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Re: Greenville kitbashed 52' gondolas

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Andy and friends,

I have one of your WP cars in my collection, but can't exactly figure out how to use it since I don't model the WP mainline or the USS Pittsburg (correct, no "h") works on the SN. It is a neat little car, and you saved me from hacking up a Proto 2000 gon. :~) I made coil racks for it, and loaded it with coils.

For those of you who would like to see photos of these unique cars, go here: http://www.wplives.com/archives/freight/gondolas/index.html . Cars 6457 and 6462 show how they looked after their first repainting circa 1960. Cars 4403 and 4414 represent the cars as they looked near the end of their lives. The UP kept the 25 cars in the renumbered 44XX series for a few years, mostly as MW cars, and one was donated to the Feather River Railroad Musem: http://www.wplives.org/collectionpageimages/freightcarimages/gondolas/wp6424.jpg . This is how they looked when delivered, complete with the roller freight herald. And yes, they were originally delivered with roller bearing trucks. They also seemed to have had drop ends, but on the cars I examined in the 1970s, the ends were secured upright by a stout steel strap bolted to the bulb angle at each corner.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 7/8/16 10:48 AM, Andy Carlson midcentury@... [STMFC] wrote:
 
Years ago, long before P2K's Greenville 52' gondola was released, I made a resin kit pattern for a 1953 built WP 29' coil steel gondola by shortening the very similar (to the Greenville design) NSC (a Canadian co.) Despatch shops 52' gondola. The donor castings were done in some ABS, or other material, rather than the traditional polystyrene. The details, such as the ribs, were a bit more heavy than the later P2k's offering.

The WP car isn't a good choice for widespread use, as the cars were used for the 1st 2 decades in captive service from Utah's Geneva Steel Works to the finishing mill in Pittsburg (no 'H'), California; an all WP/Sacramento Northern run.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: That S&T DT&I gon project

 
Greg, Don, everyone:
I believe Pierre has gotten his hands on a full resin casting of this car done from cutting up a L-L Proto 2K styrene body. I am unsure who will be eventually offering these however.

Bill Welch



Re: The official announcement

Douglas Harding
 

Well that settles it. Guess I’m going to St Louis in August.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: Greenville kitbashed 52' gondolas

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Last April Bill Gilbert gave a very good presentation on the WP shorty gondolas at the Pacific Coast Region/Feather River Rail Society joint convention in Modesto, CA.


If anyone knows how to contact Bill you may be able to get some details on these rare cars. As Andy notes, these cars spent most of their time in captive service.


Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

The official announcement

Pierre Oliver
 

Good day all.

See my blog for the official new product announcement from Yarmouth Model Works

http://elgincarshops.blogspot.ca/2016/07/ready-for-st-louis.html


--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Re: That S&T DT&I gon project

Pierre Oliver
 

If I understand the process correctly, Frank is offering the proper sized body in resin. It can be had at RPM shows that Frank attends with Resin Car Works

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 7/08/16 10:21 AM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] wrote:

 

Greg, Don, everyone:

I believe Pierre has gotten his hands on a full resin casting of this car done from cutting up a L-L Proto 2K styrene body. I am unsure who will be eventually offering these however.

Bill Welch

Greenville kitbashed 52' gondolas

Andy Carlson
 

Years ago, long before P2K's Greenville 52' gondola was released, I made a resin kit pattern for a 1953 built WP 29' coil steel gondola by shortening the very similar (to the Greenville design) NSC (a Canadian co.) Despatch shops 52' gondola. The donor castings were done in some ABS, or other material, rather than the traditional polystyrene. The details, such as the ribs, were a bit more heavy than the later P2k's offering.

The WP car isn't a good choice for widespread use, as the cars were used for the 1st 2 decades in captive service from Utah's Geneva Steel Works to the finishing mill in Pittsburg (no 'H'), California; an all WP/Sacramento Northern run.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: "fgexbill@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: That S&T DT&I gon project

 
Greg, Don, everyone:
I believe Pierre has gotten his hands on a full resin casting of this car done from cutting up a L-L Proto 2K styrene body. I am unsure who will be eventually offering these however.

Bill Welch


Re: That S&T DT&I gon project

Bill Welch
 

Greg, Don, everyone:
I believe Pierre has gotten his hands on a full resin casting of this car done from cutting up a L-L Proto 2K styrene body. I am unsure who will be eventually offering these however.

Bill Welch

#4 of the 36-foot box car summaries

Eric Hansmann
 

The final prototype data sheet has been posted for the upcoming Accurail 36-foot box car models. Ray Breyer takes a look at the cars with straight steel center sills and wood ends for the 1800 series of models. These data sheets cover the introductory roadnames for the four versions Accurail will be producing. Check out the details on the DesignBuildOp blog.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/2016/07/08/prototype-data-sheets-4/



Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

Re: That S&T DT&I gon project

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello Greg,

   Thanks for your response. Your offer is certainly appreciated. From what you have written I gather the carbody must be a regularly available kit. The Life-Like car or some other? What do you suggest for a
decal source? The car frames are easy enough. I have some now while the rack can be built from
photos that Phil Hastings sent me years ago. The things one misses not being able to attend Cocoa.

   Thanks again for your help. Enjoy the Cascades.

My best, Don Valentine


---In STMFC@..., <tgregmrtn@...> wrote :

Don,
 
Ted made the masters for the drop ends, Tom Madden run the parts and I believe I have a few left. I am in the Cascade foothills below Mount Hood but I will check for  you by Sunday morning.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 7/7/2016 3:58:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Pierre & Greg,


    Are the DT&I gon castings still available somewhere???   I could use two
kits for these cars as they regularly traveled between Michigan and the Ford 
assembly plant in Somerville, Mass, via the CPR and B&M. Where might two
kits be found?

Thanks for any response, Don Valentine

Re: Ashley Drew & Northern flat car question

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Jim,

Maybe not that old, at least as far as the AD&N is concerned, unless it was renumbered. My 1958 ORER does not list a flat car with that numb er. At that time the AD&N owned 100-105, 41' 5" 50-ton cars 41 ' 5" over-all; 501-502, 40' 40-ton cars; and 601-605, 40' 5" 40-ton cars.

And by the way, my ORER says "Freight cars owned are not used in interchange service."

Could 810 be a post-period acquisition?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 7/7/16 6:01 PM, 'SMMW' jimking3@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

I have an image of AD&N flat car #810 and it closely matches an ancient
American Flyer flat car that can easily be updated to match the car. There
is no reference to any car in the 800-series on Fallen Flags or any other
web photo resource I've found.

The photo is dated 1968 but the car is obviously MUCH older. Does anyone
have info about this car, the series it is in or came from, and photos of
other similar cars?

Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com




Re: That S&T DT&I gon project

Greg Martin
 

Don,
 
Ted made the masters for the drop ends, Tom Madden run the parts and I believe I have a few left. I am in the Cascade foothills below Mount Hood but I will check for  you by Sunday morning.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 7/7/2016 3:58:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Pierre & Greg,


    Are the DT&I gon castings still available somewhere???   I could use two
kits for these cars as they regularly traveled between Michigan and the Ford 
assembly plant in Somerville, Mass, via the CPR and B&M. Where might two
kits be found?

Thanks for any response, Don Valentine

Re: Ashley Drew & Northern flat car question

mopacfirst
 

I replied to this several hours ago, but my reply seems to have gone to la-la land.

Could this be a MoPac car?  The 13 stake pockets, the location of the tackboard and the fact that the car class FM is stenciled at the far right end of the side (even though this car is completely repainted) all look like this class of car, which was originally MP 8600-9199.

I wrote an article on bashing this car in HO from an RC model for the MPHS Eagle, several years ago.  Wasn't much of a bash, just re-spacing the stake pockets using the extras included in the kit.

Ron Merrick

correct trucks for an Exactrail NP flat

spsalso
 

I remember reading that the trucks under one version of Exactrail's NP flats were incorrect.  And I cannot remember where or what.


Does anyone recall the information?



Thanks, Ed


Edward Sutorik

Ashley Drew & Northern flat car question

Jim King
 

I have an image of AD&N flat car #810 and it closely matches an ancient
American Flyer flat car that can easily be updated to match the car. There
is no reference to any car in the 800-series on Fallen Flags or any other
web photo resource I've found.



The photo is dated 1968 but the car is obviously MUCH older. Does anyone
have info about this car, the series it is in or came from, and photos of
other similar cars?



Jim King

(828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

Need a train crew member for the Alma branch

Jared Harper
 

I need one operator for my Saturday, July 16, operating session on Santa Fe's Alma branch.  Lunch will be at noon after which we will retire to the basement to run trains 95/96 for a few hours.  

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
706-543-8821

Re: That S&T DT&I gon project

Donald B. Valentine
 

Pierre & Greg,

    Are the DT&I gon castings still available somewhere???   I could use two
kits for these cars as they regularly traveled between Michigan and the Ford 
assembly plant in Somerville, Mass, via the CPR and B&M. Where might two
kits be found?

Thanks for any response, Don Valentine

Re: That S&T DT&I gon project: Also GM&O

Greg Martin
 

Bill,

I have one photo that we did not present at CCB that we used for the decals in the set that Jim Singer had made that Garth had provided us with, perhaps he will share privately,:however, the GM&O cars were late arrivals and long past the era of this list.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 7/6/2016 11:42:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Am I correct that the GM&O also had gons like this. If I am correct, does anyone know of a source for photos?


GM&O is sort of an Honorary "Ya'll Road" like IC and T&NO in my universe.

Thank you!
Bill Welch

Re: That S&T DT&I gon project

Greg Martin
 

Pierre Oliver writes:
 
>Morning all,
Thanks to Ted Culotta, I now have the required decals.
And thanks to Frank Hodina and Tom Madden, I now have the body castings.
Thanks you guys!
Now for the gory detail;
What trucks?
Thanks

--
Pierre Oliver<
 
 
If we are talking about the DT&I 40-foot gondola we presented at CCB the proper trucks are listed in the handout from the presentation and were donated by Brian Lippert. Are you a member Pierre?
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

Re: That S&T DT&I gon project: Also GM&O

Bill Welch
 

Answering my own question with help, LOL

A couple of people contacted me offline and the answer is "Yes" but no real joy for me as the gons were ex-DT&I that did not go to the GM&O until 1968, well after my date. Darn!

Good news for people like Tim O'Conner however in that there are decals available from Dan Kohlberg:
ICG-77 Gulf Mobile & Ohio 42' Gondola 1968+

Bill Welch



Re: That S&T DT&I gon project: Also GM&O

Bill Welch
 

Am I correct that the GM&O also had gons like this. If I am correct, does anyone know of a source for photos?

GM&O is sort of an Honorary "Ya'll Road" like IC and T&NO in my universe.

Thank you!
Bill Welch