. Our host hotel is the DoubleTree by Hilton next door to the Gateway Center. Call them at (866) 235-4657 for the RPM rate. Other hotel info is can be found on our website at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm.

2. No advance registration is necessary. Just show up and enjoy!

3. Bring your models!

4. Along with the evening home layout tours, we’ve got a bunch of after-hours social events, slide shows, and more set up on Thursday and Friday night. Several of them will be hosted at the DoubleTree. Get more info at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm.

Contact John Golden at Golden1014@yahoo.com or Lonnie Bathurst at bathurst@litchfieldil.com (217) 556-0314 for meet info. Get more details at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htm.

Check out our 2015 official event photos at https://www.flickr.com/photos/35369592@N06/albums/72157656596137919

See you in St. Louis!

Signed,
Dave Roeder
Lonnie Bathurst
Dan Kohlberg
John Golden


Pressed Steel Co. mill gondola ends

Walter Cox
 

I would like to replace the ends on a couple of GTW 51 '6" mill gondolas made withe the Tichy war emergency kit. Does anyone know of a source for these ends?  If necessary, the Walthers Gold Line URTX meat reefer end looks like it could be fodder for a kitbash. Any comments? TIA Walt


PRR 2D-T4 Dolphin Tender Trucks

mark_landgraf
 

Hi

I have a project in 1½ scale that requires these trucks. I am looking for drawings that would assist me in making the patterns for casting.  If anyone can provide these drawings, or scans of drawings, please contact me off list at:  mark_landgraf at yahoo dot com

Thanks
Mark



Re: Seeking Proper Brake Wheel Information

Rob Adams
 

Bill;

The FW&D series 8251-8500 box cars had Ajax power hand brakes.� You may already know this, but these particular cars also ran on National Type B trucks.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams

Wellman, IA


On 6/14/16 9:06 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE PARDIEW001@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Can anyone tell me what is the proper power handbrake for a FW&D 40' boxcar in the 8350 series build date 1944.

Thank you in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie

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Re: Update from Speedwitch —Ba chmann gon decals?

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Bill,

The Bachmann car IS only a few years old.

I think the confusion about the ends may lie with Richard Hendrickson's notes.

Car 14506 shown in Tony's photograph is the Bachmann car and the ends are not Accurail or Detail Associates, but the Bachmann ends that originally came with the car. They are both removeable and molded on both sides. They are so faithful to the original I strongly doubt Richard would have replaced them.

Here are some pictures from Fallen Flags showing the original.




The Bachmann car is nicely done, but not at a level justifying the ridiculous list price. A browse around the net should fine some the low $20 range, a much more reasonable price.

Dick


On Jun 14, 2016, at 8:34 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

I thought the Bachmann car was fairly new, last 3-4 years. How long has it been around?


Bill Welch

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