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Anyone know the railroad that owns the flat car? Is it CT&SE?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,

Anyone know the railroad that owns the flat car? Is it CT&SE?

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth207477/m1/1/

Claus Schlund


Re: Smaller Files

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Wow! That’s a bewildering array of files to choose from. Looking at sets, I don’t know where to start in terms of degree of coarseness or fineness. What works best for dressing plastic and resin? What works best for removing material? Maybe Jack will share with us the files he uses most for various purposes.



Nelson Moyer



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 6:26 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Smaller Files





There might be something of interest here.



http://www.ottofrei.com/Store/Files/



Regards, Chuck Peck (usually in FL but summering in Maine)



On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 6:28 PM, fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com <mailto:fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:



I would like to find a set of smaller foles than these if such tools are available. Can anyone tell me a source please?

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Thank you!

Bill Welch







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Re: Smaller Files

Charles Peck
 

There might be something of interest here.


Regards, Chuck Peck (usually in FL but summering in Maine)

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 6:28 PM, fgexbill@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I would like to find a set of smaller foles than these if such tools are available. Can anyone tell me a source please?

Small Files.JPG

Small Files.JPG
Shared with Dropbox
Preview by Yahoo

Thank you!

Bill Welch



Smaller Files

Bill Welch
 

I would like to find a set of smaller foles than these if such tools are available. Can anyone tell me a source please?

Small Files.JPG

Thank you!

Bill Welch


Re: Playing it Forward: Help Needed w/Airbrushing Acrylics LIVE FIRE event at Collinsville RPM

Bill Welch
 

Just wanted to report that 4 very excellent modelers and painters have come forward to volunteer their help "Coaching" during the "Live Fire" painting opportunity so we are good to go forward.

Bill Welch


Re: GATC Tank Car Advice

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff wrote:

 
Tony,

O.K. So the two cars I have, single and twin, both had the small domes. Every other HO Thomas car I have seen, admittedly a small number since they are pretty old and rare now (they went out production when I was still playing with a Marx trainset), also had these puny domes. I guess I haven't seen them all yet, so I stand corrected.


    Ah, perhaps your domes are the very small (correctly so) domes for the 6-dome car. In that case, someone rooked you on the correct domes for one-dome or two-dome cars. They are right for a 6-dome car.
Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Re: GATC Tank Car Advice

Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Tony,

O.K. So the two cars I have, single and twin, both had the small domes. Every other HO Thomas car I have seen, admittedly a small number since they are pretty old and rare now (they went out production when I was still playing with a Marx trainset), also had these puny domes. I guess I haven't seen them all yet, so I stand corrected.

--G


On 7/27/16 2:24 PM, Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:
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Garth Groff wrote:

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You can spot a Thomas by its impossibly small expansion domes. These were fine for the twins, but they used the same dome on their singles. I replaced the single dome on mine with a zamak casting of unknown origin I had in my scrap box for years.�

� � � I don't know what Thomas kit you have, Garth, to reach this conclusion about the dome. But I have looked at the 10,000-gallon Magnolia car I have as a Thomas kit. Its cast metal dome is 57 scale inches in diameter and 24 inches high at the smallest height. It is easy to compute the gallonage of such a dome, as I showed in a blog post awhile back (see below for link). This dome size would contain 272 gallons, while a 10,000-gallon tank was required to have and expansion dome of at least 2 percent of the tank volume. I leave it to the reader to compute what is 2 percent of 10,000.


My Thomas tank car, Garth, does NOT have an "impossibly small" dome, but in fact an entirely correct one.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705�� � � ��www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Hand brake nomenclature

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:38 AM, genegreen1942@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 

I was asked off-list if I had published anything on hand brakes or if I could.


The clinic book from the NMRA convention in San Jose in 2000 contains a synopsis of my clinic given there.
The article includes drawings of 15 forged (stamped) hand wheels that are mostly quite similar to one another, drawings of 15 malleable (cast) hand wheels all widely different from one another, drawings of at least 45 different hand brakes plus a couple of bell crank drawings.

Richard Bale did a nice article in a recent MRH which included photos.  A photo is worth a 1000 words, you know.

My original plan was a book on hand brakes covering the entire 20th century.  I got sick in 2004 and have never fully recovered.  I don't get much done these days except to prevent my recliner from floating to the ceiling.

Gene Green

Excessively verbose as usual.





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Jeff Shultz
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Re: Hand brake nomenclature

genegreen1942@...
 

I was asked off-list if I had published anything on hand brakes or if I could.

The clinic book from the NMRA convention in San Jose in 2000 contains a synopsis of my clinic given there.
The article includes drawings of 15 forged (stamped) hand wheels that are mostly quite similar to one another, drawings of 15 malleable (cast) hand wheels all widely different from one another, drawings of at least 45 different hand brakes plus a couple of bell crank drawings.

Richard Bale did a nice article in a recent MRH which included photos.  A photo is worth a 1000 words, you know.

My original plan was a book on hand brakes covering the entire 20th century.  I got sick in 2004 and have never fully recovered.  I don't get much done these days except to prevent my recliner from floating to the ceiling.

Gene Green

Excessively verbose as usual.



Re: GATC Tank Car Advice

Tony Thompson
 

Garth Groff wrote:

 
You can spot a Thomas by its impossibly small expansion domes. These were fine for the twins, but they used the same dome on their singles. I replaced the single dome on mine with a zamak casting of unknown origin I had in my scrap box for years. 

      I don't know what Thomas kit you have, Garth, to reach this conclusion about the dome. But I have looked at the 10,000-gallon Magnolia car I have as a Thomas kit. Its cast metal dome is 57 scale inches in diameter and 24 inches high at the smallest height. It is easy to compute the gallonage of such a dome, as I showed in a blog post awhile back (see below for link). This dome size would contain 272 gallons, while a 10,000-gallon tank was required to have and expansion dome of at least 2 percent of the tank volume. I leave it to the reader to compute what is 2 percent of 10,000.


My Thomas tank car, Garth, does NOT have an "impossibly small" dome, but in fact an entirely correct one.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






Hand brake nomenclature

genegreen1942@...
 

The terminology can and, I argue, should be simple.


Speaking for the moment about vertical wheel hand brakes only, I suspect that for most of us the brake wheel or hand wheel is the most prominent part of the hand brake and, before the mid-1950s, was a distinctive design for each different manufacturer, so we end up with modeler terms like "brake wheel housing" and "brake wheel assembly."  It need not be so complicated.


The "housing" or "assembly" is a hand brake.  The manufacturer typically supplied the hand brake, the brake wheel and the bell crank, if one was used.*  The chain that dangles out of the bottom of the hand brake was part of the hand brake and supplied by the hand brake manufacturer.  The rod between that chain and the bell crank was supplied by the car builder.


To the hand brake manufacturer and car builder the whole thing is called a "hand brake set."  I've been in the factory (of just one hand brake manufacturer) and watched the hand brakes being assembled.  The product being produced was a hand brake and included the brake wheel.


Some folks say "brake wheel" when I suspect they may mean "hand brake."  I'm never sure.  Are there those who would be satisfied with the correct brake wheel attached to any lump of plastic representing the hand brake?  I hope not.  Unfortunately some HO scale hand brakes approach "lump of plastic." 


Bottom line, we can use the terms "brake wheel" or "hand wheel" and "hand brake."  But just as some cling to "roof walk" instead of "running board" I fear . . .  Well, old habits die hard.


*In some instances the vertical motion of the hand brake was changed to horizontal motion by a sheave wheel, not supplied by the hand brake manufacturer, instead of a bell crank.


Gene Green

Excessively verbose as usual.



Re: Kadee Brake Wheel w/Brake Housings (or Brake Wheel Assembly)

Bill Welch
 

I spoke to Sam Clark yesterday to get the scoop on these un-cataloged parts—for $3.00 we get this assembly and the retainer valve and piping. I am planning to order three each of the five steam era BW assemblies in BCR and see how it goes. Sam said to throw in a few bucks for postage.

Bill Welch


DLW 98874 Builders Photo (ACF)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Here is a link to a builders photo of a 1927 DL&W Box car built by American
Car & Foundry. Part of the ACF photo collection posted on the John Barriger
LIbrary's Flickr page.

https://flic.kr/p/DtqZpB

Schuyler


Re: Kadee Brake Wheel w/Brake Housings (or Brake Wheel Assembly)

Greg Martin
 

Bill,
 
We covered this when we did the SP B-40-12A as Sam Clark did several donations for that project and one was the brake wheel housing. If I am not mistaken and memory serves me right there is a peg in the center of the housing... the housing is 18-inches centerline of the car to centerline of the housing, not that hard to figure.  I can't remember the drill size, but I believe it is in my notes and I simply drilled it tight and forced the square peg in the round hole... 3^)  It is a most beautiful piece...
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
 

In a message dated 7/25/2016 4:35:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, STMFC@... writes:
 

Although they don't seem to be officially "Cataloged" I do know that what I will call "the Brake Wheel Assembly" is available from Kadee. I discovered this part when I opened my Tennessee Central steel boxcar kit then offered by Smokey Mountain a few years ago. A modeling friend recently confirmed this to me, saying he had gotten some of the "assemblies" from Sam Clark at Kadee. 


This "Brake Wheel Assembly" includes the brake wheel, the housing, chain, rod, etc. The "assembly" comes assembled. The problem is how to mount this assembly: The main mounting peg on the back of the Housing is square. My memory is there was at least one mounting peg on the rod. In theory the Square mounting peg could be pressed into a round hole and as long as this fit was snug, perhaps adhesive would not be necessary. I probably thought about this at the time but I could not figure out how to calculate where on the boxcar car end to drill the necessary hole. These are great parts but ultimately I think a template or jig is necessary if they are going to really be useful.


Alternatively perhaps the front of the housing could be drilled through and "wire rivets" used to secure it to whatever surface required.


I hope the engineers/designers on this list can look at this very fine item from Kadee and figure out a solution that will make it easier and more practical to use.


Bill Welch


Re: 1911 wooden side dump cars

Ray Breyer
 

THey ARE narrow gauge cars. This is pre-truck heavy construction on a rich railroad: the cars and engines to lug them (mostly 0-4-0Ts) are 3' and sometimes 2' gauge cars from various construction contractors. The DL&W files are littered with photos of their equipment.

As soon as halfway decent trucks like Macks came around in the 1920s, all of these small, temporary construction 'railroads' went away.
 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



From: "Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC]"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1911 wooden side dump cars



The steam shovel appears to be similar to the Bucyrus 95-ton models that were the main digging machine for the construction of the Panama Canal  from 1904 to 1914. I wonder if there is a model available of this steam shovel? 

Also, it appears that the dirt cars are narrow gauge equipment. At least to my untrained and getting older eyes.

Thanks for sharing a very interesting photo.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Jul 25, 2016, at 9:15 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


And the steam shovel to fill them.
 
 
 
Schuyler
 







Re: 1911 wooden side dump cars

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Eric,

Thanks for the link. Not only did I find the Marion shovel but quite a few other models that will be must have items for detailing the layout. 

Cheers & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Jul 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Eric Hansmann eric@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


Rio Grande Models has a very nice Marion shovel available. Its the eleventh image down on this webpage. 


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jul 26, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

The steam shovel appears to be similar to the Bucyrus 95-ton models that were the main digging machine for the construction of the Panama Canal  from 1904 to 1914. I wonder if there is a model available of this steam shovel? 

Also, it appears that the dirt cars are narrow gauge equipment. At least to my untrained and getting older eyes.

Thanks for sharing a very interesting photo.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Jul 25, 2016, at 9:15 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


And the steam shovel to fill them.

 

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-25-16/B0747.jpg

 

Schuyler

 






Re: 1911 wooden side dump cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Rio Grande Models has a very nice Marion shovel available. Its the eleventh image down on this webpage. 


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

On Jul 26, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Bill Keene wakeene@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

The steam shovel appears to be similar to the Bucyrus 95-ton models that were the main digging machine for the construction of the Panama Canal  from 1904 to 1914. I wonder if there is a model available of this steam shovel? 

Also, it appears that the dirt cars are narrow gauge equipment. At least to my untrained and getting older eyes.

Thanks for sharing a very interesting photo.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Jul 25, 2016, at 9:15 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


And the steam shovel to fill them.

 

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-25-16/B0747.jpg

 

Schuyler

 




Re: 1911 wooden side dump cars

Bill Keene <wakeene@...>
 

The steam shovel appears to be similar to the Bucyrus 95-ton models that were the main digging machine for the construction of the Panama Canal  from 1904 to 1914. I wonder if there is a model available of this steam shovel? 

Also, it appears that the dirt cars are narrow gauge equipment. At least to my untrained and getting older eyes.

Thanks for sharing a very interesting photo.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Jul 25, 2016, at 9:15 PM, 'Schuyler Larrabee' schuyler.larrabee@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:


And the steam shovel to fill them.

 

 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-07-25-16/B0747.jpg

 

Schuyler

 




Playing it Forward: Help Needed w/Airbrushing Acrylics LIVE FIRE event at Collinsville RPM

Bill Welch
 

As with the Airbrushing Acrylics LIVE FIRE event at the Coco Beach RPM in January, a similar opportunity will be available at the St. Louis/Collinsville RPM August 13 after lunch. Each painter will have a Coach to help them be comfortable painting with Acrylics. At the moment I have three people committed to coaching painters which means I need one more person to help with this event. This is a great way to give back to our hobby by helping other people improve their comfort and skills. This is a 2.5 hour commitment of time.


If you are a confident airbrusher and think you would like to help as a Coach or have questions about helping please contact me at fgexbill(at)tampabay.rr.com


Thank you!

Bill Welch


Drawing RDG Class GMJ on eBay

rwitt_2000
 

Another blueprint on eBay

product name Title

reading railroad GMJ gondola car larg...

Price: $7.00

Bob Witt


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